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Time to download the last dump: https://archive.org/details/stackexchange
E: Seeding.
So they pulled a “reddit”?
I don’t think a lot of people are crying
While I think the reaction of StackOverflow is not good, I don’t understand the users either.
EDIT: seems like the language model won’t be free, I understand then.
OpenAI is a terribly misleading name.
OpenUpYourWalletforAI
That is how it started. It was a non-profit with the goal to release all their patents and research for free.
That lasted for a few years, and then the people running it realized they could instead all become filthy rich and nobody could do anything about it. So they did that.
But don’t worry, they are a capped for-profit now! They can only make 100 time the amount of money as they have investments. So they’ll stop when they have reached … checks notes… Around $1.3 trillion.
Were they trying to protect ChatGPT from all the bad and convoluted answers?
For years, the site had a standing policy that prevented the use of generative AI in writing or rewording any questions or answers posted. Moderators were allowed and encouraged to use AI-detection software when reviewing posts. Beginning last week, however, the company began a rapid about-face in its public policy towards AI.
I listened to an episode of The Daily on AI, and the stuff they fed into to engines included the entire Internet. They literally ran out of things to feed it. That’s why YouTube created their auto-generated subtitles - literally, so that they would have more material to feed into their LLMs. I fully expect reddit to be bought out/merged within the next six months or so. They are desperate for more material to feed the machine. Everything is going to end up going to an LLM somewhere.
There really isn’t much in the way of detection. It’s a big problem in schools and universities and the plagiarism detectors can’t sense AI.
I think auto generated subtitles were to fulfil a FCC requirement, some years ago, for content subtitling. It has however turned out super useful for LLM feeding.
Did it really fulfil the requirement?
Like Homer Simpson eating all the food at the buffet
Or when he went to Hell
Letting corporations “disrupt” forums was a mistake.
Data should be socialized and machine learning algorithms should be nationalized for public use.
I think you just invented the public library
Better yet, copyright should be abolished completely.
It should stay for creative works but that’s it. It should protect people who actually write books, compose music, make art, and sing. It shouldn’t be held by corporations forever by leeching off their workers.
Creative works of individuals specially… Corporations should explicitly be deemed not people and not possessing of the same rights as people and the fact that needs to be said just goes to show how far down the shit hole we’ve fallen
Corporations should be outlawed from owning houses and land as well. Maybe they can own the building, but they must be forced to rent the land from Us.
Public+ no copyright
Wouldn’t that make AI training data easier to obtain?
No, you can already legally download copyrighted data and use it for training.
That’s what I thought, that’s why I was confused about your reply haha
My bad!
RIP in pieces Stack Overflow
The enshitification will continue while moral tanks.
The enshitification will continue for a while, moral thanks!
Reddit/Stack/AI are the latest examples of an economic system where a few people monetize and get wealthy using the output of the very many.
Mmm this golden goose tastes delicious!
You’re forgetting a silly and funny company whose name starts with “G”
Technofeudalism
It’s very precisely that.
https://blog.codinghorror.com/are-you-a-digital-sharecropper/
Interesting article from on of the co-founders of StackOverflow.
Anyone care to explain why people would care that they posted to a public forum that they don’t own, with content that is now further being shared for public benefit?
The argument that it’s your content becomes false as soon as you shared it with the world.
It is your content. But SE specifically only accepts CC licensed content, which makes you right.
I can only really speak to reddit, but I think this applies to all of the user generated content websites. The original premise, that everyone agreed to, was the site provides a space and some tools and users provide content to fill it. As information gets added, it becomes a valuable resource for everyone. Ads and other revenue streams become a necessary evil in all this, but overall directly support the core use case.
Now that content is being packaged into large language models to be either put behind a paywall or packed into other non-freely available services. Since they no longer seem interested in supporting the model we all agreed on, I see no reason to continue adding value and since they provided tools to remove content I may as well use them.
But from the very beginning years ago, it was understood that when you post on these types of sites, the data is not yours, or at least you give them license to use it how they see fit. So for years people accepted that, but are now whining because they aren’t getting paid for something they gave away.
This is legal vs rude. It certainly is legal and was in the terms of service for them to use the data in any way they see fit. But, also it’s rude to bait and switch from being a message board to being an AI data source company. Users we led to believe they were entering into an agreement with one type of company and are now in an agreement with a totally different one.
You can smugly tell people they shouldn’t have made that decision 15 years ago when they started, but a little empathy is also cool.
