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Damn, I was about to watch, The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr… 😣
Such a great show, hail to the king baby!
Hell yes, a fantastic actor who shines in everything he does. Hail to the king, baby!
the internet archive is a very useful tool for countering the “official story” whenever the powers that be are lying.
If you’re able, I hope you donate to the internet archive. There’s a lot of horrible people from all over youtube that like to erase their old videos to help control their own narrative.
I was briefly able to get to https://archive.org/donate - I’m going to kick them a few bucks and recommend anyone else who can afford to also do so.
There’s also this, copied verbatim from the site:
Other ways to donate Mail your donation to: Internet Archive C/O Philanthropy Department 300 Funston Avenue San Francisco, CA 94118-2116
In order to ensure you receive an acknowledgement of your gift as quickly as possible, please include an email address with your mailed donation. We regret that we cannot accept cash or check donations in currencies other than USD.
Stock or Wire Transfer: If you would like to make a stock or wire transfer gift, please contact us at [email protected]
I say we go full Streisand effect on whatever dickhead is trying to censor them.
What I like about Lemmy is, I can see not only score, but also up AND downvotes. On reddit, I can see the score. On Lemmy, If I see you have a score 7, I can also see you have 10 upvotes and 3 downvotes. 10-3=7, and I can get a better idea if a comment is controversial, or popular.
Your post, that I’m replying to has 69 (nice) upvotes, and zero downvotes. THIS IS HOW IT MUST STAY!!!
Reddit also has vote fuzzing where you can get the number of votes, but it’s always manipulated for some reason.
I don’t understand the point, and tbh it’s a serious case of social media mind fuckery. It’s a real problem for anyone who creates an incredibly specific subreddit for use by a group and then everyone is left wondering who keeps downvoting them. That can have real life consequences for anyone who doesn’t understand what is happening.
Which client? Voyager doesn’t show this AFAIK
Settings > Appearance > Other (at the bottom) > Display Votes
Omg thank you!
It’s in the settings.
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Reddit used to show downvotes, sort by controversial, and hide by variable net downvote totals.
Then someone in admin decided it wasn’t good for business, so all the features got phased out.
Reddit has stopped being a good guy a long time ago.
RIP Aaron Swartz
I want to live in a world where he lived and guys like Spez “killed themselves”
Boost doesn’t do this sadly
I’m not seeing it in Sync for Lemmy either
Unless it’s a setting I missed, same with Voyager.
Edit: I am as dumb as a bag of rocks. Couple comments down the chain and someone pointed out it’s a feature on Voyager.
@dogsnest Thanks for the heads up.
OP thanks for posting this.
Donated what little I could. Free access to information is absolutely one of the most important things we as a collective can support.
As someone who doesn’t have head above water, and has no financial room to donate even a penny, I feel bad. But I can at least thank YOU for donating. So thanks!
the best thing you can do is to spread word and knowledge.
There are likely other people out there that don’t already know of the utility of IA.
Nobody (worth caring about) would look down on you for not being in a situation to donate.
Besides, there are lots of ways to help that don’t cost money, like telling people who do have money that they can donate to the internet archive. Equally valid effort.
How am I supposed to know what jcctv.net looked like back in 2011 now?
Thanks a lot, Department of Erasing History. I hate you now.
(And yes, that is indeed a real website… well, it WAS a real website)
This seems like it could be the work of someone who doesn’t want their webpage data being scraped and stolen by AI LLMs, that are using archive.org as some kind of method for bypassing paywalls.
Why out of all sites why internet archive
Someone wanted to erase history.
Luckily non of the data was deleted
It might be that someone wanted to change something that was on a website before the archive could get to it too.
That’s a ridiculous amount of effort to go through to slow down a scraper for one site, especially when that site could just be… turned off.
If you own the domain you can disable the crawler on it. And remove previous scrapes.
Then it still makes no sense, as you being unable to take down the content means you also very likely can’t edit the content. I can’t think of a situation where you:
- Need content to not be scraped
- Need time to remove/edit that content
- Have access to do the above
- Don’t have access to pull the content immediately
- Have control of a large enough botnet to take down Internet Archive
- Don’t have a big enough botnet to take down the aforementioned content
On an individual level, having a massive archive of everything you’ve ever posted isn’t always a good thing, especially when mentally ill people will quote mine a single post and then try to misuse it.
