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I dislike Discovery, not true to Gene’s vision.
It stopped being sci-fi and started being fantasy when they started with magical tardigrades and “time bugs”. The rest plays like a space marines series.
Edit: also the spark and flame throwers on the bridge make it look like GWAR concert.
Gene would have loved Discovery because it let characters say “fuck” and there’s nothing and no one Gene hated more than the censors.
I dislike Discovery because it focuses on one main character instead of the entire crew.
That’s kind of exactly what I don’t like about it and part of why I call it a “space marines” series. Gene’s vision is of a future where different life forms come together and work under a unified code and for the greater good. It’s not about one person rising to power and being the hero.
It feels like they are trying to graft the Star Wars theme onto Star Trek with hand wavey magical “forces” that don’t have even the most tenuous link to science, and singular heroes that make anything that’s worth happening happen. The original series at least tried to give a nod to the scientific consensus and then try to extrapolate it out.
Oh no, am I gonna hate Discovery? That sounds decidedly un-star trek.
Michael Burnham is somehow more valuable than everyone else in Starfleet when it comes to saving the universe. Then saving it again. Then going to the future and saving it again. It’s a bummer cause there are some great characters but no one does deus ex like Michael and yeah it does not feel like Trek
what about the special needs holograms that fail if you blink at them in the wrong way. What the hell was that about?
This is what happens when a stupid person tries to write a clever character. There’s no actual intelligence it’s all just stupid magic loopholes that our character knows for some random reason that makes no actual logical sense.
Thankfully TOS never did any fantasy stuff like galactic barriers, Trelane, massive green hands in space, or Abraham Lincoln. That wouldn’t have been true to Gene’s vision.
I’m not a fan of Disco either, but tardigrades and time bugs are really low on my list of complaints. Star Trek did lots of even whackier stuff over the last 60 years (or did everyone forget the “Fun with DNA” episodes of the 90s?). In fact, that time bug episode was probably the best 32nd century Disco episode. Which is a low bar, but anyway.
I guess my issues with stuff like the tardigrade, time bug, spore drive, etc. is that it’s just taking something from earth and putting it in space and saying it’s the “space version”. It’s so lazy and stupid. At least TOS usually had some interesting reasoning behind why these things were happening or they were different enough from anything on earth that at least they felt novel and innovative.
LMAO
Hair (not Pike)
Hair (Pike)
“I get too wet looking at Pike”
Other: Not enough Klingon boy bandI actually thought that scene was a missed opportunity to inject a Klingon operatic bit!
No man is an island
Some of the spinning camera shots of early DIS seasons made me legitimately nauseous but I was also not entirely sober so like fair
I have a problem with the Kelvin timeline. Specifically how they depicted the Kobayashi Maru sequence. No, I don’t care if Spock programmed it. My issue is that Kirk’s behavior stank. He straight up cheated, but even worse, he was smug about it. That didn’t show leadership potential at all. That was conduct unbecoming of an officer.
I’d always had it in my head that Kirk simply disagreed with the test philosophically. It’s a simple scene to set up. Kobayashi Maru tests officers to see how they deal with a losing path in a simulation of a deterministic universe, but especially to reveal the quality of their character. But Kirk doesn’t believe in fate. He believes in a quantum universe, where infinite possibilities spring from the vacuum every instant. In my mind, Kirk wouldn’t simply reprogram the hostile ships’ shields to drop at an exact moment, then just line up his shots. That’s still determinism! Instead he would subtly reprogram the simulation to account for random chance, and depend upon his skill to beat the odds against whatever the scenario might throw at him. Examining his changes to the code would reveal not a spoiled rotten, cheating, nepotism brat, but a confident leader with a fundamental difference in personal philosophy for approaching the Universe, and furthermore, who simultaneously argued that the Kobayashi Maru was a flawed exercise, while generously offering a patch to improve it. That’s captain material.
That scene would have made me lose all respect for Kirk if I regarded it as canon, so I can’t. I would never follow a man like that into the unknown, no matter his supposed tactical brilliance. No disrespect to any of the actors. It’s just bad writing. Beyond that, I’ve got no problem with Kelvin beyond minor quibbles.
The Kobayashi Maru sequence is a perfect summation of everything wrong with Kelvin Kirk. He’s basically a fratboy. He just lies and cheats his way through problems by the seat of his pants with no forethought or consideration. Actual TOS Kirk is an incredibly smart, educated and thoughtful leader who constantly questions his own beliefs and motivations. He understands the burden and the cost of leadership, and always strives to meet that burden, and he truly believes in the Federations mission to be build a better world for all.
