~500 comments about our instance and admins in the past week. Talk about needing to touch some grass…

  • @Default_Defect@midwest.social
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    381 year ago

    Drama like this is exactly why I laugh when people say its better on lemmy than reddit, its just a different flavor of the same shit when you’re on All.

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    I had a Hexbear account for about a month, and noticed whenever I logged in or refreshed the webpage that someone else’s username would momentarily appear at the top right of my desktop screen where mine would normally be, and then mine would appear.

    This had never happened with any of my user accounts in other instances, and I was considering deleting it out of fear that my username (and, perhaps, login credentials) might somehow get compromised.

    Anyway, I ended up deleting it for something else – the very same reasons often mentioned in the comments here, after experiencing some of that toxic shit firsthand. Good riddance!

  • I’ve blocked, like, 5 HexBear users and then haven’t seen a single shitty post or comment from that instance since. Either they are all banned from the other instances/communities, or it’s really only 5 dickheads.

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      There are a lot of dickheads, but a lot fewer of them intentionally reach outside their instance to harass other people. The problem arises when the originating instance’s mods/admins take no action to control their brigadiers.

      • I had to clean up a bunch of obvious bot spam from FoodPorn yesterday when I noticed it all after accidentally clicking into the community and leaving my all feed. I am now not sure if the report feature works; all the posts had tons of down votes but my report inbox has never had anything in it.

        If other mods are relying on the report feature and it’s broken, it would explain why even the active mods are slow to react to things.

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            I literally reported posts publicly for rule 7 violation, at which point I got abused for saying that. To my knowledge none of the people who did this were sanctioned.

            Also, I’m not particularly interested in training your cops. It’s your whole culture that created 10 different posts shitting on our instance and our admins and that is not fixed by more prompt reporting.

            Say what you will about random people complaining about hexbear, it’s individuals here and there. if you had threads upon threads dedicated to flinging insults and disinfo about your instance and your admins, I suspect you might want to defend yourself sometime, like you felt compelled to do just now.

              • I’ve reviewed the past week of reports and literally see 0 made by you.

                If the report function doesn’t work (or isn’t federated when made by users not on your own instance) then that would be consistent.

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                Commenting is not the same as the report function

                I’m not the kind of person who goes to some other’s community and starts hitting the report buttons because someone insulted me (although I am fairly sure I did that as well when I reported the rule 7 violation once?). I would assume your own established people who do that themselves instead of attacking me for reminding them their own comm rules. Surely you don’t think that it’s my responsibility to police your comms and report whenever I see yet another thread attacking our admins and instance? For me, this is a culture issue.

                if I may what is the db0 process for handling disputes for mod actions?

                We haven’t had to establish any particular process. We have an appeals matrix channel if needed, but we haven’t had anyone disputing our mod actions yet.

                Do you think that if one of your moderators was sent a direct message calling them a piece of shit, you would act differently?

                Yes! In fact, I have had some of your users PM me before because I banned them from a community because they were harassing random people. I just laughed at them and then reported and blocked them on the second PM I also receive mention pings from your comms which is how I sometimes find these threads after they’ve been going on for a while. Lately I’ve been sometimes searching my alias, since new threads kept popping up so often.

                Question: Is there no nuance in your world? Am I some random troll? No, you know very well who I am and why I reacted the way I did, or if you can’t possibly understand why I would react so badly and out of character for me, did it not strike you as something that would require some clarification before acting? Because from where I’m standing, you were just looking for an excuse to ban me. Much like that mod who admitted they were just looking for any excuse to ban me from their comm because I annoyed them with my mere existence.

                And fair’s fair, you can ban whoever you want, but if you do a) don’t act like this was some neutral decision and b) don’t spread disinfo that I “harassed your admins” because I justifiably insulted one of them, once, after they insulted me first and deleted all my non-rule breaking comments trying to defend our instance from disinfo.

                I dispute the accusation that there were 10 different posts, rather there were three that are removed. If there are others, please send me the link so that they can be addressed.

                Historically, ever since I upset hexbears by rejecting left-unity, 10 sounds about right. Just off the top of my head there’s the one about the removed post where I was banned. The one where they attacked unruffled. The one where they attacked my pfp. The one where they attacked me for posting a meme in /c/anarchism. The three you removed after my meme. I am not keeping links mate, this is not so important to me. But the constant hate trend is undeniable, let’s not kid ourselves.

                I think you will find there are many threads flinging insults and disinfo about us and I would say that I don’t feel the need to defend, in fact had you or Unruffled heeded my advice about making a non-admin account to comment/post on we would not be in this situation.

                How can I possibly comment about the rationale for removing a post in /c/piracy with a pseudonymous account?

                As strange as it sounds, I commented inside hexbear threads because I still see some value in your opinions of us. I wouldn’t go to a fascist instance to defend myself (I would just defed them). But in order to have any chance to do that inside hexbear, I need an extremely hard shell around me because of the massive toxicity and bad faith I have to face, toxicity which gets thicker and thicker with every new thread about us allowing to fester. So I am compelled to defend my instance as myself when I see disinfo about how we’re “defending corporations” or some other typical uncharitable shit. In the last thread, I tried to do this as calmly as humanly possibly while one of your peeps threw ableism in my face, and even that wasn’t enough.

                Likewise, you don’t go to defend yourselves in every reactionary comm because you don’t care about their opinions, but you came in this thread to do so, even using an alt to do so,for similar drive to myself. You intuitively understand why I do what I do.

                Is it fair to expect the admins to individually review over 3 million comments without having reports to guide us to those made in violation of rules?

                Maybe not, it’s also not fair to expect us to act as the hexbear police. Your own community should be self-reporting as needed instead of turning a blind eye when it’s someone they love to hate.