Well that’s my point… It doesn’t make sense because you can just go after the fact and make the request to take it all down.
You have to be stupidly paranoid and obscenely stupid to believe that a DDOS is the correct answer if this is the case.
Well they made a bad job of it because you can’t do that with a DDOS attack. Basically it’s the same as picketing the entrance to a building. All you need is a lot of people anyone can do it at any time.
Actually entering the building and manipulating contents it holds is much more difficult, as then you actually have to engage with the building security.
A DDOS attack can never delete data.
A DDOS alone cannot delete data, but like your picketing analogy, if you can get in first, the picketing will keep out anyone looking to stop your interference.
They’re storing proof of my fuck up which I fixed but if anyone looks it up I’m cooked
Let’s hear it.
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Modification of history is one of the most common tools of dictators
But they have back up to the entire thing am pretty sure any change would be detectable if a dictator is behind this then he’s extremely stupid
If the internet archive goes offline we can just view a cached version of it at the internet archi OH NO!
I thought there back online was there any update on the issue?
“The data is not affected.” You know, that’s an interesting thing to point out. The attackers clearly want to restrict access to information, possibly specific information, possibly information in general.
However, whoever is in charge of this DDoS is clearly fulfilling a directive of “prevent access to it.” And they clearly don’t realize that a DDoS is temporary. Do they have a plan for when it’s back up? They can’t just DDoS forever, unless they plan on DDoSing the entire internet. And I don’t see them having the resources literally the rest of the world has.
IDK, blender.org got DDoS-ed for a while too. It seems like it would take a lot of resources for no possible benefit to anyone involved.
Not “clearly” at all. It could be as simple as someone new to coding doing it accidentally, probably using masking of their request origins (granted, this does not seem very likely at all…:-D).
Also, it forces the archive to expend resources that they could have allocated elsewhere - which would have longer-term consequences far beyond the short-term duration of the attack. Enough attacks like these could cause the archive to deprioritize something else that they had wanted to do, or drop something they used to support but won’t be able to continue to do so in that case.
Or, why does a bully hit someone? That too offers purely short-term pain, until the next attack. Yet they do it anyway, and often it works to cow the victim into submission so that future attacks aren’t even necessary, and instead the mere threat of one may be sufficient for the bully to get their way.
Also, does the entire rest of the world submit funding to the internet archive? I don’t know anything about their finances, but compared to those of e.g. Russian disinformation sources or corporate profit-seeking, surely they are tiny in comparison?
The only thing “clear” here is that the attacker seems to be using the Might Is Right principle, as they are stepping outside the bounds of society to take on this vigilante effort by themselves.
Would that even be possible? How would someone just scripting kidding around cause a major outage?
If each request simply came from the same IP address then yeah, all the recipient has to do is block that one and the whole attack is over.
But what if piracy websites were trying to stream content directly from the internet archive rather than make a copy of it first, and messed up to cause this attack. So intentional to cause the traffic but unintentional to cause this amount of it. Or even if those websites first opened the door, and then someone tried to DDoS them, which propagated onwards to the internet archive, whether knowingly or otherwise.
Anyway, I was just postulating that it was theoretically possible… and odder things have and continue to happen all the time so who knows?:-P
100% US Military doing it.
I sometimes wonder what needs to happen to people in order for them to confidently write nonsense like this.
Maybe he works with them.
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Proof?
I sometimes wonder what needs to happen to people in order for them to confidently write nonsense like this.
Stupidity mostly.
Blindly dismissing it is pretty naive ;)
Burden of proof baby… U accuse someone of something, it’s ur job to prove it (or at least come up with a hypothesis). Just commenting ur conclusion n running away giggling is not the nicest thing to do.
The irony of claiming burden of proof on a post about proof being suppressed.
