Maybe Noem will step up. Do what’s necessary.

So. Let me get this straight. My BEST bet would be to vote for the same guy whose administration continues to provide billions of dollars in weapons to conduct airstrikes on refugee camps, and sometimes makes “We’re outraged! Who would have thought Israel would continue killing civilians!” comnents. You’re really as delusional as the other side. Greetings from a Pootin troll.

If you actually cared about Palestine, you’d be on the streets demanding immediate action instead of begging people to check a box months from now when half a million Palestinians have starved to death.

If I’m Dmitri, you’re Hermann.

I’m not the one sitting here making excuses for apartheid and genocide, Hermann.

You don’t have to be like the media. You can be better. Every Indian isn’t a Hindu nationalist, and many of us detest the nationalists. Gandhi was even killed by a Hindu nationalist, but you won’t hear Modi talking about that.

Indians who were born outside of India to Indian parents are very critical of the Hindu nationalists. We’ve grown up alongside Muslims and been friends with them. We feel solidarity with them as fellow brown people. And we’re utterly appalled with what’s going on in India.

Don’t lump us together. We’re among the harshest critics of Modi’s fascist regime, and what India has become. We were raised with traditional Indian values by our parents and the broader Indian community in our homes. India over the last few decades has become unrecognizable to our parents and fallen considerably to moral decay.

Me too, no though Sihks were nice.

Just in case you aren’t joking, Sikh is a religion.

In India, the bigotry comes mostly from Hindu nationalists. Hindu is a different religion from Sikhism.

Haley is still Indian, just not Hindu

Nah let’s still get rid of white women tho

So what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?

Do you remember during the 2008 campaign when there was criticism over Obama’s pastor being too outspoken in his church? In back to back segments fox would reflect on Obama’s dangerous version of Christianity while also saying he was a Muslim…

Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim?

Barack Hussein Obama

I don’t know man. You tell me.

I feel like that may be true also, but I was referring to the groups pushing the agenda/propaganda, not the ones being affected by it. The ones propagandizing doublethink are the big issue IMO.

Joe Biden is a lot more efficient at getting weapons Israel needs for their genocide than Trump ever will be

^^ That is a heaping pile of BULLSHIT.

the point is not to make more people vote trump (everyone who is morally bankrupt enough will do that anyway)

the point is FUD, so that biden voters stay home (good for trump) or vote 3rd party (which would be valid if it weren’t a first past the post system)

“America needs to do whatever Israel needs and stop telling them how to fight this war. You are either a friend or not a friend.”

She reminds me of an alcoholic friend I had in college. Telling you to stop doesn’t mean I hate you. It means you’re making bad decisions.

While quick math shows their claim untrue, what is true is that Biden has received over 5.7 million over the course of his career .

Which firmly places him at the top of pro-Israel donor pools.

There’s also no question that Trump is a vastly worse candidate… this doesn’t make Biden a good candidate.

Russia only cares about two of them. One of them is reliant on a Trump victory, and the other is to ensure it happens.

From the linked politico article,

Legally, the U.S. can’t cut Israel off completely. Since 2008, the U.S. has had to weigh all arms sales to Israel and other countries in the region against the requirement that Israel maintains a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.

In 2008, George W. Bush was in his second term as president.

Every time I encounter the “don’t vote” brigade, my first thought is that it’s a Russian or Chinese troll trying to get Trump elected again.

My second thought, which is a bit more nuanced, is some introspection on what Biden is actually doing. He has three options with regards to Israel, none of them good.

1. He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region, as well as a loss of an ally.
2. He could fully commit to Netanyahu’s madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel. This would also ultimately lead to broad regional warfare, which will also likely increase Russian influence in the region.
3. He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.

I don’t know that Biden is doing a very good job with #3, but #1 would be a catastrophe, and #2 is what Trump wants.

This is a shitty situation in every conceivable way. Our ally, Israel, is currently being run by a corrupt and genocidal freak. There are no good answers to a situation like that beyond Israel coming to its senses and throwing Netanyahu in prison. But there are plenty of really bad answers, and Trump would be the worst.

I don’t think I said that. Can you show me where I did?

I will say that you have a slice of responsibility over the future, and you’ll have to live with the consequences of whatever decision you end up making - including the one where you sit on your hands. No matter what you do, you can still complain about it, but the future will be whichever one we collectively steer to. One of those possible futures is worse than the other. So it seems to me that we should steer away from it, rather than wrong our hands about how we don’t like the choices. Sure, you don’t like the choices. They’re the choices regardless. Model the outcomes of each possibility, decide which one you hate the least and steer towards it, because we are getting a future selected from among the possibilities. Jesus is not going to rapture us out of this.

That’s only worked a handful of times, long ago.

Yes. Humans are given to certainty and judgement in excess of what the evidence merits, so I have taken to understatement.

I’m not convinced that Joe Biden is fascism, though. Would you be so kind as to compare him to Umberto eco’s list, and share examples on each point? Trump seems like a much better match to that, but perhaps I have missed something.

I’m shouting into the void and I know it. Nothing I do or say will change anything.

I can look at the last 40 years and be astonished at how little American voters care about their own welfare, and rest assured that the election in November will likely be 49% to 49%, because for some reason they all are just exceptionally well-programmed to vote for the candidates that the wealthy want them to vote for. All of them are poorer now, both economically and socially, than they were even just ten years ago. They can see with their own two eyes that they get poorer no matter which party we elect, and it doesn’t stop them from voting solely on team color anyway.

Hell, the Democrats had Marianne Williamson, an anti-war, pro-living wage, pro-universal health care candidate who can actually form a coherent thought in their primary. They decided overwhelmingly that they wanted the old, addled warmonger to be their president, even though he’s done nothing meaningful to try and fix their poverty, opting to spend his time keeping his scumbag son out of prison and the war money flowing to other countries.

The Democratic party expects their members to pretend that what’s happening in Gaza is not a genocide. They censured Rep Tlaib for saying so in Congress.

Lucky you lol

Personal failure, smh