                After all this, I still don’t have any hate in my heart for hexbear and I’m probably the only reason we haven’t de-federated you. However I don’t think it’s true for you peeps and I think that’s sad that so many in your community are so hell bent on burning this bridge because they can’t tolerate me being against “left unity” or being cowered by the constant bullying.

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                You are completely delusional if you think the hexbear admins have any interest in Lemmy beyond trolling and sophomoric information warfare. They very clearly do not care about engaging outside of their community in good faith.

      • db0OPM
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        I’m literally getting pinged from inside hexbear after being banned, from people cackling that I can’t respond.

  • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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    Don’t forget the role which .ml which plays in enabling the hexbears. Without .ml, the hexbears would effectively be cut off from the fediverse at this point, and likely wouldn’t feel the need to brigade at all.

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    It’s funny how butthurt they always get about the simplest shit. It’s kinda hilarious.

    Their instance has always been blocked on my end since the second lemmy added the instance block feature, but since that only gets rid of posts, my individual user block list has grown to about 40 hb users by now. Life gets better every time I add one to it. I hopped over there for a second and saw them gloating about banning you from their instance like it was some huge win. And then shitting on db0 because they’re “not real pirates” because they… don’t support dictatorships or something? Lol wtf?

    Do not ever try to reason with them because you are burning your breath. I am surprised you have tolerated them this long. Quite literally, the only thing that can ever be done with hardcore radical trolls is blocking or defederating. Removing their voice always hurts them the most, because their only source of energy is controversy.

    I think the rest of us reasonable folk really love what you do here db0. This has been by far the most stable, cleanest instance I’ve been on so far, and i’ve tried 3 or 4 of them. don’t let the assholes try and pull you down for not kowtowing to their weird ideology. Keep it up!

    Edit: And as expected, the downvote brigade is monitoring this post, lol.

    • KillingTimeItself
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      And then shitting on db0 because they’re “not real pirates” because they… don’t support dictatorships or something? Lol wtf?

      the dbzer0 shitpost was funny lmao. Cry harder next time.

      dbzer0 is honestly one the better instances out here (though im biased obviously)

    • @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Which is why hex voted against defederation ahah, hex and dbzer0 users are largely allies from what I’ve seen so it’s kind of funny the admin is banned.

      • db0OPM
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        Eh, They were gunning for an excuse to ban me for months now. Their mod admitted as much. Eventually I lost my cool from all their harassment facilitation and rampart hypocrisy and and gave them one.

        • I don’t know all the details of the drama but I’m sorry you haven’t had better interactions with hexbear. Some users can be problematic like any place, but I have been inspired by the effort, genuine good faith debate and historical analysis that is common in hexbear discussions. I’m anarchist, I first came to the fediverse through this instance and haven’t had any issue with hexbear, and personally would defed from .world before hexbear lol.

          Can you clarify how hexbear facilities harassment? I’m not saying you’re wrong but I just don’t know what you mean. They have the_dunk_tank which you could argue does but they changed the rules to discourage dunking on anyone that isn’t a prominent voice, if there is harassment from users I haven’t seen the mods do anything to encourage it.

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            They literally ignore the rules of the dunk tank just to allow flinging abuse at our admins for trying to do our jobs. If we try to defend or clarify ourselves peacefully we just get insulted. I once even pointed out that they are breaking their own rules and got ridiculed for even saying that.

            On top of that every time I showed any vulnerability by tying to explain that their behaviour of constantly bashing us based on uncharitable interpretations is hurtful, I just get ridiculed even harder for doing so. All this while their admins just turn a blind eye until much later when they might remove the rule breaking thread.

          • Cowbee [he/they]
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            Not in my experience, they are very tolerant towards Marxists, Anarchists, trans people, etc. Liberalism is bannable, though.

            • db0OPM
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              Well yes they just label anyone who they want to be removed a “liberal”, like they did with me.

              • @viking@infosec.pub
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                Take it as a badge of honor. All clowns over there… First instance I blocked, and it reduced the toxicity on Lemmy by 70% on the spot.

              • Wugmeister
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                111 year ago

                I’ve read the things you have posted, and IMHO you were banned for being a loud dumbass

                • db0OPM
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                  Sure, whatever. That’s their prerogative. But if you also insult me and delete my comments explaining our position so as to allow your disinfo the fester all the better, I might just call you a disingenuous pos

                  Edit to say, that being a loud mouth is not a “liberal” or “reactionary” either 😁

            • @Mastengwe@lemm.ee
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              Ironic- considering how butthurt they get when their communist shit gets banned. You really can’t make up that level of stupidity.

              • Cowbee [he/they]
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                What do you mean? Lemmy itself was made by Communists along Communist principles, people usually defederate from Hexbear because they are rowdy.

                • @Mastengwe@lemm.ee
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                  What I mean is that it’s ironic that they ban people for being liberal, while crying when they get banned for being tankies.

                  Know who else bans liberals? Conservatives. Yet the only ones that ever seem to see the similarity between communism and conservatism and get shit on for pointing it out….

                  Are liberals. Your shared enemy.

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          I believed that, myself, for quite some time. I ended up blocking them, however, despite being an anarcho-syndicalist. The insurance has very much cultivated a toxic and anti-social culture where the most active users are climbing over eachother for a chance to “dunk” on someone.

          Just like right-wingers abuse outrage to get a rush some of the polygonimals clearly have become addicted to aggressive behaviors, with the rush from bullying and dunking being rather apparently more important than leftism. It’s a problem.

          Additionally, their claims of anti-sectarianism and dialectics do not hold water when they are quick to label dissenting leftists as libs so that they can justify bans for those who don’t toe the line.