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Right cuz that’s why people work til 65. Totally just a choice/s
According to my kids:
0-30 is young.
31-60 is middle aged.
61-90 is old.
Over 90 is fucking old.
Fuck. I’m really middle aged aren’t I…
You and me both Obi.
I’m just about to get old LOL
How fucking old are your kids for them to say that? Real kids would definitely say that 25 is approaching retirement age.
Youngest is 17, oldest is 31. But it was the younger ones when they were around 10 - I think they were just mathematically calculating the middle third. I’m almost in their “old” category now and think that because (fit) people are aging more slowly than past generations middle age is stretching out, if you are defining it as able bodied and working. That stretches it to like 75 for some people. I don’t think over 30 is “young” though, so if there are only 3 categories it’s middle aged, and no way is 75 not old, if you are fit, healthy, and working at that age you are a fit old person.
And who can’t rock a bikini at 30? WTF, where do you live?
And who can’t rock a bikini at 30? WTF, where do you live?
Yeah, wtf are these comments saying “many people have been nursing back problems for years by their 30th birthday” lmfao. Like what world do they live in? Realistically though, they’re probably 12 and think 30 is ancient.
Different generation. My dads generation had 8 kids and more banned chemicals plus decades of being hit by cars and falling out of trucks.
Same, even when I was in Jr High I thought people about to graduate college were old and may well be middle aged compared to me.
All kids are real kids. Maybe the kids you know are just dumber than this guys kids 😂
The whole point of calling somebody “middle-aged” is that they’re in that indeterminate space where they definitely aren’t young anymore, but they aren’t like, old, old, yet, basically they’re still able-bodied enough to hold down a job.
Not one. Not the other. Somewhere in the middle. Middle-aged.
30 isn’t so old, but it depends hard on the person in question, some are still in great shape, but many 30-year-olds have been nursing a back problem and/or jacked knees for years by the time the birthday comes, they sure as hell don’t feel young. Some 30s haven’t had kids yet, some of them have kids in middle school. So that averages out, and we onboard you to this shitty party at 30. If you can still rock the swimwear at 30, do it, and don’t take it for granted.
For the record, we don’t care what children think old is. Children are insane.
According to some module I had to take yesterday, 18-44 is “young adult” and 45 to something is “middle aged.”
Awshit. I’m nearly middle-aged then.
Thanks for starting my day with giving me a midlife crisis.
Brah, I kinda figure education that was for you didn’t count … If it helps
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37 isn’t middle-aged? I had no idea!
God where is the next season already
We should be retiring at 50. This is bullshit.
Women in China retire at age 50, men at 60
really? that seems unsustainable, but would explain a few things I suppose.
Unsustainable??? Have you seen how many people there is in China? They could probably retire at 30 and still have enough people to fill in the jobs.
China has a bad ratio of young people to old people. They have a lot of people, but as the population ages there will be fewer working people supporting more retired people. It’s not just about money either. There are a finite number of nurses or caretakers in a country at any given time, so it will mean higher ratio of people needing care to those able to give it. It’s a complex issue that almost every country is going to be dealing with more in the future, but China will probably feel it more than average.
Keep in mind China has a much tighter family structure where children look after their elderly parents (and often live under the same roof), and in return grandparents provide free childcare so both parents are able to work full time. Nursing homes are not incredibly common but it might become a bigger problem as more and more young people move away from their family in the countryside to work in the bigger cities.
how are retirement plans in china? are they good?
Pretty good. My mum’s living in Shanghai (most populous city in China) and has been a pensioner for 20 years. It’s enough money to get by and now that she’s 70 she also receives monthly coupons for her neighbourhood canteen (although food is already very cheap)
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We should be building a society where the concept of retiring is alien because the entire point of living isn’t to work.
RIGHT???
because the entire point of living isn’t to work.
But the point of living is simply to survive and procreate. There’s no innate requirement of “living” to be not working… we worked hard for thousands of years just killing things to eat.
It is. We are chasing an egregore all the while destroying our planet. We need a mentality change, one that realizes we never removed ourselves from the same rat race for survival the rest of the life on this planet is in. We act like we are above our ecosystems, we are not. If our main focus was something else besides money, we might make it. But if we are only chasing the dragon, we will follow it to our deaths.
That is almost impossible. Even if we had machines and robots, there will always be the necessity for people to work
Do you mean this as in robots cannot do it all? Because I’m pretty sure they soon will be able to. Or do you mean it in that humans need challenges to make their lives feel complete? Because I would agree with that.
I meant the first one. Someone will have to create/update/maintain robots.
For awhile they will. But still, that would mean one engineer could handle several restaurants, for example. We won’t have nearly enough jobs for all the people, unless we invent some busy work. Maybe that’s what pumping gas jobs in certain states always has been though 🤔.
I didn’t say nobody would have to work. I said that working shouldn’t be the point of life. This mentality that we are all stuck in should not be the defacto modus operandi of our society. What is the purpose of all of this if not to set us free from the mundane? What is the point of any of this if it is not to square the circle? Might as well have never climbed down from the trees if we are not reaching for infinity.
There are many people for who working isn’t the meaning of life.
And I said that it is almost impossible because there will always work to be done
No shit, but at one point we are gonna have to stop extorting each other to work. At some point our society is going to have to actually care for us. So we can stop producing people who seek money and start producing people who advance our species.
You can retire at any age you want lol. Most people didn’t live in their means nor did they save for retirement starting at 18/22. This was possible 30 years ago. These days? Not so much.
It doesn’t mean you can’t leverage it way better than most though. Starting a Roth IRA saves more money than even paying off your house loan in half the time. That’s saving an extra $70,000 for most. Putting into retirement early triples that lol.
