i’ve been trying to have less meals with meat. we had delicious butternut squash curry that was flavorful and filling over rice, and i was super proud of it.
then my husband made chicken to put in all the leftovers… 🤦🏻♀️
can’t people just fly less private jets please?
I think I’d schedule a movie night for Earthlings every time he did some asshole move like that
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I eat probably 21 meat meals a week. I still choose meat though. Definitely need some ideas for veg recipes. My favorite veg meal I’ve made is shakshouka, but nearly everything else always falls a little flat. What are some of your guys’ favorite recipes?
I love shakshouka with aubergine that shit’s great. Anyway, vegan here and most of the stuff i eat is indian food (a lot of that stuff is vegan or at least vegetarian by default), middle eastern food with baba ganoush/hummus/falafel or east asian foods with tofu or tempeh. I find that just veganizing meatdishes take a bit of skill and fantasy for it not to just become a lackluster version of the thing you already like and are used to.
As a meat-eater, Jesus Christ you should probably cut out some meat.
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Veggie pizza (time consuming, but I make extra dough)
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Veggie Lasagna (it’s a pain to make though)
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Relish tray (sliced veggies like broccoli, bell peppers, celery, carrots, etc, maybe crackers and cheese or flat bread, and either Hummus or dip) (cheap and easy)
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Veggie quesadilla (easy)
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Couscous
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slow cooker veggie chili (cheap and easy)
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slow cooker curry and rice (cheap and easy)
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roast dinner minus the roast (corn, green beans, steamed Broccoli, mashed potatoes, roasted beats, Yorkshire pudding, gravy)
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veggie ground it cottage pie
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veggie ground for spaghetti bolognaise (easy)
Nice, thank you! And I’m not really serious since I only really eat two meals a day but it’s usually a sandwich at lunch and then a dinner with meat.
I’ve made a vegan lasagna and it was tough but rewarding, veggie lasagna sounds nice and non vegan cheese probably ups the ante a bit
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Man, fuck flying.
Why not both?
Meat. I live on the other side of the country from my family, and the only way I can have enough time to visit them is by some form of high speed transit. Since there’s no high speed train in the US, I’m stuck flying.
Definitely meat - I’ve been vegetarian for a very long time and vegan since COVID, and no plans of stopping anytime soon! Flying is a bit more difficult, but I work from home and when my work requires me to travel, I’m lucky that I have the ability to take a train, so I do that. I do like traveling occasionally, and for some of the places I want to go, I can’t realistically avoid flying.
If anyone here is interested in giving up or reducing meat intake but needs a little advice or extra support to get started, please let me know. I’m happy to share any knowledge and tips I can!
I live with my folks and I can’t say no to them serving me meat. I tell them I’d love to reduce my meat intake and they agree … only to put meat on everything l the time. When I order or cook alone I try going vegetarian if I can.
What are some good vegetarian inspiring websites/cookbooks that you’d recommend for the next time I’m out grocery shopping?
I used to go veggie before and I found the meat cravings pretty crazy. Do you do impossible or beyond? Or do you stay away from those entirely?
can’t say no to them serving me meat.
Offer to cook one meal a week for the family, and take it as an opportunity to showcase meat-free meals. If they’re dyed-in-the-wool carnivores, you’ll have to start with typical meat dishes using substitutes e.g. lasagne made with soya mince.
Fortunately as an individual I don’t have to give up either and it’s pointless for me as well. As a member of society I will automatically adjust my habits to how we structure society. If society has decided to get rid of cars, then we are free to fly and eat meat while still massively decreasing total greenhouse gases to well below sustainable levels.
For some reason, petroleum industry sponsored “think pieces” like this that proliferate through green communities always structure the problem as an individual one. I wonder why they are always framed that way?
Airfare has to be the winner here right? With the way our global economy is currently set up we still require airplanes to deliver goods and people vast distances quickly.
I’d much rather eat veggies anyway. I’ve just grown to recently really like vegetables more than the meat part of a meal.
Medical supplies yes, but not shit like flowers, cherries, or tourists. Tourism is oversold and I’m so done. Especially cruise ships, just using international waters to dump their garbage
On that note: we really need some regulation on what’s allowed on open ocean. It’s to important of an eco system to survive without regulations.
And you enforce them at port.
Imagine asking yourself this, like flying was ever fucking necessary ever.
Is it even possible to give up flying?
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I have neither.
Very yes.
If I had to go to Europe or Japan, how am I supposed to accomplish that?
You don’t have to.
I get it. You guys are just trolling.
Why do you need though? Just make a zoom call.
But you don’t, though.
You don’t
Exactly, now you get it.
Flying easy. Flying fucking sucks. Yeah I’d love to get a leg clot for $300 and 6 hours in your packed fart tube. As long as every private jet gets grounded too.
