Why? Cash money! The Orange Turd and Traitor is a fucking Russian FSB agent. When he was yapping about his trade war with the EU, the German police raided the Deutsche Bank HQ in Frankfurt looking for documents tracing Russian money flowing through Cyprus. Guess who received a loan from Deutsche Bank? The Orange Turd and Traitor. I’m certain Chancellor Merkel called Don, told him STFU about a trade war with the EU or the information gets released.
The loan from Justice Anthony Kennedy’s son? Yeah.
If anyone thinks that the CIA and deep state is still secretly controlling the United States, picking the leaders, influencing media to present only the narrative that they want to see presented… well, now you got your answer. They’re not. If they were, every single TV news show every single night would be running stories about this kind of thing, and good things Biden has done, and associates of Trump who need to be in prison who aren’t yet.
The irony is that some version of that influence and control campaign actually is happening now, on behalf of other countries, on social media. Their propaganda is getting presented front and center and getting tons of traction, and the US is in the unusual position of playing catch up on the influencing-mass-opinion game.
I say the CIA never had any meaningful domestic power. They were a convenient place for J Edgar Hoover to point at when he didn’t want scrutiny on his agency and the secret nature of their work in addition to the considerable power of the FBI under Hoover kept them from defending themselves.
George HW Bush was director of the CIA before President, but i guess that doesnt count as meaningful enough for you?
It doesn’t count as the CIA. When HW became President, HE had the power, not the CIA.
Carter: Tell me about the UFOs.
Bush the I: not until you make me CIA director for life.
Carter: That’s not happening.
Bush the I: sucks to be you then. click
Since we’re big fans of attributing causation to correlation here, he was also captain of his HS varsity baseball team, and I think that’s what really got him the presidency.
And before that, his family got rich aiding the Nazis.
He was also Vice President to a very popular President immediately before being elected. I think that had more to do with his becoming President than his time as director of the CIA.
I say the CIA never had any meaningful domestic power.
crack epidemic?
I feel there’s an element in the CIA that’s totally OK with Trump being in power, because it means they get everything green-lit (or Trump simply handwaves them gaining semi-autonomy again, like the bad old days). Remember, the years where they could simply launch a completely unauthorized coup in a foreign country are still within living memory, and well within institutional memory, and I’m sure there’s enough spooks that absolutely want that sort of power back.
Remember, the years where they could simply launch a completely unauthorized coup in a foreign country are still within living memory, and well within institutional memory, and I’m sure there’s enough spooks that absolutely want that sort of power back.
I thought that was within living memory because that shit was still happening right now, and they just tend to declassify shit that’s like 50 years old that they don’t care about anymore, so that’s why we only ever hear about the ones that happened 50 years ago.
I think it’s more like the CIA is just running a completely different game. They wouldn’t dare want to bring any attention to themselves. The last thing they want is national scrutiny, even if it begins with the public on their side all it does is open the door for more probes and questions about where their money goes and what they’ve been doing.
Can we get some sources for this?
The picture right up there duh
the source is that some random person said it
du-uh, some people
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And the so called patriots are cheering him on. What a world we live in.
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I dunno, it seems to be in UK, AUS, NZ and India as well.
Those who are pleased to describe themselves as patriots are, almost every man jack of them the most self-aggrandising, vacuous, cruel, and dishonourable villains ever to fold a protein.
Just in case anybody doesn’t know, and really just for the fun of saying it, the reason he’d help putin is that putin most likely has a recording of trump having sex with underage russian girls… also something about getting peed on as well.
Non-“presidential” material, in any case.
To give Trump a bit of credit, I cannot see his ego being willing to suck a dick as hard as he’s sucking the russian’s without there being an absolute need to stoop that low. But maybe he’s just a grade A POS instead of the second-rate hack he appears to be.
I don’t think the pee tape exists, and I think the dirt Putin has is much less juicy.
I think Trump is getting out of debt, and literally nothing else. He’s an easy man to buy. He’s pathetically simple and mercantile in his approach to diplomacy, for lack of a better word, and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how to manipulate him.
