• Echo Dot
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      I’m actually not that shocked. Corporations make weird corporate decisions all the time because they feel as if they’re getting the more professional version or something. They tend to view open source projects as either unprofessional or in some complicated way, actually illegal. Like it’ll turn out that open source isn’t allowed after all.

      This is what happens when lawyers who don’t actually know what they’re talking about make recommendations. They don’t know, so they always advise caution. Also they genuinely don’t seem to know the difference between pirated software and open source.

      • @[email protected]
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        The reason corporation are like that is because the responsibility is with the employee the decided to use the open source tool, when there is another company backing a product, there is someone to hold accountable. Also, there is a support number if shit hits the fan, and guarantee of support long term if the supplier is financial healthy.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’m currently involved in a legal case in which I produced audio recordings. I was questioned intensely by the other sides lawyer about the modified date on windows.

        I kept asking him to clarify what he meant by modified until he said “I don’t know”.

        Like. Ffs.

    • qaz
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      OpenJDK misses some parts that are in the Oracle JVM

      • @[email protected]
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        OpenJDK is the reference implementation now. Biggest differences I’ve seen are in the default list of trusted CAs.

        • qaz
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          What about JavaFX? It’s included in the Oracle JVM but not in the others afaik.

          • @[email protected]
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            JavaFX was removed from the main Java spec in Java 11. Even the Oracle Java distribution. It’s a separate project now and is pretty easy to include as as jar if needed. In fact there are non-Oracle builds of the JVM that do add it (there are Zulu builds that put it back in). Because Java is now GPL. Anyone can create a build and include what they want.

    • Echo Dot
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      Fairly sure that in that case it would actually be more cost effective to just rewrite the application.

  • @[email protected]
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    Why would anyone recommend their company to use Oracle stuff these days? Oracle should give kickbacks to people that recommend to use Oracle Database, Java, or VirtualBox in their company so they’ll keep at it /s

  • @[email protected]
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    Oracle is a law firm with a large IT department.

    They’ve been giving us shit because they “see downloads from our IP addresses”. It’s an absolute shake-down operation. They let anybody download their poisoned jvm for free and then tell your company that they now owe them a fortune.

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      What’s hilarious is that the AdoptOpenJDK project (now called Adoptium) managed to create a better UI than Oracle ever had for downloads.

      • @[email protected]
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        191 year ago

        We’d love to but we do have some legitimate needs for it since Oracle software requires their jvm. It’s a massive pain in the ass.

          • @[email protected]
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            141 year ago

            You didn’t seem to understand. Oracle only supports their own jvm when running their software that uses Java (e.g. weblogic).

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              Sorry forgot about support.

              • @[email protected]
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                It’s not about functionality. When you’re paying for licensing and support you need to use supported versions of things. If you call up about an issue with the database and you’re running an unsupported os or Java version they hang up on you.

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                  Sorry forgot about support. You are right.

            • @[email protected]
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              I know it may not be an easy question to answer, but does your company really owe them money? I’m guessing that their other software that uses their JVM also has a license, so they should be more clear about the company having to license out the JVM in order to use it. This sounds like a scam that comes packaged along with some other software.

              • @[email protected]
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                Oh - sorry, Oracle offers a free “entitlement” to use the JVM when used with their software if it’s required. We don’t pay extra for the Oracle JVM.

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      As it says on AdoptOpenJDK page, the project has rebranded to Adoptium.

      I use Adoptium on Windows (dunno, seems to run Minecraft, OK, that’s good enough for me). On Linux I just use whatever OpenJDK is packaged in distro.

  • AutoTL;DRB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Oracle has started to dispatch Java audit letters to Fortune 200 companies for the first time, according to one licensing expert.

    But industry experts have pointed out that businesses with limited Java use would have to license the software per employee under the latest model, a dramatic shift from the one previously offered by Oracle.

    But that has changed in recent months, according to Craig Guarente, founder and CEO of Palisade Compliance, an independent Oracle licensing advisory company.

    Guarente was speaking on a webinar hosted by Azul, which helps organizations move away from Oracle Java to open source alternatives.

    In February 2023, Gartner warned that Oracle “actively targets organizations” on Java compliance following the introduction of new contractual terms for the code.

    In July last year, The Register revealed Oracle was sending unsolicited emails to businesses offering to discuss Java subscription deals, seemingly in an effort to extract information that could be to its benefit in future license negotiations.


    The original article contains 555 words, the summary contains 159 words. Saved 71%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    • @[email protected]
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      Is there some general history that makes you think that or more specific or just a gut feel?

  • BlackEco
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    Way to push Fortune 200 companies towards Azul, Adoptium, Correto and other alternative Java distributions, Oracle!

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        Yeah, for a short time there the word ‘java’ was very ‘in’. Marketing hipsters at the time wanted to use it in everything, just like the word ‘AI’ now.

      • Arghblarg
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        No, I know that – I honestly want them both to die :p

        Both have been a blight on software development for decades.

