Current-era Microsoft continuing to push the boundaries of consent.
Microsoft Edge is a good browser but for some reason Microsoft keeps trying to shove it down everyone’s throat and make it more difficult to use rivals like Chrome or Firefox. Microsoft has now started notifying IT admins that it will force Outlook and Teams to ignore the default web browser on Windows and open links in Microsoft Edge instead.
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They’re more like default browser suggestions, really…
Microsoft has been so aggressive with forcing their services on you it’s ridiculous. Hope more people are jumping to Firefox/Linux and such
Sort of related, but this reminds me of a really annoying thing that’s been happening on my work windows 11 machine.
Any time I launch chrome from VSCode to attach a debugger, edge launches along with it, and directs me to a page that says “try the new bing.”
Absolutely infuriating, makes me want to uninstall edge.
It happened to me last week and it pissed me off. If i wanted to use Edge I would, Microsoft needs to cut the pushy shit out.
Ugh noticed this earlier today and thought it was something on my end (setting messed up or reverted), but nah just Microsoft making it hard to love windows as usual
I’ve been using edge since the first chromium beta. I’m considering moving to firefox just out of spite.
For me what did my migration was the frequent crashes and the adding of bloat
It’s much better. I don’t miss Chrome at all. Also f Google.
I’ve always rotated between edge and Firefox. Some things I like better about each. Firefox usually wins out for me when stuff like this keeps happening haha
Firefox is great! I have never been to a website where it doesn’t work, and the future of the internet relies on people ditching chrome based browsers (don’t kid yourself, chromium = supporting chrome and monopolistic companies)
Sadly haven’t had the same experience. There are some websites that are broken and Canvas particularly didn’t play videos well on Firefox. Also, it has been really laggy for me lately and watching videos has been laggy. There are also no tab sorting options. I love Firefox and still use it, but it’s not all great.
I love Firefox, but had to go to Edge due to tab groupings. How Firefox doesn’t have this yet boggles my mind. The day I see they have groups, I’ll be all over it again.
On the Mozilla feature request page, it is the highest voted post and is currently being “investigated” by the team. But it’s been like that for a while, so I stopped holding my breath. It will come one day (hopefully) considering how much demand there is for it.
I use an add-on called tab groups for organizing tabs.
I’ve tried them all, but I really prefer how Chromium handles it.
What so you mean by “tab sorting options”?
Chromium has tab groups where you can easily add or remove tabs from a group. It makes it easy to drag it out to a different window, bring it into an existing window, and the groups are collapsible.
I usually have a lot of forums open, work tabs, and just other stuff. Right now, my solution is dealing with it/creating separate windows, but it gets messy really fast when you have 4-6 different windows. It becomes a game of which one has the tab I’m looking for.
For me the worst part is sites with crappy JavaScript not working in it. It’s like they didn’t even test it in Firefox. Our time tracking and accrual systems at work and my bank system don’t operate particularly well in Firefox. Whenever people do refreshes on websites it’s kind of hit or miss whether they actually work out of the box.
I’ve converted over to mainly running Brave because It’s more aggressive about blocking tracking while still remaining almost completely chrome compatible.
I generally still keep a Firefox browser window open but it’s mainly to play YouTube videos.
When Microsoft offered GPT to edge users I flipped over and started using that for a while. I loaded it down with all my normal Chrome plugins. For me it’s faster unless ram heavy than Firefox, Chrome, or Brave, I just don’t trust openly giving all of my browsing data to Microsoft.
For me the worst part is sites with crappy JavaScript not working in it. It’s like they didn’t even test it in Firefox.
A major issue now is that some sites actually unknowingly rely on bugs in Chrome, so they don’t work properly in other browsers that don’t have the same bugs. Mozilla do ship some workarounds with Firefox (where it detects sites that rely on bugs and patches them to work properly) but obviously they can’t test everything.
Keep using Windows!
Found the Microsoft shill/astroturfer!
