Big corpos don’t want to take it over, they want it gone.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Is there a way to block meta in lemmy? Im in the lemmy.world instance, or is it up to the developers and maintainers of each lemmy instance?
Threads being in the Fediverse is a plus for me, not a negative. It means I could follow regular people and friends who would never in a million years join places like Mastodon or Lemmy while I still get the benefits of being on those platforms, all while being shielded from Meta’s ads and data harvesting. The only issue is I don’t actually believe Zuck will go through with it. They’ll either never federate or severely limit it if they do.
Mastodon themselves have put out a post outlining how this will affect them (it won’t) and how EEE is not a threat. If Meta does eventually opt out of ActivityPub then cool. It’s not like that’s why Mastodon users were there in the first place.
Mastodon the non-profit is all but compromised.
The guy in charge is essentially in cahoots with Meta and is under an NDA from them.
It doesn’t take more than 2 seconds of thinking to see how empty the words are that Mastodon is not at risk.
- Threads federates with Mastodon instances
- Threads uses its massive engineering resources to implement proprietary functionality that’s incompatible with Mastodon instances
- A non-trivial number of Mastodon users jump over to Threads, this is the first wave of people that leave Mastodon
- Threads drops support for federation and silos itself off
- The majority of the remainder of people on Mastodon jump over to Threads because they want to be able to continue to interact with the people that jumped over to Threads and/or because they want to be able to continue to interact with normies now that they’re used to that
- Mastodon is effectively dead, safe for a select few that stick to their guns
3 and 5 will happen in a cascading manner, the more people switch to Threads, the more others will also want to switch.
Number 3 will be difficult since most of the users moving are moving to get away from Meta. I find it hard to believe they’d just jump back into that ecosystem.
A lot of people aren’t really ideologically opposed to Meta, they’re just on Mastodon since it’s there’s less friction to use it than Twitter (see rise of Bluesky). Threads will “fix” a lot of issues people have with Mastodon (CW, no algorithm, inability to advertise, instances moving/going under) and they’ll move without thinking anything of it since they can still access all of their Mastodon content
Of course the move back isn’t going to be as easy, I doubt Meta is going to implement robust account migration, and then the easier choice is to stay on Threads. This is also ignoring the
incompatibilitiesimprovements to ActivityPub that Meta will introduce later on in Meta’s lifespan, which will be poorly documented and rapidly changing if they open it up at allEven if many Mastodon users don’t switch immediately, this is enough to hamper the long term growth/health of the platform
Omg please get yourself educated. Really scary to know people like you exist.
The post has been put out by the people that made Mastodon. Why should anyone trust you over them when you provide 0 arguments against them.
Embrace Extend Extinguish was always a Microsoft strategy and one they have been forced to abandon over the years. Their attitude changed towards open source because it doesn’t work! I think you might be the one who is lacking in knowledge or “education” here.
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What’s your question? Microsoft invented and then abandoned the EEE strategy because the strategy dosen’t work! Open source never went away no matter what they did.
Open source doesnt work? Would love to see a source on that one alone. Almost sounds like you have an agenda to sell.
I think you misinterpreted what they said. They meant “Their attitude changed towards open source because [Embrace, Extend, Extinguish] doesn’t work”
That’s exactly what I meant! Did I fail to write it clearly or is their reading comprehension no good?
I had to read it twice because I misinterpreted it the same way.
Their attitude changed towards open source because it doesn’t work!
That “it” could be interpreted either as ‘open source’ or ‘EEE’ from the previous sentence.
The sentence itself is a little ambiguous but it’s nothing major, it’s easy enough to get the message from context
Embrace, extend and destroy is a known, well established, concept. Microsoft was quite open about how this is to be done.
It has already happened to established decentralised networks. See here!
Maybe it won’t happen to Mastodon, maybe they have the masterminds who can counter it. But it is imo pretty clear that this is what Meta plans to do.
I get why people don’t want anything from Meta around stuff they use. They’re obviously awful. I just don’t think that even 5% of Fediverse users are going to ditch for Threads if Meta defederates. They were here before Meta and I can promise you not a single person on earth is signing up for Mastodon because it will federate with Threads only to have the rug pulled out from under them. This is a small niche community and that will not change with or without Meta. The people that Meta could siphon with EEE are already in their ecosystem.
I swear some of y’all just get off on doomsaying.
