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The original was posted on /r/nostalgia by /u/Character-Emotion237 on 2024-05-02 22:39:26.
It was definitely more fun to play with. And easier to modify to your needs.
TranslucentTB for Win10 works great, the functionality is in the name.
I’m one of these people who turn off transparency effects at the earliest convenience. Everything else, fine, but don’t go changing even a single pixel of a window because of what’s behind it in an unrelated window. It’s distracting
Win98 club! (Or to be fair, WinXP)
I sure do the same, I wonder what the use is having a blurred blob moving behind your window?
This was the last version of Windows that I used though I liked the skinny Vista style toolbar better.
I love 7. It’s the last good version of Windows. I didn’t use Linux as much during the Win 7 years. Search still sucked though.
Strong agree
Yep, 7 was the last good version of Windows and the GUI is a big part of that.
When did it first start feeling warm? With the saccharine Windows XP?
CRTs, all the radiation /j
W7 was the last version where I felt like a normal user could have full control. I could do updates once a week without having to worry about setting safe hours. Settings weren’t duplicated and scattered across multiple locations and UI styles. As far as I remember there were very few un-uninstallable features, it was the OS and what ever the user wanted. No McAffee demo, Candy Crush, OneDrive, XBox, Spotify, etc.
Yep. It feels weird to be nostalgic for windows 7, but it was honestly not bad. I think the reason why the loss of aero glass feels cold and sterile is because it honestly is. The whole metro/material design thing is just garbage. I don’t want buttons that look like abstract squares, I want buttons that look like buttons. What brain-dead designer honestly likes minimal design over skeumorphism?
Brain-dead? I can’t take the rest of what you wrote seriously after that unnecessary qualifier.
Meh, I’m just really annoyed because modern design seems to be all about sucking life out of everything. It’s just all so flat and bland. I understand the arguments that it’s cleaner, less cluttered, less distracting, more efficient, etc. I just… it feels so… soulless.
I agree, I never really liked Metro and the minimalism of Material design doesn’t vibe with me either. It’s mostly a personal taste thing though, I know several others who do like minimalism.
About it being weird to be nostalgic for Windows 7, it’s not to me, but I think it has to do with how it was the last OS I used that didn’t involve either several awful bugs to the point of unusability (Windows 10) or requiring extensive knowledge of how the system works (Linux) to daily-drive it; so I guess I look at it fondly as the last time I was “computer-innocent”, so to say.
Skeumorphims is much harder to implement for varying screen sizes and resolutions. When windows 7 was first released the different screen resolutions and sizes was very limited.
I remember Windows was difficult to use if you dual booted it on a retina MacBook. Because it couldn’t handle the high pixel density well, many applications couldn’t be scaled properly.
Skeumorphism is also much less useful. People needed hints to help them understand what things did on their computer. Many people had limited interactions with computers, now almost everyone uses computers of some form daily (largely smartphones). The remaining skeumorphism can hinder them not help, they have no idea what a floppy disk is or why that would be a save symbol.
Skeumorphims is much harder to implement for varying screen sizes and resolutions. When windows 7 was first released the different screen resolutions and sizes was very limited.
Skeumorphism can scale, it’d just require procedural generation of assets. Granted, that can be pretty hardware intensive, but you could bake the assets for common screen sizes and include the procedural versions for future resolutions. Then again, you’d probably get people complaining about how their computer is slow for a minute or two after plugging it into a new display (because it’s baking new UI assets for the monitor’s resolution).
Hmmm…
Skeumorphism is also much less useful. People needed hints to help them understand what things did on their computer. Many people had limited interactions with computers, now almost everyone uses computers of some form daily (largely smartphones). The remaining skeumorphism can hinder them not help, they have no idea what a floppy disk is or why that would be a save symbol.
Yeah, but it’s kinda the designer’s role to find new ways of visually explaining things to people while updating existing design language to account for changes in technology, culture, etc. If a floppy disk is so outdated that it confuses people when it’s used to symbolize saving files, then they need to find a new icon to symbolize that.
Also, to be clear, I’m not against buttons having text labels to go with them (e.g. if the button’s function is difficult to convey in an image), I honestly just want buttons to look like buttons. I’m tired of all the abstract, minimalist design. I want things to look “real” again.