I thought it was obvious sarcasm, but oh well
aw crap, I got c/wooooshed
Devil’s advocate but Edge is just reskinned and revamped chrome so it’s not the worst thing imaginable.
I’m personally a Firefox user since it has developed to be so much better imo. However I do have to give credit to Microsoft for having imo a better browser than Chrome despite the fact they are both Chromium based.
In the beginning it was a lot better, because ot was basically just Chromium reskinned to look nicer. Now it’s much much worse than chrome. It’s filled to the brim with popups you can’t click away, tracking software, generally slower than firefox in my experienc, and is just all around ugly with microsoft icons everywhere.
I was it-supporter, so I had to click it all away every time I had set up a pc, so I’ve experienced it a lot.
I’ll keep using Firefox until I’m dead or it’s dead!
i’ll stop using internet if firefox dies.
The internet needs an independent browser like Firefox.
The big issue with Firefox is that most of Mozilla’s funding still comes from Google, via an agreement that makes Google the default search engine in Firefox. Google essentially have the power to shut down Mozilla if they want to.
I wouldn’t mind if they started a subscription model that makes them enough to keep the thing running and be completely independent from Google.
Totally agreed. I would definitely pay to use FF, even a hateful subscription, if the alternative was to shut down. I think enough people are of the same opinion that its not going to be funding that kills it, but a buyout and kill off
@dan But they can’t because that would mean one less competitor and so FCC can use that to sue them.
I can definitely see the antitrust viewpoint. Would the FCC really force Google to keep funding one of their competitors though?
So where’s the group policy to turn this shit off?
Maybe some people will just give up on outlook finally and use a good email client or the webapp, neither of which will do this shit.
Good email client
Go on…
Emclient works better with Microsoft 365 than outlook does, while also working great with Gmail and others which outlook doesn’t.
Search actually works and you can edit server rules for starters.
It’s also technically cheaper though most paying users get outlook with their office subscription.
Emclient works better with Microsoft 365 than outlook does.
Search actually works and you can edit server rules for starters.
Thunderbird is a pretty decent client, and OSS to boot!
I still use Thunderbird for my personal email because honestly it’s the best email client I’ve used, and I tried all the popular ones (including Outlook, eM Client, Mailbird, Postbox, Windows 10 Mail, and others). In particular, I have filter rules (Sieve) that filter emails into folders, and many of the clients don’t handle folders well.
On Android, I haven’t found any email clients anywhere near as good as FairEmail. It’s free and open-source, and has every feature you’d need. It directly connects to your provider’s IMAP server so messages don’t have to be relayed via a third-party or Google’s servers.
As long as people continue using MS products they’ll be victims to this BS. Switching my family to Linux (Currently Fedora, will later try Debian again) has been a blessing for everyone here.
Gaming is keeping me off Linux. Most of the most popular Twitch games like Fortnite and CoD Warzone either don’t run at all or run poorly with difficult workarounds. I don’t have time to tinker anymore. I want to click one button and have my games run first time, flawlessly. Ironically, it’s why I like my Steam Deck. Valve figured out how to make handheld gaming on Linux work without effort. I know it’s the fault of developers but that doesn’t resolve the problem. I hope the Deck encourages more developers to make their games compatible with Proton.
Something something antitrust. Something something browser choice. Microsoft is just asking to be fined €1 billion. Really, someone needs to make a big stink about it in Europe because they’ll act before the US does.
Microsoft is just asking to be fined €1 billion. Really, someone needs to make a big stink about it in Europe
Good luck. Apple restricting iOS to only use Safari’s engine is even worse, yet they haven’t gotten in trouble for it. Every browser on iOS is Safari under-the-hood. At least Microsoft always let you install other browsers.
There’s a setting for this in Outlook now, basically a toggle to choose either edge or the system default.
Not nice to have an extra setting for it but at least it can be turned off
What’s even the point of having a system default if apps are just going to ignore it?
