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The official Steam page for Deep Silver and Starbreeze’s PAYDAY 3 game has been updated to show the use of this ever-controversial third-party DRM.
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Damnit.
“Payday 3 guarantees an objecticely worse user experience at launch on pc version”
Damn, and I i was actually excited for this game. Oh well, maybe in a couple years they’ll remove it and then it can be seen a viable product.
guess what game i will never play even if i wanted to my os kinda dosen’t do kernel pevel drm
What os is it out of curiosity?
the linux system that shall not be named (arch) since it has such a negative stigma i don’t want to scream at everyone that i use it ^^
Bro who tf is stealing Payday let alone to play alone. What a waste of money and a fuck you to paying customers.
That’s the thing, the game is already online only, why do they need anti piracy DRM on top of it?
I think it may be more anti-cheat than anti-piracy, but Denuvo in particular can fuck itself
It`s a co-op game, who cares about cheaters?
The people that make money off of it’s monetization. I’ll have to assume they’ll have some sort of season pass.
IIRC payday 2 had glacially slow progression at launch. Now what if you could simply pay some (more) money to skip those boring early levels this time around?
Okay, so I wouldn’t care, but yeah if they want to sell progression…
I looked into it some more and it seems there was a “shady” script you could use to grant yourself any piece of paid dlc you wanted, so The Money People probably asked how they could ensure that doesn’t happen again and just didn’t care about the drawbacks for regular people.
Oh believe me, people got hyphy in PD2 about mods and stuff, even HUDs and QOL mods got peoples’ hackles up.
That’s dumb. Those people suck. :P
The PD2 community’s fuckin’ weird sometimes.
DRM is part of an anti-cheat solution. Just like not being F2P is
If authentication is not properly checked, spinning up new accounts to evade bans becomes trivial. This is why so many live games will be “buy to own” or have different tiers in matchmaking that boil down to “spend five bucks on anything to play the real game”. And same with DRM checking for pirated copies.
The other aspect is regional restriction. Not sure if denuvo specifically does this, but you can pretty easily check what region a game was purchased for and what region it is playing in. If all those dirt cheap Brazilian copies are being played in Kansas? Report an error. It prevents people from exploiting regional pricing while still allowing those who have ridiculously low purchasing power to buy anything… and it mostly just screws over people who travel.
I don’t see any reason for denuvo to impose region restrictions and I hope that isn’t the case considering online stores already do this!
Overkill blew all their money with that WW2 spin off. And it crashed so hard there was a John Cleese shaped crater where it hit rock bottom.
They were only able to make Payday 3 with significant external investment. So basically, PD3 is going to be a gutted and whored game since those investors will get significant say what goes into the game. Denuovo just being the most obvious right now.
It’s probably unlikely to happwn soon but in that case the only right answer is piracy once they found a way around this shit again!
I think we’re down to only 1, maybe 2 people that can crack Denuovo. One of them is a raging psychopath lol
I think in the end Denuovo is going to win. :(
Nah… in the end, indie developers and people who don’t want to blow 70+ on an unfinished poorly optimized pile of shit with Denuvo icing will win.
If a DRM model actually works and can protect day/week/quarter/year one sales, plenty of indie devs and the like will pay for a license to insure their profits for that period.
And, regardless of what the internet claims, implemented correctly (so not checking on every frame update like some games do…), denuvo is completely transparent to the end user (maybe less so now that steam decks are a thing…). And the issues with authentication servers going down or licenses not refreshing mostly go way if it is removed with a patch a day/week/quarter/year in to the life cycle of the game. Which I would assume devs want to do anyway to stop paying for denuvo licenses?
The lesson we failed to learn from The DRM Wars of the 2000s is that piracy and “boycotts” don’t make DRM go away. Because it just takes one uncrackable game (I remember Mass Effect PC being a great example of this) to send ALL the pirates to the store. Because if you haven’t been buying your other games, getting the one you want for full price from the kid at Best Buy is easy.
The reality is that, much like what CDP/GoG said back in the day, it is about convenience. Steam put the fear of god into people (get caught pirating and you lose all your games!) and provided a(n honestly pretty invasive) DRM solution while encouraging consumers to “just buy it”. But, over time, that has proven to not be enough as more people realize how easy it is to bypass steam DRM and third party solutions are desired again.