        • @[email protected]
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          I don’t have a problem with Java, and you can get Oracle free versions of Java.

          JavaScript on the other hand is a blight as you say.

          • Kogasa
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            You can get blight free versions of JavaScript too, if you use TypeScript.

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        ECMA by Ecma?

        Ahh, needed Wiki:

        It acquired its current name in 1994, when the European Computer Manufacturers Association (ECMA) changed its name to reflect the organization’s global reach and activities. As a consequence, the name is no longer considered an acronym and no longer uses full capitalization.

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    It feels like actual innovation in all sectors has slowed to a crawl, and corporations – especially the ones run by MBA parasites – are concentrating more and more on just squeezing money out of people with various bullshit tactics, while at the same time thinning their workforce (naturally the MBAs are never under threat, though)

    • @[email protected]
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      We’re at the end-times for western capitalism, where rent-seeking has become the primary driver of markets. It’s happening all around us.

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      Oracle was never really innovative on a technical level , it’s first and foremost a company focused on selling licenses, and they’re really innovative in that regard but if you fall for that as a company, I have no pity, this is their whole schtick.

      Big companies in general are often rather conservative in nature while innovation happens on smaller scale and later expands.

      The big problem is rather that a lot of innovation has been absorbed by the big companies via buyouts, especially when money was cheap to borrow. Innovation bears risk, buying an established solution and milking existing users much less so.

      I don’t think the users are without blame. A lot of people ignore the red flags when a solution is just convenient enough (we need the commercial support / this exactly covers our use case so we don’t have to hire someone to adapt it / …) and the vendor then cashes out when moving away from his solution would be really expensive.

      I think there’s still a lot of innovation lately, but a lot people are just looking for the next big thing that does everything it feels like.

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        I was a developer at Oracle. We got handed down sales goals. ??? It was a running joke in our org that oracle is a sales company and we just scramble to make what they’re selling. When I left half our org had been laid off or left. Only got two raises in the 5 years I was there. Not worth.

      • @[email protected]
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        The big problem is rather that a lot of innovation has been absorbed by the big companies via buyouts

        Which ultimately does seem to lead to innovation slowing down. The big players buy out any potential smaller competitors, and very often just outright kill the products / services they inherited in the acquisition.

        • @[email protected]
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          Alright, not that I wrote or implied that anywhere… In fact Java was probably the whole reason Oracle bought Sun to gain leverage over Android. Which fits very much into what I wrote - one company innovates, another one buys them to squeeze users (Google wasn’t a customer of Sun, they used their own implementation which wasn’t exactly Java but also not exactly anything else). Just that Sun by all means wasn’t a small company, I mean they controlled almost a full stack with their own processors (SPARC), workstations and servers (Blade was somewhat famous), an operating system with Solaris (and if you want to count it even JavaOS) and Java on top of those, and they contributed a lot of technology like NFS, ZFS (license discussions aside). On the other hand, when they bought someone, the product wasn’t just milked to death, but actually integrated into their stack and continued to be developed in the open.

          Shame it turned out that way, I guess Sun was a bit overleveraged with how much they did vs. how much they made from it. And to think that Oracle paid less than a fifth than what Twitter sold for later for all of that technology to go to waste, just for a chance to sue Google… But we long as suits continue to license their stuff because they have cool advertisements at airports, this will keep going.

      • NostraDavid
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        Oracle was never really innovative on a technical level

        Even their RDBMS and SQL was copied from ideas that came from IBM. And I recall either E. F. Codd or one of the SQL guys making a remark about Oracle’s less-than-saviour sales tactics, even back in the 90s.

    • circuitfarmer
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      corporations – especially the ones run by MBA parasites

      Is that not all of them right now?

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        Ever since I looked up “java download” and had to go through the horrible process on the Oracle site, I decided that they didn’t want me to download Java so I should avoid it, and that has always proved to be a good decision

        • Baldur Nil
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          As much as I do like programming in Java, you have a good point.

      • @[email protected]
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        121 year ago

        My employer has a pretty large presence in AWS. We finished migrating to Amazon’s Corretto (based on openjdk) months ago. It was pretty painless given we already use Amazon’s Linux distros.

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          What could possibly go wrong with locking yourself into an environment owned by Amazon, or Google or Microsoft?

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            What’s the lockin? Is it really harder than just swapping the jdk path to switch between Coretto and OpenJDK? I understand Coretto being preferable for performance and security patches but I don’t imagine it’s that big of a deal if one eventually had to switch

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      So here’s the thing. This year I fell in love wih clojure, it’s an absolute pleasure to program in. It’s also a hosted language that runs on java (primarily) or javascript (or a bunch of marginalized things). And honestly, I feel like I can make the java backend run more resource-effecient than the JS one.

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    Oracle quoted us 30K because a small handful of our users needed to use a .jnlp application a couple times per year. It took me a couple of days but I got it working with Corretto and a program called OpenWebStart.