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Side note, is there there a good open source alternative to Discord in terms of it’s exact functionality? (And I don’t mean as a forum alternative, but voice comms and streaming). After their app update, I’m kind of annoyed with them. Yet, my community is rather dependent on them despite their enshittification.
We got sucked in because you could simply link it to randos on MMOs and if they didn’t want to download an app, could still have voice comms in browser. Before that, we had ventrillo, mumble, etc, but nothing was quite as easy access for randos. But man, they kind of suck lately so… hrm. :/
There’s Revolt.chat
Rocket.Chat and Matrix come to mind. The latter’s element client (the default) even looks extremely Discord-ish.
Discord is the antithesis to free web. Stop using it. I won’t join any community using discord.
Oh yeah, and fuck Nintendo
Could you (or someone) elaborate on that first point there?
It’s a closed ecosystem. What else is there to say?
CompareContrast with IRC, Matrix or XMPP.So, it’s the lack of admin rights? Inability to decide your own sitewide TOS, lack of privacy from Discord admins, possibility of getting shut down, that’s what they meant?
(I’m not familiar with those other platforms)
None of those details really matter.
What matters for the point of this argument is the simple fact that Discord is owned by the company Discord Inc.
That includes all of the servers and everything on them.
Imagine if ALL OF THE INTERNET was owned by Google …
So the worry is of a surveillance state?
More than that. They own the content and relationships and can use them in ways you cannot predict. LLMs gobble up human produced content because we entrusted it to corporations. What hit hardest for me was when Facebook published a study where they found they could influence users attitude by prioritizing certain posts in their feeds.
Imagine it. Corporations owning your relationships and using them to get a profit out of you
It’s a closed system owned by a single company. If you provide data or information there, the company owns the data, other people can’t find the data using search engines and they would need an account to access the data. Imagine the internet is owned by a single company and they could sell, change, censor, delete restrict access to or use the information in means you cannot predict.
I started using Discord because Skype was pissing me off. Now, Discord starts to piss me off with their bullshit. I’m just too tired to move to yet another platform that will start sucking once it’s grown bigger. I hate this “social media” focus on every little fucking thing. This stupid “we are building a community” garbage should die.
Maybe it’s time for me to burn everything down and go live in the woods. I don’t particularly resonate with people anyway.
You’ve touched on the cycle of enshittification. Step 1, everything is free and wonderful. Step 2: milk those customers for money.
The solution is to favor and support services which take capitalism out of the equation. It might cost a little bit, but I think a few small donations can go a long way.
Yea, I immediately stopped using it after the CEO’s horrifying speech at the “Protecting Children Online” hearing.
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There is also Jami, if you want to just chat with friends
Just learned about Revolt.chat. It looks to have great potential. It’s basically a Discord clone.
Personally I don’t trust it. Don’t really have any reason not to but it just feels eh to me. Just use matrix
I guess if you like matrix thats cool, but I did just do a quick google and it looks like their clients and server backend are all open source (AGPL-3) and self-hostable so I wouldn’t say there’s much to distrust.
Matrix is great at what it does, but it’s not a replacement for Discord imho.
Revolt is promising in that it’s trying to be a direct Discord clone, but it’s also being made by one person as a passion project, and it sounds like it’s their first time doing a project of this size. Last time I checked, encryption was not even implemented in it yet.
Matrix is distinctly different from Discord, but it’s certainly more mature and featurefull as well.
Couldn’t agree more. Revolt is still in it’s infancy, but it has great potential.
I just had a KDE/Gnome flashback from reading your comment.
What would it be called?
Datcord?
Email!
I know. It would be so fucking cool. Oh well.
Until ten years ago we used TeamSpeak for voice chat, IRC and forum for text. You can host all of them yourself. Today we have the fediverse and matrix. The problem is that kids get caught by the likes of tiktok and discord (because they are easily accessible with no other requirements than a phone or pc) and they can’t get away from them.
And we could call it… XMPP! Maybe that’s too nerdy… What about Jabber?
What exactly are you referring to? Matrix?
There’s also IRC
irc is booring and dated
(even though it’s much more robust than matrix and does not suffer from desyncs and stuff)
does not suffer from desyncs
Not entirely true. IRC can have network splits (I believe they were referred to as netsplits if I remember correctly) where one network can drop out. You can notice this when you see like 50+ people leave a channel at the exact same time because the network they were on disconnected, it’s kind of interesting imo lol but also I’m a nerd so maybe that’s why I find it interesting.
it’s not as big of an issue as on matrix.
stuff can desync and the server has to decide which state is canonical, dropping out some messages
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How is IRC decentralized?
Because everyone can spin up their own irc server. It’s not federated though.
Matrix is a better Discord.
Privacy-wise sure, but feature-wise it has some work to do.
Jabber is a better Matrix.
