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See, it turns out that the Rabbit R1 seems to run Android under the hood and the entire interface users interact with is powered by a single Android app. A tipster shared the Rabbit R1’s launcher APK with us, and with a bit of tinkering, we managed to install it on an Android phone, specifically a Pixel 6a.
Edit: Someone also got doom and Minecraft running on this thing
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“Duh”
what else would it be? it’s a pretty common embedded target. dev kits from Qualcomm come with Android and use the Android bootloader and debug protocols at the very least.
nobody is out here running a plain Linux kernel and maintaining a UI stack while AOSP exists. would be a foolish waste of time for companies like Rabbit to use anything else imo.
to say it’s “just an Android device” is both true and a mischaracterization. it’s likely got a lot in common with a smartphone, but they’ve made modifications and aren’t supporting app stores or sideloading. doesn’t mean you can’t do it, just don’t be surprised when it doesn’t work 1-1
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nobody is out here running a plain Linux kernel and maintaining a UI stack while AOSP exists.
Wrong, that’s even why I bought a SteamDeck (edited to add the most famous), PineTab2, PinePhone, and a reMarkable and use them pretty much daily.
Are there a lot of these compared to Android? No, but please do not say “nobody” when you mean “most” or “the vast majority” because by doing so you are reducing the perception of choice. Some people, like me, DO prefer plain Linux when they can. By hiding the fact that commercial solutions do exist this is helping an already dominant solution.
You are missing the point. The point is that there is no need for such a device, a simple android app can do everything that rabbit r1 does.
i didn’t think people would really be surprised. but maybe i’m jaded by my experience in the industry.
if we’re arguing whether or not it’s objectively stupid, i think that’s up to the market to decide.
kinda seems like a toy to me anyway, and it’s kind of priced that way
I’d still expect a lot more from a toy at $200. That’s cheap drone money or a decent RC car.
Yeah, but everyone could see that as soon as they released it.
It doesn’t matter how it’s implemented, it could have been done as an app from day one.
But they made it a device instead because it makes it easy to raise funds and to get journalists to talk about it. As simple as that.
Note that this is mostly due to the closed source drivers and nonexistent Linux support for smaller SoCs. Some manufacturers are quite good in that front (e.g. Broadcom/Raspberry Pi, Rockchip), with others you’re lucky if they allow you to use Linux at all, with no GPU drivers (which you often have to pirate the binaries, thanks ARM for making Mali a completely closed source project from its open source origins).
Broadcom is also closed source (I think). I have to use closed source drivers for my broadcom wireless adapter on Linux.
Broadcom is actually terrible, the Rpi foundation just had an in.
NXP deserves some credit for good board support packages and documentation.
Note that since it’s just an Android app, there is no purpose in selling this e-waste device other than increasing the price, since it does nothing you can’t already do on your phone.
I saw the Marquess Brownlee review of this thing last night and I wonder why companies make this crap and who is fool enough to fund it. It’s obviously doomed to fail, as are most “smart” gadgets & devices. The best that can be said for it, is at least there is no subscription to use it and it’s not outrageously expensive but that’s damning it with faint praise.
VCs will just follow the hype of the day and invest in anything that spouts the right buzzwords. But they’re aware of course, that most of those will fail. It takes just one out of ten to make it for it to be worthwhile.
If they weeded out some of the shittier ideas they’d be one in nine or eight.
I’ve met them they seriously don’t think like that. They have so much money that they can afford to be completely irresponsible with it. From that standpoint it is easier to just throw money at the wall and see what sticks and go through the effort of actually working it out.
It’s 200 USD contrary to the 700 USD humane pin, I think it’s ok as a niche toy, it’s why Marquess was also much more forgiving of it.
This is the second time I’ve read about this specific reviewer having a sane perspective on way overhyped gadgets. Sounds worth checking out. I’m used to videos being completely worthless because they are usually trying to get product affiliate money and YouTube ad revenue at the same time.