Can I keep both and instead hold corporations responsible since they’re responsible for like 90% of climate change causes.
No you can’t. How do you think those corporations pollute? Do they do it for fun or because they have customers that feed their businesses? The idea that “heading corporations responsible” will magically solve all problems and that it doesn’t imply any change in your lifestyle is beyond naive. Shell pollutes because people buy and burn their fuel, they’re not burning it in their headquarters.
How about we nationalize the energy industries and incorporate the social/environmental costs of them into our long-term planning so that we can have our cake and eat it to?
How about instead this “personal responsibility” bullshit we focus on the actual causes of global warming, I.e. massive corporations that create the majority of greenhouse gasses
How about both?
Why has it to be either, or? We need both. Systemic and behavioural changes on all levels. And we need it now. We no longer have any time left to shift the blame back and forth! I’m getting so sick of this blame game!
It’s 100% personal responsibility, it’s just that part of that responsibility is to vote/convince others for more systemic change. All the kids just blaming the “biggest 100 companies” while not voting and making no lifestyle changes are just as bad as the people they critizise.
In what way did I insinuate, even hint on not voting?
You didn’t. My point was more that voting isn’t enough. Just because there are worse people, that doesn’t mean that we are free of blame. The entire west is living very unsustainable lifestyles. So we both need to stop the big polluters by voting and we also need to do our own part to strive towards reaching sustainability.
If everyone suddenly changed their lifestyle to be more sustainable, world would still go to shit. Because again, individuals combined contribute minimally compared to corporations individually.
Not to mention, “carbon footprint” is a myth made by british petroleum and spread by big oil. It is made exactly to scare people like you, making them think responsible for problems not caused by individuals.
Only way to combat climate change is systematic, not individual. You can do you and be more sustainable if you want, but don’t spread lies made by the ones actually responsible.
If everyone changed their lifestyle the we would solve the climate crisis. It’s not like the big corporations release co2e because it’s fun, they do it because the people want the products (and they want them at a cheap price). Corporations are no angels by any means but they are directly downstream from the people.
It’s obviously more complicated than that but the idea that big corporations have the sole responsibility is just shifting the blame. You are still responsible for the portion that you put into the atmosphere.
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It’s not quite as simple as that. There are the carbon emissions we actively produce such as fuel in motor vehicles. Then there are passive emissions from transporting items such as foodstuffs which we are not directly responsible for. So changing lifestyle can only achieve so much. Feedback mechanisms such as carbon sequestation through planting trees needs balancing against additional gasses from melting permafrost etc. A global government level effort is what is needed
What does voting for Capitalism have to do with helping the environment? They are 100% orthogonal to each other.
I didn’t even mention capitalism? Are you responding to the wrong person? My argument is that people ought to vote for the more environmental option.
The fact that you don’t even realize that capitalism is the problem and then you think voting for one of the two capitalist parties will fix anything, shows you don’t care about the problem enough to think deeply about it at all.
Even if I agreed with you, voting is still important. We need to do what we can in the current situation even if you don’t think it is the full solution.
What type of action do you propose instead?
Targeted action against the c-suite of energy companies and board members.
If you put it this way: sure. And those famous “biggest 100 companies”, which are constantly used as a cheap excuse to not do anything on a personal level, are run by maybe 1,000 or so individuals. And employ a few 100,000 individuals.
All decisions are 100% personal responsibility, because entities like corporations or nations can’t decide anything. It’s always individual people.
Yeah I mean I agree with you. Most people who won’t even take basic personal actions like not flying on vacation twice a yeah and not buying a stupid oversized car. If those people were put in the same position as these CEOs you can bet your left buttcheek that they would maximize profits in the exact same way. We need to both take individual action and also hold each other accountable by changing the law and applying social pressure.
How do you think those companies pollute? Are they burning fuel at Shell’s headquarters? Or do they have lots of customers who think their personal behavior doesn’t matter?
And who do those corporations sell to?
The majority of the shit they sell us doesn’t ever get bought.
I know it’s not your question, but we probably don’t have to give up either one. Just do a lot less of it. It’s a lot easier to convince people to do less or seek viable alternatives than to give it up.
There’s also a good chance that both will become greener with better, greener tech.
We could also just abolish cruise ships and prevent far more pollution than banning air travel.
Nobody really needs to be on a cruise ship IMO.
I’ve taken one trip in the last 15 years where I flew, so it’s pretty rare for me anyway, but hopefully, improvements to train infrastructure in the US will lead to more people taking that route. Idk if battery tech will get to the point where jets can be run off them, but I could see them moving over to renewably-generated hydrogen. Use solar/wind to generate hydrogen and use that hydrogen in jets, large construction equipment, farming machinery, etc.
And while I still eat meat, I’ve been moving towards more plant-based foods whenever I can.