Edit: an example of where procedural asset generation is widely, commercially used is video games. Believe it or not, but most game textures nowadays are procedurally generated and then baked/rasterized before being imported into a game engine. Substance Designer and Painter (material creation and texture painting, respectively) both use procedural workflows which allows them to generate textures at practically any resolution without any additional effort. The only reason why you can’t tell a game to generate 8k textures is because they’re usually baked before being imported into the game engine.
Not related to your point, but I would argue that computer usage is actually down today compared to when 7 was released, as computer literacy is proving to be more of an issue for generations younger than Millenials entering the workforce compared to generations older than Millenials. And that’s because smartphones work differently from laptops and desktops. The UI and how you interact with your phone is fundamentally different enough to make the skills not interchangeable. I worked with kids in their first jobs for a number of years, and many didn’t have a computer in their house because they did everything from their phones.
Especially at the time, and even somewhat still today, it saves bandwidth on virtual connections. Some places run thousands of virtual desktops for their users.
I liked Aero better, too
Counter-point, you could do that with skeumorphism via procedural generation by sending the base algorithms instead of icons and then rendering the icons client-side. It’s already done to a limited extent when it comes to games. Substance Designer and Painter are industry standards when it comes to creating textures and materials, and they can generate textures with resolutions anywhere from 128x128 to 8192x8192 without requiring any additional effort due to their procedural workflow. Granted, the textures are usually “baked” before actually being imported into the game engine, which is why you can’t tell a game to generate 8k textures (the game only has the rasterized textures, not the original procedural ones); however, the technology is already kinda there. That said, it can be hardware intensive, but it could be done.
Counter-point, you could do that with skeumorphism via procedural generation by sending the base algorithms instead of icons and then rendering the icons client-side
This is actually pretty close to what macOS does.
They were trying to unify their desktop and tablet UIs (touch-driven) which itself was fucking stupid since people interact with them totally differently.
I remember having a Wacom usb tablet at the time, and Windows kept slapping a virtual keyboard in the middle of my screen. It was infuriating, to say the least.
I’m no designer (although I might be brain-dead), but I prefer minimalist UI over skeumorphism.
I like them in different places. I minimalism in car screens because the focus should be the physical interior. But skeumorphism is way better for usability on a PC.
But also win 7 had little to do with skeumorphism
Perhaps could be considered “frosted glass?”
Frutiger Aero is commonly used to describe it
From what I’ve read, Frutiger Aero is considered to be a form of skeumorphism, or at least skeumorphic-adjacent.
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Damn I missed NT 4’s clean style back then…
Eh, I was being hyperbolic when I probably shouldn’t have been. It just feels very lifeless to me. I understand the arguments for it, it just feels soulless and lifeless.
It’s perfect to reflect the soulless company from wence it spawned.
You want your computer to have soul?
Yep. It feels weird to be nostalgic for windows 7
IMO, not really, since I stuck with it until 2020, and would be on it to this day if it was a sane option. Microsoft knew how to do it right. And then, quite a while ago, they stopped.
Also fuck the people using resolution as an excuse against skeumorphism, when Windows 95 screenshots look just fine today. Monitors are bigger and pixels are smaller and this 16-color garbage still reads clear as day.
what if i told you you can have this on linux?
Looks like it hasn’t been updated in 4 years. While KDE supports theming, I wish they focused on it more
Edit: Looks like the Github for it was updated last year. Maybe it’s worth seeing the KDE 6 compatibility
I ♥️ KDE
I like the UI on Windows 11. It feels more modern and sleek than previous versions.
I had good times with windows 7. It felt good.
But my heart was with the tonka-toy hot mess of XP and themed winamp skins.
One of the main reasons I bailed to Linux is that I got so bored of staring at 10s functional but personality-less interface (which struggled even within it’s own constraints to provide a useable darkmode and a non-eye-searing bright mode).
And now I have simple, but human. It’s like wearing a tailored suit rather than one off the rack, and in this drawn out analogy, I think XP was like having fun in the dress up box at the back of a charity store.
Winamp
Winamp!
Winamp!
It really kicks the lamas ass. bbaaeheheh
8/8.1 still had a unique, warm vibe to them tbh
I preferred it over 7 when using a start menu replacement. The changes to the control panel were generally quite good too.
Have to agree.