Do you think Facebook wants to get involved because they’re excited about making the fediverse a better place?
No, they want to train AI models. They don’t give a shit about taking over ActivityPub.
Why would they need threads to train AI models?
They don’t need to take it over if they have enough unwitting users / communities / instances associating with their content & users, perhaps. Maybe they don’t care about a smaller competitor if they can just scrape all the data anyway.
Read their privacy policy. They already admitted they will scrape info from 3rd party users/communities which interact with their users.
This is not a good thing.
They can scrape info already. Anyone can set up their own private instance, federate with others, and scrape info from there, and I’d be shocked if Meta wasn’t already doing that. Besides the threads app collecting more data from the people that use the app, they can only collect data that is easily accessible from everyone else regardless of whether threads is federated or not
I don’t really see an argument for “extinguish” on that article. It looks like just “embrace, expand, unembrace.” I can think of a few reasons how meta could degrade the quality of the metaverse, but the example of xmpp doesn’t quite smell right - activitupub is mature (even if I disagree with lot of the core specs), and the fediverse is much more about “eventual consistency” instead of real-time chats where both side have to be online at the same time.
I don’t really see an argument where Google drew people away from xmpp - the author themself said that nobody cared about the few xmpp users, so it’s not like Google was drawing long-time xmpp users away.
I’d love to hear other opinions on that article.
Why wouldn’t I just do this?
This issue is going to divide the fediverse. You’ve got instances defederating from Threads, and instances defederating from instances that won’t defederate from Threads. I feel like there are going to be two clearly divided and disconnected sides to the fediverse now.
I’m just gonna bully the shit out of them, like the blue checkers on twitter.
Sign up for a real instance, fucking nerds.
Meta jumping on the Fediverse bandwagon would kill it one day. It’s an EEE strategy. We need to keep them out. Defederate from them.
I don’t think so. How would they kill the fediverse? Like there will still many communities that will not federate with Meta and still continue to operate as usual.
I think this is a pretty good read.
I think that article is mostly fearmongering.
Most people using Mastodon right now are not following mainstream people on their feeds - they are mostly following like-minded people who have made the switch from Twitter. If their server decides to federate with Meta, it will actually improve their experience because they can start following mainstream people from the comfort of their Mastodon feed. And if Meta decides to break ActivityPub (which I doubt), it will be back to the original status quo for most users.
And most mainstream people will not be signing up for Mastodon anyways, they will be signing up for Threads/Blue Sky.
@app_priori @jacktherippah I would never put anything past Facebook’s intentions and the reactions of some Mastodon users. I think a good chunk of Mastodon users would still go back to a centralized network and might see Threads as a way to have both worlds … until the other shoe drops.
Well that’s because Mastodon has many shortcomings. Like the search sucks. It’s hard to find people to follow without asking people for recommendations. Mastodon is scarcely a Twitter replacement; it feels like it was built to create extremely insular communities. Like Gab and Truth Social run on Mastodon’s software.
@app_priori I sular communities that can federate. That’s the draw for me, but may not be for others. I think I’m done with a Twitter-like experience but I know a lot of other Twitter “refugees” just will not roll with the new experiences. And recreating somewhere where news and information can be diseminated. I mean it seems like it would be an easy technical problem to solve and I’m surprised that it hasn’t happened already.
Anyways lol I’m rambling
Someone want to explain how to get followers on there? Feel like posting to the wind on that site?
lol you’re all so dramatic and pretentious no wonder mastodon never took off. Threads will have more users than the entirety of Mastodon on ONE instance. They can stand entirely on their own and offer a superior content experience than a bunch of angry nerds yelling at the clouds. Mastodon is just a bunch of people mad at other platforms. That’s 90% of the content.
We’re standing effectively at the beginning of the race for mass adoption of the federation concept and you’re declaring mastodon a failure based on the content of the earliest adopters. Lemmy is also 90% reddit refugees and discussions about the reddit refugees if you’re using “All” as your sole metric. Granted, reddit refugees were able to coordinate a mass migration that will probably be far more effective at creating lasting community with rich content at lemmy/kbin federated sites than twitter refugees, but it’s a bit early to say mastodon “never took off.”
Fuck Meta
Fuck the Zuck!
All my homies hate meta
Wait, their server is online already?
Thanks!
I 'member XMPP
I really hope the fediverse can block out the meta crap…
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