I liked Revolt.
Revolt is still a thing, though apparently they’re trying to rebuild voice chat
Discord is a shit, always was shit. Shitty platform, shitty (electron) apps.
If they REALLY want it to be like discord, why not use Revolt?
I don’t understand.
One that really ticked me off was that “the legend of zelda ocarina of time” pc build “ship of harkinian”.
I have never had such a tough time installing something. You have to do everything through their discord and it was a complete fucking mess.
Just use matrix. Revolt is just giving your data to someone else for no reason. Like you could technically self host it but it’s not federated like matrix
Been using Matrix (Element) for a while and it’s honestly fine apart from the fact that almost no one uses it (Lemmy devs are a rare exception).
While it has many features of Discord while still being easier than IRC and encrypted to boot, I’m assuming the reason most people won’t use it is because Discord is simply more convenient. After all, that is and has been their main selling point from the beginning, aside from voice chat for gaming, which isn’t really necessary for dev communities.
I mean using matrix or any chat service is giving your data to someone else. What’s the distrust with revolt?
Looking at their git repos it seems pretty above board: multiple open source clients by community members, APGL license, docker images and backend repo all pretty accessible in one place.
No hate on Matrix of course, but theres a few people who seem to have the ick for Revolt and I wonder if Ive missed something.
It’s not black and white like that. Giving information to two different clients is not equal. Just like signing up with Signal and Facebook is going to be drastically different. That being said, the issue work Revolt is it’s not federated and the protocol isn’t anywhere near as good as the matrix protocol. It’s not bad per se, just not as good.
Fair enough, the federation of platforms like lemmy is a good protection against legal trolls for sure.
I don’t know why, but I can’t sign up for revolt. They never sent me the verification. Now they just know 2 of my email addresses making me double fucked if a data leak ever happens.
It doesn’t work if you use iCloud or a custom domain with iCloud.
I ended up using Protonmail.
Get a custom domain with a catchall set up
I’ll reinforce my comment from months ago: I have the latest version of Yuzu, the keys, the firmware, the Linux and Windows versions, and links to ROM sites, and I’ll distribute them forever to whoever asks in my DMs. I packaged them in a simple .zip with easy to follow instructions.
That said, why simply not use Ryujinx? Even on the Steam Deck performance is very good nowadays. Super Mario Wonder plays at 60 FPS on the Deck (though you need to enable a very simple mod that disables some weird function the game runs, otherwise it drops to 30 FPS all the time). In fact, for AMD GPUs, you’re doing yourself a huge favor by going Ryujinx over Yuzu and derivatives.
Ryujinx is solid, accurate and well known, it’s a trusted emulator. The Yuzu forks are unknown, managed by non experienced people (one was quite literally created by a teenager with zero coding knowledge) and extremely ephemeral.
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You correct in the statement Ryujinx aims for accuracy and does not implement certain performance workarounds Yuzu did. However, your comment is exaggerated. Even Ryujinx isn’t a cycle accurate emulator, nowhere close.
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Hey, Kadu! It’s so good to see you again! I have been using the yuzu zip you sent me, and have been playing the hell out of some of my games. I just wanted to say thank you so freaking much, from the bottom of my heart! 🙏
Thanks for the very kind comment. Happy to hear you’re enjoying Yuzu :)
Ryujinx runs very poorly on older cpus like ryzen 3200G, I played ToTK fine on Yuzu, but on ryujinx the game becomes a slideshow, I also can’t get 60fps on Princess Peach with it.
Yeah Ryujinx is in C# Unity so it has its limits. They wrote Yuzu mostly in C++ so while it tended to be buggy it performed way better.
Ryujinx don’t works on android. So also not on the Odin 2 Pro as an example. that’s why (for me).
I’m still pretty solid with my Yuzu install so I’ve no need to move to Ryujinx for now, but assuming they avoid Ninty’s legal team I’ll likely pick up Ryujinx when I need a fresh steamOS install and/or Ryujinx surpasses Yuzu’s compatibility in a game I wanna play
Thank you for your good work.
Man fuck Nintendo at this point. WE ARE ALLOWED TO EMULATE, GET FUCKED
I dead ass downloaded and set up yuza the second I heard it was shutting down
I had the guide open on my laptop for so long but ADHD’d and never got it done lol
I hope Nintendo is able to make emulation illegal once and for all and end all this. People really shouldn’t be allowed to run whatever software they want, they should only be allowed to run Microsoft Windows and the fun games they include on the bonus disc
Think you forgot the /s
/s is for cowards! I will never!
They trust people’s intelligence
They really shouldn’t…
3D Pinball: Space Cadet for life.
You almost had me 🤣
You got me in the first half
What I hate most about this is how they now moved to Rocket Chat.
Come on people. Use a forum. Get the message, finally. Do it!
