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    “Let me be clear,” the president said in the statement, “whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence – none – between Israel and Hamas.”

    Biden saying the right things as usual. /s

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          Yeah, Trump certainly helped stabilize the area by moving the Embassy. And that mid-east peace plan his SIL got paid $2 billion for was worth every cent.

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      It’s true. Hamas is posting rookie numbers. They’ve got to up their death count by around 10x before they can be in Israel’s league.

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      Putin and another Russian, Maria, have been indicted as well, according to Wikipedia

    • @[email protected]
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      Slobodan Milošević was put to trial under a parallel organization, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. The ICC didn’t exist yet when the ICTY was founded.

      Sloby died in jail before coming to a verdict.

  • @[email protected]
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    Strange timing comes the day after the Iranian leadership are wiped out in an alleged accident.

    • Flying Squid
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      It was an ancient salvaged U.S. helicopter flying in terrible weather. I don’t think we need to start inventing conspiracy theories.

      • @[email protected]
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        General Fog, the lesser known cousin of General Winter, is responsible.

        Also, leaders and billionaires have a real hard time when people say no to them. Even when it is immutable things like weather causing the no.

      • @[email protected]
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        Wow, whitewashing Iran and Qatar’s role in Hamas’ actions. Very progressive left of you.

        • @[email protected]
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          Boo hoo, did the homegrown terrorist org funded by state interest as a propaganda machine get outta hand?

          • @[email protected]
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            511 months ago

            I’m interested in sticking to the facts. If you aren’t, that’s fine. I can block and move on with my day.

              • @[email protected]
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                If it is a fact that Israel is paying for Hamas and Iran and Qatar aren’t, it will be very easy for you to prove that.

                I will wait.

                • @[email protected]
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                  https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035

                  Oh nooo, did someone open their fucking mouth about shit they don’t know about and are about to get dunked on?

                  “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel’s regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday’s Likud faction meeting said,” the Post reported.

                  Netanyahu’s current finance minister, West Bank settler Belazel Smotrich, explained the approach to Israel’s Knesset channel in 2015: “Hamas is an asset, and (Palestinian Authority leader) Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) is a burden.”

                  “Both Egypt and Qatar are angry with Hamas and planned to cut ties with them. Suddenly Netanyahu appears as the defender of Hamas,” the right-wing leader complained.

                  A year later, Netanyahu was further embarrassed when photos of suitcases full of cash going to Hamas became public. Liberman finally resigned in protest over Netanyahu’s Hamas policy which, he said, marked “the first time Israel is funding terrorism against itself.”

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              Man you are talking about whitewashing as you actively try to shift blame from the inceptor and then try and say your talking about facts.

              Fact of the matter is that palastinian terrorism is caused by Israel. Both their genocidal and apartheid ends and directly through funding of groups like Hamas early in their years to promote harsh measures to continue their genocide and apartheid ends.

              “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel’s regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday’s Likud faction meeting said,” the Post reported.

              But nah. You wanna deflect facts and focus on Qatar like everyone doesn’t already know that. This information is ment to be taken in conjunction but your so far up your own ass you see it as an argument and whitewashing.

              You want facts? Facts say Israel funded Hamas. Nurtured it and kept it on the edge of scary to propagandize it’s civilian population. Then it bit them in the ass on Oct 7th.

              If your first thought about hamas isn’t how Israel as a state purposely created and maintained it then it’s you who isn’t operating on facts.

              • @[email protected]
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                Do you actually understand what you are posting yourself? Qatar funded Hamas under an agreement with Bibi which enabled Bibis strategy and Qatars own political goals. Did Israel fund Hamas in those years? No. Did Israel actively guarantee that Qatar funds Hamas? Yes.

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                  Man walks in here waving his post around like I GOT HIM, I GOT HIM SO GOOD as he points out the content of the article like i don’t know what it says. Nah dude. I know what it says, I call that funding. You would too if your head was so far up your own ass.

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    Good, this is a situation in which both sides are both truly disgusting and vile, using people as pawns, shields, etc.

