Google layoffs: The company plans to set up a new team in Munich, Germany which would act as “cheaper” labour, the report claimed.

    • @[email protected]
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      61 year ago

      Their financials are doing pretty great, but like any enshitification, the UX is degraded by the day to squeeze money out of everything.

      • @[email protected]
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        11 year ago

        KPIs might be great, but land for new competitors is being created by Google itself

        I’d never invest money in Google right now

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      Even if he gets layed off or even fired, he will still receive a larger compensation package than either you or I will receive as compensation in the whole of our working lives, most likely both of ours together his compensation package will dwarf even ten times what we will make together our whole lives.

      And this is if he does the shittiest job he can possibly do and gets fired.

  • @[email protected]
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    1881 year ago

    Google’s death spiral will take a while but it’s clearly circle the drain.

    It will likely never completely die the same way IBM never died but it will stop being the desired placed for new graduates.

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      121 year ago
      • Pichai ignores the fact that part of the reason the pay is so well at Big Tech is that they’re paying you to not have ethics. His failure to understand that is gonna seriously hurt Google.
      • Looking for cheaper labor… in Germany? Where worker protections are WAY stronger than in the US? Lol. (That’s not a shot at Germany. That’s commentary on American labor protections, or lack thereof).
      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        European salaries for software developers are half of what they are in the USA. It’s a problem on both sides of the Atlantic, honestly.

        Source: software developer in Europe who usually works for American companies.

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          Be that as it may, Europeans don’t have to live with the constant fact that they might just lay you off today due to “staffing optimization” and there’s absolutely fuck-all you can do about it.

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      21 year ago

      Google is too big to fail. Yes they’ll lose a lot of customers and products but they only need to keep the ads and maybe google cloud engine running. Everything else is irrelevant until Google.com becomes irrelevant.

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      1161 year ago

      The fundamental problem with these businesses is that they are Too Big To Fail. Which is to say, they’ll have a low-interest line of credit and enormous historic revenue streams that carry them decades past what should be an expiration date.

      If a better Search Engine pops up, Google can either buy them out or vexatiously litigate them into the ground. If they start losing ground to Microsoft or Facebook, their treasury can simply hedge the losses by purchasing their rivals’ stock. If they face an outside challenger - a ByteDance or a Pinstorm - they can lobby the Feds to lock out the competition or buffer their weak sales by winning more federal contracts from the PRISM program.

      And, in the end, they’ll always have their IP. Decades of accumulated “we developed a special coding technique for pressing a button, so now you owe us money any time you press a button” basic legacy infrastructure that everyone else will be forced to license by a captured judiciary/regulatory body.

      Like GE and Walt Disney and Authentic Brands Group, they don’t actually have to make anything in the end. They can reap tens of billions of dollars by collecting rents on the company legacy.

      Just zombie firms feasting on the brains of smaller businesses and retail customers forever and ever and ever.

      • @[email protected]
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        121 year ago

        Which is annoying as people will say yeah but capitalism will bring competition. If Google isn’t doing well someone else will step up.

        But no. They don’t. Google will be to big to fail and we will support them like you said.

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          41 year ago

          capitalism will bring competition

          Because we’re all trapped in the Primitive Accumulationist mindset long after the frontier has closed. Now there’s no more worlds to be conquered. The only question is who has the cheapest lines of credit.

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              11 year ago

              The Senate dropped the original TikTok Ban Bill as a stand alone. The House stapled the TikTok ban to its Ukraine relief bill, which Schumer considered a Must-Pass. There’s no shortage of Silicon Valley shills in the Dem Majority US Senate, but that’s not why the amendment ultimately succeeded.

              This is because Steven Mnuchin is trying to force a buyout for personal gain and lobbying Congressional Republicans to do his dirty work. Its got far less to do with Sundar Pichai fearing that TikTok might eclipse YouTube.

                • @[email protected]
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                  11 year ago

                  If you track the history of the failed independent TikTok bill in the Senate, you’ll understand the situation better.

    • @[email protected]
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      311 year ago

      Source: I’ve done student outreach for Amazon (sitting at a booth, chatting to students, doing student program interviews).

      That ship has sailed. While big tech still means big salaries, many graduates are now smart enough to realise that the magic number a company says they’ll pay you every year is meaningless if they’ll lay you off three months from now to appease some shareholders.

      They see OpenAI, and they see a startup that basically mopped the floor with ALL of big tech in something they supposedly did for the better part of a decade. I genuinely think we’re a few small success stories away from FAANG being completely relegated to boomer tech like IBM.