My hunch is the billions of dollars we have recently siphoned into a cyber warfare branch of the military, Project 2025, which is advancing almost identically to how The Plan for the New American Century progressed 20 years ago, and a President who is in bed with a war criminal fugitive. Oh, and they also recently started one of the largest censorship campaigns in decades Ala “STOP FREELY SHARING INFORMATION ON TIK TOK! WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FILTER RAW INFORMATION OUT AND PROPAGANDA IN VIA MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS AND ISP THROTTLES THAT WE CONTROL!!@!@”
The 100% part was hyperbole, but America is the one doing everything in it’s power to spark WWIII, and the one that benefits most from scrubbing recent history.
Ok, we at least have a hypothesis now. So u’r saying, the US military is secretly executing a Republican plan when a Democrat is in office, when there was a Republican President in office just 3 years ago who tried to coup the government? Don’t u think the military would’ve pulled shit waaaay more noticeable than DDOSing a goddamn archive for five minutes?
Also, why would America want to spark WW3? Businesses function best during peacetime. WW3 would definitely mean usage of nuclear weapons. By your logic, we should’ve already had a nuclear war back when the Soviet Union existed.
This is just like the anti vax conspiracies- the US military is putting chips through vaccinations to control u.
I’m sure there’s proof just laying around, what is the article about ? Oh nevermind if someone didn’t write about it online it’s not true. The US has no history of this type of nonsense.
Again, burden of proof. Ur comment is similar to anti vaxxers saying- “Bill Gates is putting microchips through vaccinations to control society. What, why’re you asking me for proof? Look it up! It’s right there on the internet! Plus billionaires are known to pull shit like this.”
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Have you ever heard the phrase, “that which is asserted without evidence maybe dismissed without evidence”?
yeah but we also live in the age where difference between a conspiracy theory and an outright conspiracy can sometimes be as short as 6 months lol
Sounds like it doesn’t take long to wait for evidence then hu?
about the same time when they start busting corpo leakers
Ok. In the meantime, I don’t have to believe anything that’s untrue.
Maybe he works for them, can’t elaborate because NDA, who knows. What’s the article about again.
Yeah, no. This comment alone would go against any government NDA - and this user is just some random person who, going by their comment history, most certainly has no inside knowledge of anything.
As far as you know
why?
Because US bad China good USSR was actually the good guy Uyghur genocide never happened Tiananmen square incident was a lie REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE /s
Vuvuzela iPhone
mao did nothing wrong sir!
No sir he didn’t! Chairman Mao was the greatest communist revolutionary to ever exist, sir! The Great Leap forward was such a successful project! /s
Found the Blue MAGA.
I’m not even from the US lmao. But still, good effort.
[ 中华人民共和国寄语] Great work, Citizen! Your social credit score has increased by [100] Integers. You can now have priority transport and can now get into prestigious colleges! Keep up the good work! [ 中华人民共和国寄语]
So you are confirming that, you sir, are the outsider trying to influence American politics… by accusing other people of being outsiders influencing American politics.
Sounds very Blue MAGA.
Didn’t know CCP bots weren’t capable of comprehending shitposts.
I sometime wonder
I very rarely go to the internet archive, but the moment I needed to get a safe copy of very old software, shitty people decided to DDOS it. shitty humans. find better hobbies losers
I read “find better hobbies” as find better horsies
It has time on its side.
And I wondered why I couldn’t access the page 6 hours ago…
Why the fuck…
I’ll admit they have some powerful enemies, but I can’t imagine who specifically would be behind this. Maybe it’s not a conventional attack but some wealthy idiots trying to clone the archives to feed their dumb hobby.
That gave me a thought, could be a group trying to scrape some older content for use in feeding an llm since reddit was obviously a bad choice.
Would webcrawling look like a DDoS?
Heavy traffic is different from a DDoS, assuming the attacker is using standard DDoS techniques (refusing connection after confirmation from server)
The Internet Archive is so important. The closest thing to a digital library.
Donated!
Damn. I guess this is why we can’t have nice things.
I guess I’ll take this opportunity mention if one cannot make a monetary donation to IA. You can always help them out by help seed some of their torrents. I’d appreciate it at least :P
I tried to seed the torrents but I never found anything that needed seeds, most users download via browser
Someone is really trying to recreate the Burning of Alexandria. Can we be certain that Internet Archive and Wikipedia (as awful of a shit place that can be) are going to stand the test of time at this rate?
when was wikipedia crap? /genq
The culture of editors can get toxic, but usually the content is still good.