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      Yeah, for some reason too many people are having difficulty understanding that in this case, yes, the both side argument works quite well. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are horrible with the citizens on both side suffering

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        Definitely agree. Although I will add that Israel has likely played a large part in radicalizing many members of Hamas and their actions in Palestine have dwarfed the initial Hamas attack, no atrocity should go unpunished.

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          Both points are valid so yeah, both are bad to the point that both groups should be tried by the ICC and be locked away for life, all of them

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        It’s worth clarifying that the Palestinian civilians are not Hamas though. It’s also misleading to say they elected them democratically, as the median Palestinian was a literal infant when the last election happened, and nearly half weren’t even born.

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          I’m counting Palestinian civilians separate from Hamas, just like the Israeli government is t the same as it’s people

  • Otter
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    More links

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggpe3qj6wo

    https://apnews.com/article/icc-khan-netanyahu-070941d21ccd1f2b9611032b88527575

    Karim Khan said that he believes Netanyahu, his defense minister Yoav Gallant and three Hamas leaders — Yehia Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Ismail Haniyeh — are responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip and Israel.

    The prosecutor must request the warrants from a pre-trial panel of three judges, who take on average two months to consider the evidence and determine if the proceedings can move forward.

    Israel is not a member of the court, and even if the arrest warrants are issued, Netanyahu and Gallant do not face any immediate risk of prosecution. But Khan’s announcement deepens Israel’s isolation as it presses ahead with its war, and the threat of arrest could make it difficult for the Israeli leaders to travel abroad.

    Both Sinwar and Deif are believed to be hiding in Gaza as Israel tries to hunt them down. But Haniyeh, the supreme leader of the Islamic militant group, is based in Qatar and frequently travels across the region.

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    Putting out arrest warrants on both of them is so smart. It’s a way to avoid people claiming they are taking sides or playing favorites or aiding terrorists or being in favor of genocide or whatever. Both leaders are culpable because both the IDF and Hamas have committed atrocities.

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      Putting out arrest warrants on both of them is so smart. It’s a way to avoid people claiming they are taking sides or playing favorites or aiding terrorists or being in favor of genocide or whatever.

      It would be absurd and unjust to issue a warrant for only one of them. This was the right thing to do.

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      I agree, and I found it interesting that Israeli leaders were not accused of genocide or anything to do with their bombing campaign. Instead, it was the specific war crime of causing starvation due to their interference with humanitarian aid and food delivery. Kind of provides additional context for the US decision to build a floating pier off the Gaza coast.

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        It’s much easier to say that an intentional blockade of food is leading to starvation, and that is a clear war crime. Very simple argument, easier to prove.

        Talking about a bombing campaign is more difficult when soldiers are mixed in with the civilians. We may be able to point at the situation and say “that’s clearly fucked up”, but courts don’t work that way. They have to acknowledge that in a war, the army is allowed to destroy the combatants of the enemy. A certain amount of collateral damage in the form of innocent lives lost is allowed by international law. This makes it all much murkier and more difficult to prove what is or is not a genuine war crime. They can’t wing it, or guess, or go by what it “looks like”, they have to prove it, which again, is difficult.

        Starvation and depriving food aid though, very easy to prove.

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          yeh but in today’s age of videos and drones everywhere it should be fairly easy to prove.
          before all the AI video lets loose anyways

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        That is Genocide, the UN tries not to use the general term whenever possible, and instead use the specific method of genocide. That way it’s a lot harder to No True Scotsman the issue. but If I remember correctly they also charged Extinction and Murder. Then in the supporting documents they talk about systematic bombing and creation of a famine.

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          No, genocide is an Article 6 charge. The ICC is perfectly willing to use that term, and in fact has explicitly charged Omar al Bashir with genocide under Article 6.

          In contrast, Netanyahu and Hamas leaders are accused under Articles 7 and 8. These articles respectively cover “Crimes against humanity” and “War crimes”, but they do not include genocide.

          Both Netanyahu and Hamas leaders are accused of “crimes against humanity of murder and extermination” under Article 7.

          Netanyahu is also accused of “intentionally using starvation of civilians” under Article 8, whereas Hamas leaders are also accused of “rape and other forms of sexual violence” under Article 8.

          There are currently no charges based on the Israeli bombing campaign, but the ICC says this is “actively being investigated.”

