• @[email protected]
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    4410 months ago

    The KDE to GNOME should have been “imagine not having standard min max window titlebar buttons by default” with each following DE dunking on GNOME for the same reason.

    Seriously, what degenerate thought this was a good idea. Even gesture spamming Mac users still have their standard GUI in case they want to use the mouse like a normal person or idk someone not fluent in computers wants to use the machine without feeling like chopping their hand off.

    • KnoLord
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      I fully agree. Why do I have to install gnome-tweaks just to make the UI usable?

    • @[email protected]
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      Yeah the XFCE dunking of KDE doesn’t even make sense these days - a fresh XFCE system has similar memory use to a fresh Plasma desktop with similar features.

      (To be clear: the only one of those dunks I actually feel was deserved was the dunk on gnome.)

    • Lettuce eat lettuce
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      Cinnamon has become my, “I just need to get work done” DE.

      I’m fine messing around with Plasma for my personal machines, but for my work laptop, LMDE with Cinnamon. Super stable, simple, it just works.

      • @[email protected]
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        310 months ago

        True. It’s Plasma without all the Plasma fluff. It works, it’s simple, lacks Wayland but it’s being worked on nicely.

        I use Linux Mint as my daily driver, and honestly, it just works™ (except using CUDA heavily, but it’s mostly little hiccups). Tried switching to more power user distros, but always having to fix a little thing here and there is getting annoying.

  • @[email protected]
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    2610 months ago

    What are the icons for?

    I know gnome, and the 3 that have their name in the logo (xfce, sway, tty).

    I’m going back to Slackware. Can’t keep up with this shit any more.

    • boredsquirrel
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      LXQt: continuation of LXDE with Qt

      Hyprland: tiling/floating wayland-only window manager

      Sway: same but slower and not controversial

      Wayfire: floating/stacking window manager, used in RasperryPiOS

      Alacritty: a terminal, in Rust, that lacks all the stuff that Desktop Terminals have, but it is aaaaaacccellerated

      • Nailbar
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        I had to leave Slackware when I got kids. Kubuntu took less time (for me) to get the usual stuff working on.

        Kids got older, and Kubuntu was getting annoying, but I didn’t make it back to Slackware because now… I use Arch, btw.

  • Ziglin (it/they)
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    Sorry but a tty is just a teletype terminal, using a tty could just as easily mean using kitty, alacritty, gnome terminal or the one you get if you were to use your shell as an init system (not sure what that would be called). You don’t switch from a tty to Alacritty, as you’re still just in a tty.

    Also to my knowledge kitty has hardware acceleration too.

    Sorry to be nitpicking but I think knowing that tty isn’t just what you get when you press ctrl+alt+f2 is important for a deeper understanding of the operating system.

  • @[email protected]
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    incostomizable

    Stay in school, kids.

    imagine

    imagine

    imagine

    imagine

    imagine

    imagine

    imagine

    imagine

    imagine

    And maybe learn other words.

  • Count Regal Inkwell
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    Honestly the lack of customizability is the least of my worries with Gnome.

    Why the FUCK doesn’t it have a SYSTEM TRAY without an extension?

    Like it’s one thing to be minimalistic and opinionated.

    It’s another thing entirely to opt out of basic system functionality that has been part of every OS since 1997. Like fuck.

    Edit: Also how fun that this is how I find out Hyprland is cooked due to internet drama and 4chan bullshit.

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      Gnome has an alternative for the system tray now. Caffeine uses it, it appears as a button in the control center.

      That said, many people believe the system tray was a bad design decision, including Gnome.

      Personally I don’t like applications going into the tray, I usually set them to quit when the window is closed where possible.

    • @[email protected]
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      This, and don’t forget that gnome comes with their pre-installed email client called “Evolution” which you cannot uninstall because it depends on core elements of gnome.

    • @[email protected]
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      310 months ago

      What do you need a system tray for? It has a drop-down control center on the top-right. That mirrors most of the functionality from a system tray that I would need.

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        This kind of attitude is precisely what rubs me the wrong way about gnome.

        Like nevermind customization. I care about it because I am literally this. But most people just want their OS to work and get out of the way so they can get to doing work or playing games or looking at hentai or whatever it is their do with their computer and I get and respect that.

        It is true that Gnome’s control center can do a lot of things. All the integrated system functionality is there, as is the stuff for applications that are made FOR Gnome.

        But the thing is. A lot of programmes that aren’t Gnome-centered, that are DE-agnostic or even System-Agnostic? They expect a system tray, because every OS has had something like it since 1997, and implement functionality expecting it to be there, with some configurations and such only being accessible through the tray icon. And Gnome’s general attitude to third party applications expecting something to be there is “fuck off, we don’t care, the third party application should adapt to how we do things, but if you REALLY need this thing we decided is worthless, you can install this janky third party extension to get it I guess”.