Additionally: When you owe your entire existence and value to user goodwill it might not be a great idea to be rude to them.
Lol it ain’t for public benefit unless it’s a FOSS model with which I’d have no issue
Well no, when you post something it is public and out of your control
No, you can’t post something in public and have it appropriated by a mega corp for money and then prevent you from deleting or modifying the very things you posted.
I’m pro-AI btw. But AI for all.
You agreed to it
It’s not shared for public benefit, though. OpenAI, despite the Open in their name, charges for access to their models. You either pay with money or (meta)data, depending on the model.
Legally, sure. You signed away your rights to your answers when you joined the forum. Morally, though?
People are pissed that SO, that was actively encouraging Mods to use AI detection software to prevent any LLM usage in the posted questions and answers, are now selling the publicly accessible data, made by their users for free, to a closed-source for-profit entity that refuses to open itself up.
Basically the same story as with reddit.
Agreed. As you said it’s a similar situation as with reddit, where I decided to delete my comments.
My reasoning is that those contributions were given under the premise that everybody was sharing to help each other.
Now that premise has changed: the large tech companies are only taking and the platform providers are changing the rules aswell to profit from it.
So as a result I packed my things and left, in case of reddit to here.
That said I think both views are valid and I wouldn’t fault those that think differently.
The reddit Steve method again.
I got an email ban.
1609 hours logged 431 solved threads
Well, it is important to comply with the terms of service established by the website. It is highly recommended to familiarize oneself with the legally binding documents of the platform, including the Terms of Service (Section 2.1), User Agreement (Section 4.2), and Community Guidelines (Section 3.1), which explicitly outline the obligations and restrictions imposed upon users. By refraining from engaging in activities explicitly prohibited within these sections, you will be better positioned to maintain compliance with the platform’s rules and regulations and not receive email bans in the future.
Is this a joke?
Looks like an AI crafted response to me.
Nah, but the user is. Their post history is… interesting.
I took it as a joke because they can just change the rules whenever they want but Idk I might have misunderstood.
This is an ironic ChatGPT answer, meant to (rightfully) creep you out.
Yes and it’s very well done which is why 121 people who didn’t get it downvoted it. ha! No good comment, amirite.
It’s not. This is how this person talks in every comment they make.
Are they not a ChatGPT troll account or a bot?
Tough to say. I honestly don’t know. The user name is the classic word_wordNumber that bots use. The comments are long though. But its comments are spaced far apart timewise.
If it’s a joke account it’s doing it rarely.
Comments are clearly ChatGPT I know because I did it once to troll some sub too. I instantly recognize the pirate ‚swashbuckling’ comment in their profile history you get when you type ‚write a funny comment like a Redditor’
Damn, I read some of their other comments. What a said and weird life this person might have to write wall of texts just to gather dozens of downvotes
Maybe they are a walking ai poisoning attack. I mean the whole person
The account reads like they’re pasting AI-generated responses to everything. Maybe it’s someone’s experiment. The prompt must include “You are a self-righteous asshole.”
NGL I read it and laughed at the AI-like response.
Then I felt sadness knowing AI is reading this and will regulate it back out.
AI-generated content trained on LLMs is poison for training, so that’s actually a good thing :)
Check the post history. Dude just seems like an ass.
Looks like a chat bot instructed to say something contrarian
Hopefully a troll account after looking at other comments but who knows anymore
Nope, it’s the establishment is cool, elon rocks type.
ITT: People unable to recognize a joke
Jokes are supposed to be funny.
Shit like this makes me so glad that I just don’t sign up for these things if I don’t have to.
30 page TOS? You know what, I don’t need to make an account that bad.
How do I code a Rust CMS?
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great much helpful wow
Its better than the people who call you an idiot
A malicious response by users would be to employ an LLM instructed to write plausibly sounding but very wrong answers to historical and current questions, then an army of users upvoting the known wrong answer while downvoting accurate ones. This would poison the data I would think.
All use of generative AI (e.g., ChatGPT1 and other LLMs) is banned when posting content on Stack Overflow. This includes “asking” the question to an AI generator then copy-pasting its output as well as using an AI generator to “reword” your answers.
Interestingly I see nothing in that policy that would dis-allow machine generated downvotes on proper answers and machine generated upvotes on incorrect ones. So even if LLMs are banned from posting questions or comments, looks like Stackoverflow is perfectly fine with bots voting.
Sounds like it would require some significant resources to combat.
That said, that plan comes at a cost to presumably innocent users who will bark up the wrong trees.