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        We’ll see in time. Also not sure much will be done if they are. Remember the warrant for Putin was placed March of 2023. The impact on Russia so far seems about summed up to be “Putin can’t attend a D-Day remembrance, and he probably shouldn’t go see the Olympics, which he wouldn’t”

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          On the other hand, Israel is not Russia. Netanyahu’s vacation options effectively just dwindled to Israel and the US, with no layovers. The Hamas guys are already living as fugitives so not much changes there.

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    FFS so Netanyahu was extremely close to being pushed out of power and this dumbass pulls this stunt (just to get publicity) which only makes it easy for Netanyahu to make the case that “it’s us against the world”. He’s also seeking to prosecute Gallant, the guy that would most likely make the push to remove Netanyahu. So he’s pushing Gallant back towards falling back in line with Natanyahu.

    Does this idiot want Netanyahu to stay in power? He’s basically throwing a lifeline to Bibi while throwing away the credibility of the ICC. Never attribute to malice and all that, so likely just a moron.

    Fuck, I was starting to have some hope the Netanyahu could be gone in the next few weeks and this guy is pulling out all the stops to keep him in power. All to get his face on TV.

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      What the fuck kind of argument is this? Courts aren’t supposed to play politics, they are supposed to enforce the law. And if you want to do that in a genocide case you have to prove intent. Gallant made several public statements that can interpreted in that way.

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        This guy is playing politics. If he wasn’t he’d just put in the paperwork instead of sitting down for an interview with CNN.

        See how Jack Smith, a serious prosecutor rolls. There are very few press conferences and they are concise and to the point.

        This guy is playing games to get publicity, he’s probably working on a book deal or whatever right now to monetize the publicity.

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      The position of support for creating a famine (or not giving a shit to stop it) seems to have wider support than just Bibi. This guy’s move puts in focus that creating a famine is a war crime, and he’s forcing the Israelis players to face that and state their support or lack thereof clearly. Getting rid of Bibi alone might not increase the aid in Gaza. If the other party leaders aren’t willing to throw Bibi and Gallant under the bus for this and/or shift gears on aid, then perhaps the Israeli political class is too far gone and the world should increase the pressure till someone gets it and starts telling the Israeli public that what’s happening is wrong and is extremely counterproductive for Israel as whole.

      Also, some polling shows Bibi’s coalition being neck and neck with the alternative so the narrative that Bibi is certain to be ejected by Israel’s democracy isn’t so solid.

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        Israel asked for help from Arab countries in providing support in dealing with the humanitarian crisis. They laughed in the Israelis faces.

        The problem is too many people are willing to let the Palestinians die in order to win some propaganda war against Israel. I don’t feel like anyone really cares about Palestinians. They’d rather Palestinians die so they can have proof Israel is evil.

        Joe Biden has built a pier to provide aid. This is more than anyone else has done to prevent famine. But the propaganda says he’s “Genocide Joe”.

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          What are you talking about… Arab countries didn’t stop food and water going into Gaza, Israel’s leadership did.

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            They were asked to help distribute food and refused. Just something you’re not you seeing in your information silo.

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          I’ve seen stickers around the town where I live calling him “Jihad Joe” for helping the Palestinians. He gets hate coming and going, meanwhile thousands of tons of aid are reaching the people of Gaza because of him.

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            I’ve always said the Pro-Palestine crowd and the MAGAs are basically the same people. Gotta ignore anything that doesn’t conform to whichever narrative they’ve gotten sucked into.

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              “You have to finish up your war. You have to finish it up. You’ve got to get it done,” he said in an interview with Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom. “We’ve got to get to peace. You can’t have this going on, and I will say Israel has to be very careful because you are losing a lot of the world. You are losing a lot of support.”

              Donald Trump

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              I’ve always said the Pro-Palestine crowd and the MAGAs are basically the same people.

              Why because you are an ideologically bankrupt centrist that finds it convenient to equate protestors desperately trying to stop a genocide with MAGA heads… who tried to violently overthrow the US government because it wasn’t hateful enough for them?