        My choice for ‘gets out of the way’ would be something like Cinnamon. In my experience, Gnome does the opposite of getting out of the way, as a lot of basic functionality requires third party stuff. So in order to get things to work, if they aren’t specifically part of the Gnome ecossystem, you’ll have to spend time tinkering, and it’s not ‘tinkering for fun because I like coonfing’, it’s ‘tinkering out of necessity to get this thing to work properly’ which is not nice.

        • @[email protected]
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          I haven’t had to use any application like that in a while, though I’m sure you’re right that they exist. Could you give me an example of an application feature that’s only accessible from the system tray?

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            Dropbox and MEGAsync, though I stopped using those late last year (switched to having an old laptop as a “home server” and using syncthing for backups) so maybe they changed since then. They were my ur-example for it, as I was still using them last time I tried gnome.

            Lots of wine related things. Game clients and such. If wine can’t find a tray it drops a window on a corner with the tray icons which works but is inelegant

            Then there’s programs that while absolutely usable without a tray, are just better if you have it. Steam for one, with a tray it lets you close out the main window(s) and then call up just the thing you want from the tray. AntimicroX too. A pair of electron apps like Heroic Launcher and Zapzap (a WhatsApp client) have troubleshooting things and configs on the tray icon, even if you can use them without that (or learn key shortcuts for the same function)

        • @[email protected]
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          310 months ago

          Hmmm alright I guess you laid out a pretty good argument. Even when I still used Windows I basically always ignored the system tray. I found it annoying and distracting. Didn’t even really notice it was gone when I started using Linux with GNOME.

      • Count Regal Inkwell
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        “Is cooked”, meaning “Is in trouble” or “Is in some shit”.

        Hyprland’s dev got themselves into some internet fight because they associated themselves with a transphobe and Freedesktop people decided this was enough.

        • @[email protected]M
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          As I understand, the person who ultimately made the decision to ban Vaxry was also on a massive power trip.

        • @[email protected]
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          You’d imagine freeDesktop devs to be more mature about something like that compared to a young adult, and end up being wrong and unsurprised

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            Eh, I’ll be honest. Having read the posts here (from both Vaxry AND Freedesktop) about the subject:

            It does seem like Vaxry is just a well-meaning software dev caught up in shit he didn’t ask for. He wasn’t the person who made the comment for one thing.

            But also I kinda get Freedesktop’s angle here, being a queer person myself. I’ve seen communities I previously cared about get ship-of-theseused into places that are deeply unwelcoming to people like me due to brushing off this kind of ‘joke’. You give the -phobes an inch they WILL take the entire road.

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              In my opinion everyone needs to be very private online, so i cant really relate.

              But kinda see what you mean

              • Count Regal Inkwell
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                [tongue click]

                In another universe where things are entirely different, I might agree to the ‘people should be very private online’. Fuck, I’d even extend it to real life?

                But we don’t live in that other universe, and in the universe we currently live, obnoxious behaviour from The Straights ™ isn’t considered obnoxious by 90% of society, whereas even the smallest bit of expression from a GSM person is seen as extravagant and explicit. Straight people can take advantage of the standard of ‘people should be private’ because their expression isn’t considered unprivate by most and the opposite isn’t true for us.

                So $&*# that. I’ll be as loudly gay as I can be.

      • @[email protected]
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        310 months ago

        Also, st can fuck off. Just in general. It’s harder to write than it’s constituent letters.

      • @[email protected]
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        Okay, that is fair, but since I also program in terminals using held in or (neo)vim, ligatures are a must have for me.

        Plus some nerd fonts even upgrade regular loading animations of some cli-tools.

        • @[email protected]
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          No idea what held in is, but I live in vim, and … no ligatures, thanks. Same with italics. Ligatures with fixed-width fonts make no sense. I especially hate the combined arrow symbols: why draw attention to something so unimportant?

          • @[email protected]
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            I mean you do you, but having a “!=” become a “≠” is kinda nice, as are some other = symbols like >= becoming ≥ etc.

            Most fonts also allow you to turn of groups of ligatures, that you don’t like. E.g. I never liked “/>” becoming a combined character.

            So I don’t see the hate about “fixed width ligatures”.

            • @[email protected]
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              While I respect your choice to make things more ‘beautiful’ in your editor, I do not think we should ever do this by default.

              It might seem nice visually, but suddenly we are not seeing things exactly as the compiler does. And as someone who has spent a lot of time helping folks debug their code, I feel quite strongly that this is just further obfuscating an already challenging field - for superficial gains.

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      It’s Hyprland and Here’s explanation why he is banned. (Ofcourse he is toxic because he is a Anarchy Minecraft Player me too sadly but I am not toxic)