Trump owes Russian Banks money, Putin is willing to make the payments if Trump is compliant, that’s all it takes for Trump to commit treason.
For the record, the rumor is that he watched prostitutes pee on the bed that Obama slept on when he visited.
Using prostitutes to get important people in compromising situations is a well worn KGB trick and obviously standard practice for Russia to put recording equipment anywhere they think they can get away with it.
So really the question is whether you think it’s plausible Trump would want to watch such a thing or at least be ok with staying in the room while it happened. If he was there, it was almost certainly done by prostitutes and almost certainly recorded.
Is that any worse than stuff he’s actually done? I don’t see why he’d care about this particular instance of being a thunder cunt.
You’re assuming under age as in mid teens. I’m pretty sure we’re talking prepubescent.
mid teens would still be pedophillia though, so.
Yes but that’s not how the media refers to it. You’ll notice that the media often refers to “underage women” when referring to teenagers. But you can’t do that when the girls are still in primary school.
well i mean, underage would be a general term referring to people under the age of 18, so that makes sense. Unless they’re children i would kind of expect that to be the case. Nobody refers to children as “under aged individuals” we refer to them as children lol, and teens aren’t generally considered to be children.
This is my favorite kind of conspiracy theory
I don’t think its outlandish to believe Trump - a man notorious for surrounding himself with gadflies and sycophants - would suck up some FSB assets while populating his administration. And a personal meeting with the Russian President would be the perfect opportunity for an intelligence hand-off.
“Donald Trump wrote a list of CIA agents on his arm with a sharpie and showed it to Putin at the meeting” is goofy bullshit. But “someone in Trump’s administration used their proximity to the President to harvest names from unredacted reports and feed them to the Kremlin in exchange for cash/favors/blackmail” is very easy to believe.
Hell, its not too difficult to believe moles existed in Obama, Bush, and Clinton administrations, either (or that the CIA has moles in the Kremlin). These are two of the most sophisticated and well-financed intelligence networks in the world. And guys like Yeltsin and Trump were both gullible rubes with deep mob connections who would be prime targets for this kind of infiltration.
Remember as well, trump’s business ties (the only kind of ties he pays attention to -such as it is) in russia go back forty years. He’s been there a lot. He’s tied into their mafias in more than ten ways. It’s not just vanilla doing-what-putin-wants, it’s a decades-long operation.
Remember as well, trump’s business ties (the only kind of ties he pays attention to -such as it is) in russia go back forty years.
The fixation on the ties as “Russian” are misplaced, as they’re largely via the New York mafia and attendant money laundering banks. I would look more towards the Steve Bannons and Zachary Fuentes’s, were I to be looking for folks leaking to the FSB.
It’s not just vanilla doing-what-putin-wants, it’s a decades-long operation.
Trump pretty famously doesn’t pay well, which means a lot of his staff ultimately need to be on the take in order to make working for Trump profitable. And its not in any way unique to Vlad.
Abso-fuckin-lutely, it’s completely believable.
Basically if Trump wins the US will be more or less a vassal state to Russia.
That is a possibility at least, however remote.
If you were Putin, you’d be doing everything in your power to make sure Trump wins.
This is why they should not keep a NOC list
To be fair we were led to believe getting hands on the info would require Ethan Hunt skillz, Instead of how it is in the real world where you just pay a fat lazy greedy clown and he hands it to you.
I was about to say “Holy shit, that’s impressive. I need a source for that” and you got one ready. Good job, OP!
This is just one of meetings that happened before the mentioned time frame (still bad though).
Here’s what I found when trying to check it:
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1UR36H/ (note this, like many other of his meetings with putin, was posted first by Russian media and our media reported based on their reporting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/19/white-house-isnt-worried-about-telling-public-who-trump-is-talking-when/).
I got a paywall, how do you view the archive version of this?
Thank you!
Why then wouldn’t the CIA just whack Trump like they did Kennedy?
Citation needed. But not wanted.
It’s impossible to prove because the CIA has the means to cover it’s tracks, but there are circumstantial reasons to think that’s what happened. At the most basic level:
- CIA directer and founder Allen Dulles, who’s job involved assassinating world leaders around the world, had a major dispute with Kennedy not long before the assassination, which led to Dulles getting fired.
