The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.
Republicans just projecting their own “the ends always justify the means” mindset onto their enemies.
They just refuse to understand that they’re the ones willing to sacrifice any and all values in the name of pyrrhic victory, and that not everyone is as morally bankrupt as them.
A lack of empathy will do that.
This is how/why they do things, so it must also be the same for everyone else.
Same reason they think everything is “virtue signaling.”
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Pre Antebelum Republicans.
I finally found that hot garbage dumpster fire smell I was so familiar with on Reddit. Just had to randomly bump into a post about politics.
Two possibilities: Either more people are buying into conspiracy theories or more people are declining to identify as Republicans which makes the percentage go up. I’m hopeful it’s the latter but fearful it’s the latter.
The laws and changes to the US in Biden’s time as a career politician have taken mine and other’s right to vote away. The Demopublicans are one party working towards the same goals the elitists set for them. No matter which “party” wins we the people lose.
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Election denial isn’t specifically a republican thing.
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Yes we are, the link was 10 minutes of democrats denying the results of several elections they lost.
Oh fuck off with your lies so obvious only a Republican could believe them.
Cant hear for yourself? BlueMAGA is deranged like MAGA
That’s an insane number for something they have zero evidence for.
Reminder that Steve Bannon frankly confessed Trump’s Start the Steal conspiracy plans to a group of Trump insiders before the election.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112138665/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript
…audio from Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, surfaced from October 31st, 2020, just a few days before the Presidential election.
Let’s listen. [Begin Videotape]
STEVE BANNON: And what Trump’s going to do is declare victory, right? He’s going to declare victory, but that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner. The Democrats — more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage and Trump’s going to take advantage — that’s our strategy.
He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm. Also — also if Trump is — if Trump is losing by 10 or 11:00 at night, it’s going to be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. If Biden’s wining, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.
Makes you wonder how many are religious.
69% of republicans say Biden’s win in 2020 is illegitimate. Democrats point to Russian interference in Trump’s 2016 election. Republicans claim Obama’s 2012 and 2008 win is illegitimate because he was born in Kenya (gee, even if that was true, McCain was born in Panama!). Democrats object to Bush’s 2004 win certification due to Diebold messing with machines in Ohio. Democrats claim Bush’s 2000 win was the result of Supreme court interference. Republicans try to overturn Clinton’s 1996 win with impeachment over a sexual affair. Republicans actually accept Clinton’s 1992 win.
The excuses may not compare, but I find it troubling that it has been 31 years since the loosing party actually accepted a loss as legitimate.
Ok but what if, now hear me out… the Democrats were correct about 2016 and 2000?
Plus this is the first I’ve heard of the 2004 issue vs hundreds of times hearing about 2016 and 2000.
With hundreds of millions of people in a country, there is a zero percent chance everybody accepts the truth, but unless I just missed something really big the 2004 election was not seriously contested. And no I’m not some kid who wasn’t around to hear about it. I was a news consuming adult even back then.
Feels like you were stretching to make a both sides argument.
I felt like trying to say Clinton’s impeachment was the R’s not accepting the legitimacy of his election was a stretch also. Seems OP is trying to make the facts fit his point.
Trump used 2004 as a starting point for Jan 6th, then added a riot. In order to stop the counting, you need a house and senate member to object to a particular vote (I’m actually in the house district of the guy who objected in 2020, and campaigned for his opponent). The concerns over vote switching were so bad in 2004 that most of the democratic states switched over to having paper trails. From what I remember, Ohio polling was constantly showing a Bush loss and the CEO of Diebold was running around saying “No, those are our machines, Bush will win”, and then Bush did.
Ok but what if, now hear me out… the Democrats were correct about 2016 and 2000?
Dunno about 2000, I was 4 years old, but 2016 was the typical action movie “evil foreign hackers hijacking our great 'Murrican democracy” thing, only told by Democrats. That is, as somebody living in Russia I can’t take this seriously.
Russian interference was proven to be true.
Not to mention, if you want to talk about a comically evil villain, invading Ukraine was a comically evil villain thing to do.
Proven by whom?
Not to mention, if you want to talk about a comically evil villain, invading Ukraine was a comically evil villain thing to do.
And how do you imagine that comical villain managing a much more complex operation?
NRA takes foreign money. NRA takes American donors money. NRA does gun education. NRA does political ads for Trump. It is illegal for foreign money to pay for political ads. NRA takes the Russian money, uses it to do gun education. NRA take the American donor’s money that was going to gun education and puts it towards Trump ads. Perfectly legal money laundering, but still Russian interference.
It’s not about interference, it’s about that interference being sufficient to call Trump’s victory a result of Russian interference. And if it’s logical OR of all inputs, then I’m sure you can call Biden’s victory the same.
Russian interference was proven in the Mueller report.
Bad faith trolls like to scream “the Mueller report exhonerated Trump” which is wrong. It concluded that Russian interference was real, and there was evidence of collision with the Trump campaign, but insufficient evidence to charge him of the crime.
Russia’s #1 export is misinformation troll farms. It’s really decided to make itself the shitstain of the entire planet.
Because everyone knows Russian citizens know everything their Putzin leader is up to. Too funny.
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not that there’s like mountains of evidence to prove that or anything /s
I vividly remember the 2004 voting machine issues. It was the first general election with widespread use of computerized voting software, in the wake of the 2000 election disaster, and there was a lot of evidence that the machines could be tampered with quite easily. I’m not sure if there is real evidence that they were actually tampered with, but the fact the machines were not open source and demonstrably falsifiable is in itself alarming.
I don’t recall any talk about the 2016 election being illegitimate. The results were horrifying obviously, and we were shocked the polls were so wrong, but actual fraud? I don’t think so.
Indeed, they’re not comparable and yet here you are making the comparison anyway.
Al Gore legitimately beat GWB in 2000.
Starting to think these habitual losers are tired of losing
Stop picking a loser party run by losers who have loser ideas, maybe?
Apples and oranges. The difference is that in only one instance did the losing candidate refuse to concede and peacefully transfer power to the winner.
Don’t forget to check out https://hereistheevidence.com/ which has a nice collection of dodgy things that happened for the election that was all but confirmed by Time here: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ that there was work going on in the background to “fortify” the result that they wanted.
And this is apparently the saviors of democracy.
A SAMPLE SIZE OF 1279*!! Get this bullshit out of here
And only 1047 even responded. No shit the crazy ones replied…
The rational Republicans left the party ages ago. Pretty sure George Will closed the door behind him on the way out.
When was that? 2016?
That Russian propaganda really coming back strong. They need Trump back in to get some kind of upper hand in Ukraine.
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In a way, they’re not wrong, but it’s because Trump would’ve sold them out in a heartbeat to Putin, not because he’s some sort of peacemaker or anything.
now do the % of repubs who think the earth is 5,000 years old. or the % that think russia is our ally.
The same people believe an imaginary being lives in the sky, that aliens are always visiting Earth, and that dinosaurs never existed.
Maybe we should start saying the dinosaurs were aliens…
So birds are aliens! Mind blown!!