This is why I love Strange New Worlds. SMW Chris Pike is, genuinely, the best version of Kirk in any Star Trek. Smart, thoughtful, emotionally intelligent, cares deeply about his crew, but also funny and likable. And, when need be, kind of a badass.
I understand where you’re coming from.
Another way to look at it though, is Kirk wanted to draw attention to the ridiculousness of the test. He was making a bold statement that his intention wasn’t to “cheat” but to show the test was stupid by rubbing it in their faces. He was saying if you’re going to fix it so I can’t win, I’m going to fix it so no one can lose.
I have my issues with the Kelvin timeline. And to be honest I think the writing could have been better in that scene. But I would prefer they replace the ending of movie two. The reactor sacrifice thing went away past just a nod to previous movies into lazy writing. And the blood thing created SO many future plot holes…
Yeah Into Darkness was just a bad concept all around. Just a bad idea to remake a good movie in general. And then Star Trek II revolved around a villain from Kirk’s past coming back for revenge. Kirk and Khan never met before in the Kelvin timeline, so there really isn’t anything there. It was destined to be a a half-assed remake at the concept stage, and they should’ve scrapped it and done pretty much anything else as soon as someone suggested bringing back Khan.
Still it’s not the worst Trek movie.
Yeah, I mentioned the end, but that was more the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’m general I liked them all but 2 was the worst of the three without question.
This is how I see it. Reprogramming the test was a protest, and protests should be loud and obvious. A subtle change that made the test just barely passable would have just looked like academic dishonesty.
Yeah the more thought about it, you also can’t compare “canon” Kirk to the Kelvin Kirk. Expecting one that grew up without a dad to act the same…
That’s very true, Kelvin Kirk is much more obnoxious than I believe prime Kirk would have been as a cadet. I’m not even sure Kelvin Kirk has the necessary charm to argue his way out of trouble the way prime Kirk did. If the attack on Vulcan hadn’t interrupted, I could see the academy authorities coming down pretty hard on him.
What’s wrong with Neelix?
Dislike DIS because Michael, not Gene’s vision
Wicked jealous of Pike’s hair
Hello, I would like to complain that filling out a form to complain is exactly the kind of thing that Gene Roddenberry would be against so I refuse to do it. /s
Right column, second checkbox from the bottom.
Please submit this complaint on the official complaint form
Detest, Voyager, missing/extra pips.
Notes: WHERE IS HARRY’S PROMOTION?!
This also grinds my gears, especially after so many officers die during the course of the series. So many junior officer ranks are time-defined promotions (in real life) and even if they weren’t time based, slots opened up due to all the people dying.
I am not sure I like TOS because hair (pike)
By far Pike’s most noticeable feature in TOS.
This needs a love checkbox. Because, seriously, I love Pike’s hair, and I really need a place to complain about it.
That’s a different form
…of love
I: Am just not interested in
Star Trek:
- Discovery
- SNW
Unspecified (specify): They’re prequels.
I already imagined the backstories for the shows I’ve seen… are you not supposed to? A prequel isn’t going to ever line up to how I imagined the backstory (how could it, everyone has a different imagination) so there’s always going to be dissonance with a prequel. Not that I hate these shows, just not interested in them.
Make Star Trek Legacy and move the story forward pls, thx.
Sorry, I’ve already imagined the backstory of Discovery Season 3-5. Those centuries are now off-limits.
Yeah well Discovery totally messes with the established timeline. They have a ship that’s more advanced than anything we’ve ever seen on screen before and yet, it’s pre TNG, eh?
It’s not that I don’t like the writing, or the characters, but the least (literally the very least) they could do is have a bit of respect for the source material.
Don’t you also imagine future developments of the stories you enjoy? I’m already imagining what Starfleet Academy is going to give us, doesn’t matter if it’s a prequel or not. I just have to set my imagined version aside when the actual show airs.
In my mind Strange New Worlds is in a parallel universe. Not the mirror universe, or the Kelvin universe, but another another universe.
But I want to go back to DS9 darn it. I want to know how that all ends.
SNW is so good I’d sooner toss TOS if forced to choose (which I’m not). The musical episode is vastly better than Turnabout: Intruder.
Please enter beep box to complain
No checkbox for Wesley Crusher? 🤔
Checkbox for annoying minor character with limited screen time
I dislike LD because it’s too hyper.
It does get less hyper as it goes on, but only to a point.
My complaint is I don’t know half of the acronym.
Super Teleport Adventure Ramble: Tuvix Razing Extermination Kink
If you say it loud enough you’ll almost sound precocious.