It’s so goddamn easy to set up a basic forum site for a few bucks a month, and it’s not like there aren’t hundreds of options for file sharing as well.
The Xbox and PSP modding forums were where I used to hang out before Reddit, a well-designed and run forum is so much better than trying to basically make a website out of a chat room.
I think most of those old forums are gone now.
I’m pretty sure most of people who mainly use discord as their main social apps probably never touched forum-based internet.
Hosting your own forum is also better as you (the owner of the site) can still retrieve the msgs as long as you still have the access to the host server (so you can back them up in case shutting down, then going to resurfacing later).
Not to mention using discord is already risking yourself because of their shitty policy.
What’s a safe way to host a site without anyone being able to track it to you?
try [email protected] as I’m not 100% on this stuff
but basically:
some third party hosts let you sign up anonymously with an anonymous email etc.
Only ever connect to the server host via VPN
Get a domain with anonymous WHOIS protection
Stick it all behind a reverse proxy
Technically Nintendo or whoever could demand your proxy/host to stop doing business with your account, but they won’t have enough personal info to go beyond that and you can just rehost it under new info.
How would you pay for the hosting without being exposed?
I’ll explain it in layman’s terms…
- There is always a price (inconvenience) for secure-ness in online world.
- There’s 2 option to host a forum,
- You can use service like forum hoster or rent a VPS (so you can setup your own server although not self-hosting).
- Self-host yourself (this one a bit tricky if you aren’t prepared).
- Learn some good basic OpSec habit (eg. Never use same password, Never put your personal detail in your active directory especially on your site source document, use 2FA and so on).
- Learn to spot a phising or malicious link and never to randomly click random link in an email (in times when someone tried to social engineering you).
- Use reputable service provider if you are not going to self-host yourself.
- If you happen to self-host, make sure to check your open ports and secure them. Bots always probing any site in the world!
- For some reason if you’re going to run sketchy stuff, never use your real credential. This point may not apply on your region as it depends on your local law.
Hm not really sure this answers what I mean. If you are hosting a site, how do you stop corps demanding your name from the hosting provider and going after you?
Sadly for that matter it is more to the legal area.
For identity they can catch you either from email or the payment info. For email you can make one easily, but for payment search a provider that accept virtual (credit) card, or get something that accept crypto wallet.
Yeah, online exposure can point you sooner or later depending how motivated the party that seek you.
I make lots of use of discord. That does not mean I prefer it to forum style for communication - discord just suits well for one-off joke-y talk
Maybe in my message seems to focus solely on discord for putting the blame… The problem nowadays is that mostly these “devs” share/upload/host their releases in Discord which means you do use Discord’s CDN to host their files. Another common complaint of these practices is that you need to join their server in order to just download relevant files which makes it infuriating if you stumbles across these practices often. For example I joined 8 different discord servers just to download a software/binary/release, why can’t just put the release on something like Mediafire, Google Drive, Megaupload or perhaps sourceforge.
I do understand Discord is communication platform but most of time some people are too lazy to manage stuff so what happen is that everything is hosted in single place as such Discord.
Wait, wtf. People literally post helpful resources and artifacts on discord, and nowhere else? Huh. Just as I thought it is impossible to go lower
Internet is really wide and open if you know direction :)
Even libgen (Library Genesis) still provide IRC as one of option to download ebook from their catalog.
FMHY and Internet Archive is a good entry point if you want to search anything.
And it’s a million times better for people trying to troubleshoot.
1 forum post can solve many problems, rather than having to have each person ask in a support chat that’s not searchable.
Technically Discord is trying to solve this with their threads feature, but I’ve found either the server owners don’t force it or the users don’t use it. Either way, it sucks.
Can’t find the answer via a search engine though. You first have to find out where to look for the answer, before you can ask it.
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The threads/forum feature on discord is just awful. Topics get buried and I think the general ethos of discord encourages people to just spam in the chat channels rather than wait in a forum for help.
They need to be using an encrypted platform hosted in a country out of reach of Nintendo
Not platform. Protocol.
Semantics, given the scope and intention of my comment
Still not the point of a live-chat application. The use case is not the same as a forum. You want an archive where everything is well-organized and most questions have already been answered. Discord and other live chat services are more like live tech support, to fill the gap between the raw technical documentation found in GitHub, and the just getting started guide or FAQ, which are usually lightweight enough that they could be posted anywhere. Discord doesn’t exist to be an archive that holds all the knowledge, discord exists so that when you open an app, you can go in, ask a couple questions, and hopefully someone will get to you in a couple minutes, at most, rather than in a couple days.
“We will repeat in every sentence that we are not a for-profit emulator, we’ll be fine!”
Yeah.
This reminds me that I need to uninstall discord. Thanks!
Good discord is trash.
I don’t want to get victim blamey, but…