              You aren’t welcome in the progressive coalition if you desire to ignore reality in favor of a “both sides” narrative to the degree you are doing. We are talking about a genocide here and you are saying the people trying to stop it are crazy, violent hateful extremists who are obsessed with hurting trans people for no reason, fucking over women and taking power away from everybody but white men.

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    Can we talk about a story that’s fallen through the cracks here? CNN claiming this as an exclusive is madness. Who do these people think they are? And should the ICC issue arrest warrants about it? 😉

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      All the better to control the narrative if you can DCMA the rest?

      Is Giuliani behind this tact?

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      CNN claiming this as an exclusive is madness

      That’s an excellent point you’re making

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          They changed it to that considerably less bonkers headline. Perhaps because they became of aware of their legal exposure under international laws against poor taste…? 🧐

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      Also, not sure if just me, but I couldn’t give a flying fuck whether a news outlet is first to break a story or not. Seems a bit self conglatulatory

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    Fucking hell got so confused by the title, was wondering what the fuck do these guys have to do with cricket.

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      I finally “learned” the rules of cricket, and now understand why Americans created baseball. A game takes a fucking week‽‽ We don’t have time for that shit!

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        iirc Hitler had it banned from Germany after learning the week long match against England ended with no result lmao.

        Anyways that’s the test cricket format. The typical game is ODI which lasts about 7 hours, and the world cup happening this June is T20I which lasts 2.5 hours and is the most exciting to watch.

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          Those games are completely different from cricket. Baseball has some pretty close similarities to cricket

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      The cricket council honestly has more chance of bringing any of these cunts to justice than the real ICC.

      I mean fucking Kony is still on the list, and I forget how long ago that was a thing, and he was on their list long before that.

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    I’m not sure I understand how these warrants can take place. It will come from other member states in case any of them travel there?

    Also how is it that Putin has not been arrested yet? Has he avoided those destinations.

    If I misunderstood something or everything, please let me know.

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      They can’t make a country arrest it’s own leader.

      But if they travel to any UN country, the country is supposed to arrest them, or coordinate with countries willing to.

      So these are more like an exile than anything.

      Kind of like a sanction but instead of money it’s on personal travel.

      Sanctions are still waaaaaay more effective though and what we should be doing. Money is what these despots care about.

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        Only to countries that are part of the ICC. Many countries, including the US, aren’t a part so Netanyahu can safely travel to those places.

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          If the person who beats him wants too…

          And if Netenyahu even lets Israel have elections. Before 10/7 he was already in the process of getting kicked out of office, the only reason he’s still in power is 10/7.

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      Yes, Putin has avoided those destinations so far. He even got warned by South Africa that they’d have to arrest him if he were to travel to a meeting there.

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      Technically any member state, but they wouldn’t refuse him if a non member state arrested him too. And I say technically because there’s a few member states that support him and would likely not arrest him.

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    People’s take on this stuff always seems so naive to me. All war ever can be viewed as an attempt to arrest the leader of another group for “crimes”. When you get arrested… that means you lost the war. Winning a war means you didn’t get arrested.

    The ICC is such a silly stupid waste of human attention. It’s like an idea that children came up with after watching Star Trek. It has no utility whatsoever for our species. We fight, we have winners and losers. If you start a fight with somebody stronger than you, you are gonna have a bad time. If you start a fight with someone weaker than you, others will think you are dishonorable. That doesn’t mean you get arrested.

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      ICC signatories have to arrest anyone with a warrant against them if they visit that country. That severely limits the number of state visits Netanyahu and others with warrants against them can make. That’s not a minor thing. Big deals are made during state visits.

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        Anybody who tries to arrest him will be at war with Israel and probably the US and probably a lot of other nations. They will break their treaty with ICC before they start that war and everyone fucking knows it. Why do we pretend?

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      This interpretation is a vague apologia for war crimes. This line of thinking means the Nuremberg Trials were a complete waste of time and the Nazis should not be held accountable.

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      Yeah you have no idea what the ICC is or what it does, nor what this warrant implies. You really believe that the ICC has done nothing? You should do some reading.

      This warrant won’t go away and the countries that this guy can still visit with this warrant will b extremely limited. This also puts much more pressure on Israel as he is now officially lumped in with other convicted war criminals. This is a good thing ™