And we are going to see the third party solutions as well as regional restrictions (which DRM also helps with) as more and more people shift back to piracy and exploiting cdkeys and the like for regional pricing exploits.
It’s actually the other way around historically speaking, more DRM and locking down causes people to care less. The latest Darknet Diaries episode is about Team Xecuter, I think you would really enjoy that one! ;)
I don’t really give a shit if it goes away.
I’m boycotting to save myself from more BSODs and bad performance, (even ABZU refused to run right on my computer and most of my MGS5 playtime was wrestling with getting things working and putting in validation numbers), and my backlog—like I’m sure most gamers’ is—is full of stuff to play without Denuvo.
Plus, there’s a weird (little but there) overlap of stuff that has Denuvo… keeps Denuvo… and gets launched on Gog and others without any DRM included… so, even the “surely they’ll patch it out” idea doesn’t hold water either.
Honestly, good. It’s made devs want to release on PC again.
It’s now the price of GPUs that’s really holding it back.
Dev’s don’t want Denuovo. Publishers or more specifically Investors want Denuovo cause they don’t understand or care what the end users want or how it negatively impacts them to have intrusive DRM. On their little power point, it says Denuovo saves them money, and that makes them happy. Even when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Adding DRM to a co-op game is one of the stupidest things you can do. The only thing I can think of that would be worse would be adding DRM to a game that is already always-online.
I understand people hate DRM, but what’s the specific gripe about co-op games having them?
If you do your authentication with online servers properly it is virtually impossible to get the full experience by pirating anyway so the only thing you’re doing by including DRM is taking performance and convenience from paying customers
Worse performance for no reason
Good reason to not waste money on the game though at least
The main point of co-op games is to play with friends. In order to do that, you (usually) need to connect to the games official servers, which you can’t do on cracked games (for the most part) which makes DRM pretty pointless. It prevents you from enjoying maybe a lazily thrown together campaign and it’s more of an insult than anything else.
Plus, it’s also worth mentioning DRM hurts paying customers by causing reduced performance in-game and also inconveniencing them.
causing reduced performance in-game and also inconveniencing them.
denuvo in particular will blow out your SSD with unoptimized mass writes, too
adding DRM to a game that is already always-online
Funny should you mention that
The price of this game makes it one you should definitely be a patient gamer on. Not only will you save a ton of money but it’ll probably be Denuvo free eventually too.
The constant updates and online features were reason enough to not pirate payday 2 tbh. This is no good. Just lost a customer. Sad
Agreed. I gave up on PD2 because their update scheme involved reinstalling the goddamned game every couple of weeks. Massive pain in the ass for a hotfix.
As usual, any announcement of Denuvo in a PC game is met with immediate ire, ostensibly from the gaming community. But you already knew that Denuvo doesn’t affect performance unless it’s configured to make an extreme amount of checks, and it definitely doesn’t ruin hard drives. You wouldn’t share reactionary misinformation would you?
Be honest. You just hate that pirating the game is going to be more difficult.
You are correct, but you’re getting downvoted by people who buy into FUD or are just upset that they can’t get cracks day 1 like they used to.
Be honest, you’re a denuvo/DRM shill.
We don’t already know it doesn’t impact performance, we don’t know what checks it will make, and we don’t know that denuvo ACTUALLY impacts sale numbers by convincing those mean old pirates to buy their game.
That’s what reviews are for. If the game runs poorly, don’t buy it. Whether the bad performance is caused by Denuvo is irrelevant to my purchasing decisions.
There have been good and bad implementations of Denuvo. It’s disingenuous to pretend all games go one way or the other when there are so many examples of both. Supposedly review outlets like Digital Foundry will soon get access to protected and non-protected builds of new games so that they can directly measure any performance impact.
Calling people shills is really shitty behavior. All you’re doing is inciting conflict, not contributing to any rational discussion.
we don’t know that denuvo ACTUALLY impacts sale numbers by convincing those mean old pirates to buy their game
But we do know it improves sales, that’s why every game publisher that can afford it is using it. They have years of data to prove it. What do you have?
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It look like the drm isn’t here to protect the game but the microtransaction system. This greedy 40$ freemium system remind me ovewatch…
If the server side security is done properly, nothing the client can do can crack that.
One can surely run his own server for payday 3 to connect to. I’m not really knowledgable about game hacking but I guess a DRM will make this more difficult.
Boooo.
Oh, this game’s gonna have a rough launch won’t it?
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