- Despite the conflict of interests, Dulles was on the investigative committee into Kennedy’s assassination.
- Said investigation involved all kinds of “mistakes,” including breaches in the chain of custody of key evidence (the bullet).
The intelligence community had both means and motive to commit the assassination, and the ability to cover their tracks. That’s not enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, but it is enough to establish a reasonable possibility, especially considering the absence of serious, compelling evidence.
Is it falsifiable? Or is all evidence that it’s not true actually fodder for a bigger conspiracy that eventually triggers 1-e^tφ via Grimes’ conspiracy collapse theory?
Theoretically, sure it’s falsifiable. Practically speaking, not really. Intelligence communities, not just of the US but also of any country, objectively have more capability to hide the truth than an average citizen has to expose it, especially when they have decades to have covered it up.
If I write a word on a piece of paper and then burn the paper, then I would have a belief about what was written on it, but that belief would not be practically falsifiable because no evidence exists to prove what was on it. Science cannot reconstruct everything that has ever happened everywhere.
The reason falsifiability is a standard in science is because science is concerned with making accurate predictions about the future. My broader theory is that the intelligence community was acting and continues to act according to it’s own agenda, wielding significant power that isn’t adequately checked by the civilian government. That’s definitely falsifiable. I predict that first off, no president will act against the interests in a significant, meaningful way, and if they did, they would die, and high ranking members of the intelligence community would be placed on the investigative committee and find themselves innocent. If that didn’t play out that way, it wouldn’t definitively prove that that didn’t happen with Kennedy because circumstances could have changed, but it would make it much less plausible (strict falsifiability isn’t really how science generally operates, theories just become less likely until they’re not worth considering).
They arent nearly as fucken nuts as they once were, that was the same era where they were dosing eachother with LSD.
When did they stop being nuts and what happened to cause it?
They grew old and died.
So nothing changed institutionally, and the people now still have the power to do all the stuff the older generation did, and choose not to because they just happen to be better people?
I’m guessing this supposed change happened right around the time when documents would be too recent to be declassified, yeah?
I’d argue it’s a result of the wider world figuring out how crazy they were and thus being subject to more scrutiny. Also, changing attitudes: there’s not quite the “nuclear war is imminent and we’re all going to die” mindset.
All that, combined with it being easier to get away with the “loud and crazy” things because information was easier to control before the internet.
Are they subject to more scrutiny? What oversight do they have now that they didn’t have then? What protections do whistleblowers have when they come out? What consequences do they face if illegal activities are exposed?
Not all of their shady activity was “loud and crazy.” The CIA covered up their involvement in Operation Ajax, the 1953 coup against Iran’s peaceful and democratic government, until 2013. There are countless examples like that.
I’m not saying they stopped doing fucked up shit. I’m saying they stopped doing weird fucked up shit.
They could just stare at him like they did with goats.
Maybe that megalomania didn’t get handed down.
Yawn
The absolute devastation to peace in Western Europe if this fuckwad wins in November. WW3 incoming
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Twat
I didn’t say anything about their culture, it would persist or even strengthen with a war. Deterioration of peace is scary though
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Don’t be a twat. The russians are obliterating entire towns for literally no reason other than Putin wants more territory. They’ll rape and torture their way across the whole continent if they’re not stopped.
Western European culture isn’t perfect but it’s a lot better than blind obedience to the tzar. If you love Russia so much, fucking move there. Who knows maybe you can help take chasiv year and your tzar will reward you with plenty of babies to rape.
Do you sign up to be first in line?
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Nah if it starts you’re going to be among the targets
I promise the world will make more sense when you grow up.
i guess we should obliterate the eastern europeans as well. They haven’t seen one in a while, i think they might be over due in terms of cultural evaporation by now.
He’s checks notes creating jobs!
Creating job openings***
Couldn’t we also get the translator on the US side to talk?
The translator was specifically barred from attending. By trump.
Fuck Trump and fuck the CIA. The world would be better off if both completely stopped existing.
