I’m going to laugh if they bring back the draft and people just go
“…nah”
Reminds me of Marx talking about the downward trend of height requirements in armies.
Homer Joins The Royal Navy
While its fun to dunk on, all it means is that British Navy basic training is just going to have their sailor boys learning to swim instead of just expecting them to already know how.
Its gonna be a net negative for the anti war crowd because this just opens up recruiting to poorer people who don’t have time/access to swimming pools and swimming lessons.
Being able to swim when stationed on a ship sounds way more useful than it actually is. In a ‘man overboard’ situation, it doesn’t help you much, you get fucked by the inertia of a massive ship that can’t just turn around and pick you up. By the time they manage to turn around the ship, the real problem is actually finding you. Even if you’re an excellent swimmer, your chances of survival are very low.
I’m not trying to be rude, but how can you not know how to swim? Like not talking race or long distance, but just like… Keep your head above water and move forward? I feel like that’s just natural? Would love to be enlightened
I never got a grasp of how to breathe for front crawl, because it is tiring and I always needed more air than I could get in between arm strokes. Maybe if I had better technique so I was less out of breath, then I wouldn’t need as much air and I’d figure it out, but whatever.
Swimming is pretty hard and tiring if you aren’t using proper form and trying to streamline yourself. If you can only swim 10m until you get tired then that’s basically the same as not knowing how to swim.
If I lived near a community pool maybe I’d try and learn/practice during lane swim times, but I don’t and gyms with pools are too expensive monthly.
I don’t float either, but if I kick my legs my head stays above water. That’s what I meant by “keep your head above water.”
never got a grasp of how to breathe for front crawl.
If you’re at the point of struggling to do a specific style, you’re past the point of not knowing how to swim at all.
If you can only swim 10m until you get tired then that’s basically the same as not knowing how to swim.
I guess, but I imagined when people say “I cannot swim” that they meant that they could not swim. That’s at least what I am asking about, hence why I specified “not long distance”. I can easily understand not being in physical shape to swim long distances, but that’s not the same as not at all being able to swim, which is what I am asking about.
If I can only swim a few metres before stopping, then I drown when I stop, then I can’t swim.
If I’m terrible at running, I can just stop and not have my lungs fill up with water.
That’s a pretty big difference. If you get chucked into the middle of an Olympic pool and aren’t 100% sure you could get out, then I’d say you can’t swim.
Usually when you talk about being able to swim it’s about safety in aquatic activities. My grandpa almost died swimming in a small river without much current because he wasn’t that good at swimming. He didn’t die, but because it was that close I’d say he didn’t know how to swim.
You wouldn’t say you can ride a bike if you fall after a few metres.
If I can only swim a few metres before stopping, then I drown when I stop, then I can’t swim.
If that is what people mean when they say they cannot swim, then it makes sense.
You wouldn’t say you can ride a bike if you fall after a few metres.
I mean I guess I would? If you can pedal and give it momentum and keep your balance for a while, then you can ride a bike.
Different activities have different contexts for what “being able to do it” means.
If I said I can’t drive, that means I have no license and probably think there’s too high of a chance of something going wrong if I drove. That doesn’t mean that idk how to steer, hit the gas, or brake.
If I said I can’t walk that means I’m paralyzed.
Swimming is somewhere in between those two on the spectrum of “what does it mean when I say I can’t”.
I’d say that I am currently a bad/weak swimmer because I had some independent practice recently, but there was definitely a time where I’d say I didn’t know how to swim even though I had taken lessons at that point.
Yeah I understand (but thank you for making sure) and I guess I’m just placing it closer to walk than most others. If you told me you couldn’t climb trees I’d assume you were paralyzed too and swimming is in the same area in my view.
Go try to tread water for 5 minutes. It’s absolutely exhausting
Yeah I know? How is that in any way an answer to my question of “how can people not know to swim?” If you can tread water you can swim.
I’m not saying it’s not difficult? I’m not asking “lmao what’s up with these pussies being too weak to swim for more than a few seconds?” I took pains to make it clear that’s not what I meant.