      Google is done, IMO. The same goes for Meta, the two big tech companies that showed people how “fun” an office could be. They’re now relegated to normal companies…and their output over the last few years show a set of companies with few stand-out winners. Do you really want to slog through a tough CS degree and a 4-5 stage interview process requiring months of prep to work on Google Docs, or work hard for years only to be woken up every night for a whole week because Amazon Fashion is suffering downtime, all while VP’s move to different departments in a blindingly obvious move to avoid department shutdowns and being associated with mass job losses?

      IMO, if Google stick with Sundar, and Amazon stick with Jassy, they are done. They’ll lose their status and go into slow decline over the next decade.

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        the two big tech companies that showed people how “fun” an office could be. They’re now relegated to normal companies…and their output over the last few years show a set of companies with few stand-out winners

        1. Stop making work engaging
        2. The geniuses act less engaged and leave or get salty (the Dead Sea Effect)
        3. “Why would millennials do this to us?”

        Seems Google forgot what made it great.

        But it’s correctable:

        • let the smart people be smart
        • hire and organize worker bees around the hard work of maintenance and code evolution that isn’t SRE
        • don’t give up on slow starts (ohai Wave)
        • run the old folks home for beloved projects that are just PR wins to keep people happy (ohai gReader, Picasa, and a cast of thousands)

        Worker-bees don’t need to save the world every quarter. They also don’t earn the big bucks, but form the ecosystem to retain culture amid superstar churn.

        Build a functional company again. And fire the people thinking quarter by quarter.

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      Its not a death spiral but a typical downturn caused by poor leadership. nothing hard for a capable board to rectify.

      At googles core their business model could still stomp the competition with capable leadership. AI is simply not the disruptor being marketed.

    • @[email protected]
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      21 year ago

      Dunno where I saw the headline but supposedly big tech isnt the place fresh graduates dream of going to as their first place.

  • Dreizehn
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    München is not cheap city to reside in nor are the suburbs.

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        11 year ago

        Sent by who? Apple? Microsoft? Russia?

        Maybe we’re going into conspiracy theory territory, but he’s surely acting like he was sent by a competitor

  • @[email protected]
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    701 year ago

    Making CEO decisions, is easy for AI. Cant AI just replace these CEO’s more readily than programmers.

    • @[email protected]
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      111 year ago

      “you are a corporate ceo of a large web search and web services company. Write a document detailing corporate strategies to increase profits by 6%”

      • I Cast Fist
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        41 year ago

        Very well! To increase profits, increase the price of every service you offer by 15%, as that will offset potential customer losses and come to a 6% profit increase!

    • @[email protected]
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      191 year ago

      To be totally honest, i might be a sociopath too if i only have to work for a year and have enough money for a many generations

      • @[email protected]
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        181 year ago

        Honestly, I think there is something to that. You probably do need to be a sociopath in order to become a CEO like that, but I’d also buy that becoming wealthy, by any means, is probably going to change you and your worldview whether you like it or not

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          Money isn’t quite zero sum, but you don’t need to zoom in very far for it certainly look like it.

          Then you start trying to think about better solutions. If you’ve got a decent understanding of human history you can see the solutions you come up with played out over the last 5,000 years of human civilization with various levels of success or massive failures resulting in war, slavery, or famine.

          Then you think about what would happen if we all return to subsistence farming to avoid all that where our entire world be what we see with our eyes in the morning when we get out of bed. Then again you realize you’re back to war, slavery, or famine except on a micro scale with just yourself and your neighbor instead of on a nation-state sized version.

          The least-worse (not the best, because there is no best) solution I can think of at the moment is a nation that jumpstarts on war, slavery, and/or famine, and transitions to an egalitarian socialist society when its powerful and rich enough. That still doesn’t remove the very human element of corruption or exploitation that just want more than that ‘perfect society’ would produce.

  • @[email protected]
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    31 year ago

    If all of us fire all of our employee at the same time, then all of us hire each other employee again, we will got them cheaper.

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      51 year ago

      Microsoft and Google have indian CEOs so they can penetrate the billion people market (indians are deeply patriotic, and it plays into overall brand loyalty) and these companies plan lower costs while doing so.

      What’s a few million dollar paid for a (specifically chosen for the purpose) CEO, when you can make billions by using it to gain grounds in a emerging market.

      Win-Win

    • sebinspace
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      Personally I like seeing his name nailed to the worst era in Google’s history. The company has gone into the shitter since he arrived.

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    Google, who was famous for employing Guido van Rossum (creator of Python) is now firing their python team. I wonder why they didn’t reassign them to the ML/AI division.

    Guido van Rossum is working at Microsoft now.