I don’t remember a single occasion where he was sponsored by the company he’s reviewing. He gets sent products all the time, but it seems to always be with the stipulation that if he thinks it sucks, he’ll say so.
I watched this review to check him out after writing that. I think he’s pretty great. YouTube is fucking awful, I’ll have to catch him somewhere else.
For a counterpoint, I ask you to see his Cybertruck review, he definitely put his kiddy gloves for it.
Oh, thank you. Damn, you hate to see it.
He’s my go-to for tech reviews. He’ll happily gush about what he likes, but he isn’t shy about what isn’t good.
Wait until people realize that it’s just ChatGPT.
We know it’s just ChatGPT (and Perplexity). That’s why we bought it. It’s just a fun frontend for a chat bot. That’s like the main point.
It’s more just a waste of resources. This thing has no reason to exist.
It’s the ‘this could have been an email’ of consumer devices.
Lol. “Why are you all happy?! Stop having fun!” I bought it and I’m satisfied with it. If you don’t see the appeal, that’s ok. Just don’t buy it.
It’ll be cool when the concept of “Large Action Model” works well. But def not worth it to tie your money to a single horse this early; a lot of people want that concept to work well, so I’m sure there’s a lot of work being done in that area. Rn I agree that it’s just a worse ChatGPT.
Anyone have a hacked APK? I wanna test it out.
It’s just chat gpt dude
Yeah that’s the function, playing around with it would still be fun though? Especially data mining and seeing what else there is apart from the LAM server leak.
So? I wanna fuck with their implementation of it.
How many android apps are designed by teenage engineering?
At least this one:
Yeah in the presentation of it was clearly idiotic. I often wonder how seriously these silicon valley people actually take themselves privately.
Don’t these people just pitch wild ideas constantly knowing it won’t work in the hopes they can live off of someone’s venture capital until they can end up with better jobs?
Fake it until you make it.
Big whoop. MediaTek eval kits offer either Linux or Android AOSP. Why is this news?
Dude, maybe it was meant to be a joke, but that doom picture is so fake. C’mon.
Well doom can run on a freaking pregnancy test. At that point if it had any kind of processor and a screen, it can run Doom.
I’m pretty sure that story was faked by putting a separate display in the shell of a pregnancy test. They don’t even have real displays usually, let alone a full reprogrammable microcontroller
it wasn’t faked, but it was very much a ship.of Theseus pregnancy test. They replaced the microcontroller with one they could program (it might have been the reprogrammable version of the same microcontroller. And the screen was replaced.
So it was faked. The ship of Theseus was still a ship with the same capabilities at the end. They didn’t add an engine to it.
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Some pregnancy test have a small LCD screen
His point still stands as the image in the thumbnail is as fake as it gets.
Ironically the fakeness is covering a thumbnail.
Hehe, thumbnail.
Technically you can’t call it “Android” without paying Google for certification and play store/gapps license. It’s AOSP.
Just so you know, AOSP is short for Android Open Source Project.
The term “Android” itself is trademarked and can’t be used by hardware manufacturers without passing certification and paying Google.
doesn’t mean it’s not running Android, they just cannot use it for marketing/branding 🥴
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They should just do it recursive like GNU and make it the AOSP stand for the “AOSP Open Source Project.”
These products male no sense on the age of smart phones. They will end up just being an app we download or free features of our phones at some point.
As a former Android developer, you can’t just do anything in an android app on a modern smartphone. The system is fighting you for resources the whole time. It makes sense to have something like this running as root on a device that you control.
Not that I’m sold on it, just saying…
Isn’t that more non standard implementations by OEMs? Because pixel and stock-ish Android devices don’t have such issues afaik.
I never really understood who these products were for. I can’t help but think the only end result is a small number of people getting rich off of VC money and some misguidedly optimistic folks getting ripped off by buying these devices.
I thought we always knew that the device was going to be Android.
It’s crazy you can just download and run it on any other android device though. I’d have thought they’d have locked it down somewhat.