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If you lack exposure to the water. It doesn’t come perfectly naturally, especially if you are a bit older and have developed a fear. It’s definitely easier to learn if you’re younger.
But that’s kinda what I mean, I don’t get the “learning” part. Swimming is like… Climbing a tree or digging or doing some other somewhat complicated but approachable task. You’re not gonna be great at it, but isn’t there an intuitive approach you have?
I’ve never ran Track & Field or polevaulted, but I’m sure I could kinda do the simplest of simple of those. Not great or competitively, but I would be able to do it. I feel like it would be that with swimming too - Youre not gonna be great, but you’re going to figure out a way to move yourself forward pretty intuitivelyI learned to swim before I have memory but imagine it’s due to panicking or not knowing how to float efficiently meaning you tire out fast and take big gulps of water.
That makes sense
Probably not dressed for swimming either. Shoes and draggy clothing definitely don’t help!
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It’s a bit of a class thing since you need to either have physical access to a swimmable body of water or have economic access to a pool and then have the free time to either teach your kids yourself or the money and free time to drop them off at swim lessons.
In the US, black Americans are the most likely to not know how to swim and poor Americans in general are more likely to not know how.
I can’t see how it’s a class thing, like you can live by water without it being beachfront property. Plenty of poor people live by the water all over the world and in the US. I guess I just don’t understand, but I thank you for trying to explain
Pollution.
i live in a dry place, there ain’t swimming depth bodies of water that aren’t artificial, and you’ve got to pay to swim at most of them. our rivers are pathetic and an adult would be hard pressed to drown in one so it’s also mostly useless to learn unless it’s for recreation
That sucks
Thank you for this thread - I have had the same bafflement and the exchanges below were enlightening.
Thank you for this response. I feel like half the people responding haven’t read my question all the way through, so it’s been quite frustrating.
I can only guess that people panic
I didn’t really get a proper grasp on anything but the backstroke until I took adult swimming classes in my 20s.
It doesn’t help that not knowing how to swim doesn’t stop gym class from forcing you to participate. I drank a lot of chlorine during 2 weeks each year.
And it’s wild, I was an avid distance runner, biker, and tree/rock climber. Swimming just didn’t click for me for some reason.
Weird! Backstroke was the first thing I figured out too - and that’s sort of what I mean. Kinda just worked something out.
And yeah I remember the mouthfuls of chlorine :yea:
Truly this is the Sick Man of Europe.
All things considered ukraine probably has that title now and there’s no contender
The race’s finish line be like:
…but in a little sailor cap
Tbf if you throw enough bodies at the problem eventually youll just be able to walk across the dead bodies no need for swimming tyvm
NONONO only evil Soviet Union uses sheer numbers
We civilized ubermensch only need a few genetically pure supermen (and a few brown meat shields) to put the rabble in their place
i for one support these new standards
second strongest country in the world :))))
Breaking News: UK Royal Air Force no longer requires knowing how to fly a plane to join (Source: Me)
Their just retvrning to tradition
I was going to say wasn’t this common in the age of sail? I remember reading something about sailors drowning often because they couldn’t swim, and that was just expected
It was considered bad luck to know how to swim because the water already had a taste of you and wouldn’t give you up
Which to me just sounds like they didn’t care if you lived or died
i’ve never gone into the sea for precisely this reason, i am delicious and will only trust waters that cannot eat me
Aye, the briny deep is a fine broth and I am but the most supple of sweetmeats
That sounds like something an officer makes up to convince dudes that can’t swim not to worry about it
I mean, if you’re a sailor and you end up overboard, you’re probably gonna die. Idk if you have ever been in the North Sea, but it is cold and choppy and even a modern life vest wont keep you alive for long. Even a strong swimmer stands little chamce of survival if they go overboard on a ship.
oh yea I’m aware of how deadly cold water can be. I agree all those dudes were probably going to die anyway if their ship sunk, it just sounded like something you’d say if you just don’t want someone dwelling on that fact
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If they can’t swim away… they can’t get away.
It was really because it didn’t make a difference - if you went overboard, you died, no matter how good at swimming you were.
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Yelling out how expendable you are as I cry and ask for more of you to join my declining navy.