Compound interest via stock/bonds is a bullshit money generating hack made up by rich people to get richer though. The poors literally get their dregs from riding on their coattails then acting like they invested well. Nobody wants to admit that you should be able to retire indefinitely by what amounts to hoarding above a certain dollar threshold though lol.
I just want wages to increase to a point where people with a decent education can afford a home without any major financial stress.
It’s not normal to have professionals with bachelor’s degrees not being able to afford a home.
Wr should be able to retire whenever we want. Fuck work.
If you have enough money then ya
I’m scared shitless that I will make it to 100.
This. No one realizes that your probably not gonna make it to 100 in perfect health. If your body doesn’t go, it will be your mind. Either way, it does not sound appealing.
If nothing else, the arthritis has gotten so bad, you wanna off yourself anyways.
Hard pass.
I don’t wanna get to the point where it seems miserable just to, like, walk or something. I don’t mind taking heart medication, walking with a cane, stuff like that, but I don’t wanna live in near constant agony just trying to get through the day.
I’m 37 and already broken.
My back is killing me, the sciatica makes sitting down hard. My ankle is fucked from too many injuries doing shit like tough mudder because when you’re young you’re invincible. Top that off with an immune disorder and asthma and it’ll be a miracle if I make it to 50 with a good quality of life.
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My grandpa died at 93 and would say, “people aren’t meant to live this long.” His wife is now 102, she doesn’t seem too pleased, but has her good days and bad. But she doesn’t remember the good days, so that sucks.
Rather than losing my loved ones, I think I’d be more scared of losing my love for them. Either via a cold heart or dementia.
When you put it like that, yeah, that’s how it’s going. My mom visits often (she has been told that my grandma gets more visits than most, and most don’t get any at all). However, because her mom either doesn’t remember, or doesn’t understand that everyone is trying to help and doing the best they can, she gets upset. She’ll often say how she doesn’t want to live where she’s at and asks why she can’t live with one of them. If people tell her something she doesn’t want to hear, she’ll hang up on them. She says she wants to go home, though I’m not sure where she thinks that is. Her sister took her in for a year or two, but it was too much. She ended up leaving in an ambulance after falling on her 100th birthday. Recently she told my sister she was happy when living at her house, which hurt to hear, but was also not entirely true. I think it’s been hard for everyone, but hardest on my mom… and my sister when she was living there.
I don’t think her heart is cold, it’s more the dementia stealing all the good times, hurting her ability to understand what’s going on, and her hearing making it difficult to communicate.
I want her to live forever, but if I’m being really honest, I think everyone will feel a weight off their shoulders when she does pass. We thought it was going to happen a few years ago after a bad fall. We were all at the hospital basically waiting for her to die, as she had a fractured spine and internal bleeding, but no one told her and she wanted to walk again and go home… and that’s exactly what she did. She’s tough as nails and I think she’s too stubborn to die, lol. It’s pretty crazy that a 102 year old lady who’s probably not even 5 feet tall and under 100lbs is the strongest person I’ve known, but it’s true.
Dementia scares me too. I’ve seen it with two people now. It’s like they’re living in dreams all the time. Turn a corner or something changes and it’s a whole different scenario and you don’t know what’s going on.
I get night terrors. Some dreams seriously feel like they last for days and it’s next to impossible to wake up. Living like that 24/7 at the end of my life sounds horrifying.
You should try drugs
Which ones? I feel like I’ve tried them all
all?
That seems unwise.
My twenties were rough
Mine too but luckily I managed to leave some a mystery.
Ok that’s fair. I’ve never done heroin.
Me neither! Always knew that was one I did not want anything to do with.
there’s far more addictive opiates available these days anyway.
drugs, you say? hmm mmm…
Waaay ahead of you there, partner!
My entire life I heard 40 is middle aged because life expectancy is somewhere around 80. 40 is when the mid-life crisis starts happening as well.
Since when do people think 50 is middle-aged? To me it’s always been 30-something years old
Apparently getting pregnant at 35 is considered a geriatric pregnancy, so that’s what I’ve always considered mid life.
I’m guess it’s the people who don’t want to admit they’re middle aged and try to kick the can down the road.
Same here. For me, 40 is middle aged, since 80 is the normal age to die. Sure, some die earlier and others later, but once you reach 20 (i.e. discounting the premature deaths), the average woman reaches 81 and the average male 78 or so.
I don’t disagree, but people get confused by average lifespan because it includes babies that die. If you live to 60, in the USA you’re expected to live another 21.4 years (almost 82). https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/05/long-life-does-not-always-mean-a-healthy-life-in-old-age.html
And that number is still an average. But I get it, 50 still isn’t the middle.
People don’t understand what life expectancy means, specifically because 99% of the time, people are talking about life expectancy at birth. What life expectancy st birth means is that half the babies are going to be dead before X years (in the case of OP picture that mean half are going to die before reaching 73 yo), so yeah, the majority of people is going to be 50 yo at some point of their life.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
And interestingly 38-39 is when your expected remaining is your age.
Avg life span is 80+ in most countries…
I thought 50 was the middle of your adult life, 20-80 ish years old
This was my understanding as well.
I like the energy, but this is still a dumb take, even if it’s common. Where TF did the idea that middle= midpoint come from? So does “middle age” last just an instant?
We have young, and elderly, so what do we call the span in the middle when you’re neither of those?
So, what’s the average life expectancy of people who live past the age of 30?
Honestly I would be more inclined to ask the median life expectancy of those that live past 30.
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Great question. Looks like the CDC says it’s 78.4 ,(48.4 more years expected at age 30 in one of the PDF charts liked to that page).
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Wow, that table is super interesting. They broke that down way more than I thought they would.
