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Mozilla is going to absolute shit lately. Partnering with a fucking ad network? You’ve got to be kidding me. Firefox is still the better browser, but it’s time to abandon Firefox proper for forks that get rid of Mozilla’s bullshit. I have been using Librewolf for a while and unlike Firefox, it’s not adware.
I just switched to Firefox to get away from Browser who prevent me from using an adblocker extension. sigh
for anybody that wants to disable it, go to the settings and search for “Allow websites to perform privacy-preserving ad measurement”
(or through the
dom.private-attribution.submission.enabledflag inabout:config)https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution
An argument I frequently make about using an ad blocker is that I’d be more comfortable with ads if they weren’t so thirsty for personal information. I still stand by that, and I’m not completely convinced this satisfies that concern. Personal data is still getting slurped up, but now we have the privilege of trusting it’s completely anonymized.
Smells like there’s BIG enshittification ahead…
Servo cannot come soon enough. And yet… it’s so far from being even close to ready for real usage.
Here’s how it works:
- Secure Environment: Data sets are matched in a highly secure environment, ensuring advertisers, publishers, and Anonym don’t access any user level data.
- Anonymized Analytics: The process results in anonymized insights and models, helping advertisers measure and improve campaign performance while safeguarding consumer privacy.
- Differential Privacy Algorithms: These algorithms add “noise” to the data, protecting it from being traced back to individual users.
Okay. It’s still boils down to give us all the data and trust us. But hopefully they’re more trustworthy than other people, and not corrupted by influence and money like other humans are?
By combining Mozilla’s scale and trusted reputation with Anonym’s cutting-edge technology, we can enhance user privacy and advertising effectiveness, leveling the playing field for all stakeholders.
I was surprised they said they’re so explicitly, but yeah they’re trying to monetize the Mozilla reputation for things that I’m not sure stick to their core philosophy
Sounds like Chrome’s Privacy Sandbox.
To me, this only makes sense if it’s integrated advertising in the browser. Trying to get third party websites to use their advertising network probably will be a very difficult sale.
It could be a way of greenwashing, or whatever the expression is for privacy washing, businesses like meta, Google, by letting them license a “privacy friendly” advertisement platform.
As far as I’m aware, there’s only two major online advertising platforms, meta and Google. So breaking in is a third platform would be difficult, unless they could integrate into apps directly through Mozilla’s app footprint
driving advertising performance requires privacy-enhancing approaches to data driven marketing. Anonym’s privacy preserving solutions allow you to take full advantage of your data assets.
Fundamentally, privacy and data-driven marketing are diametrically opposed
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Basically I see two options:
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This works for advertisers and based on your “profile” you are strongly influenced by the ads shown to you. So might just as well give your data to Meta and Google, who already sell profiled (and not individualised) ads.
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This doesn’t work for advertisers and you are not strongly influence by the ads shown to you. So the advertisers could just as well put a link somewhere and hope it is found by their target audience.
Also I don’t my browser, my OS or any other core component on my system to be in bed with people who are trying to extract as much money as possible from me.
100%. Conflict of interest is a very real problem
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By combining Mozilla’s scale and trusted reputation with Anonym’s cutting-edge technology…
Ya, that reputation is taking a big hit right now.
Timing is a bit sus… While google making chrome straight up ad serving client … Firefox does something shiti?
Collusion or not, can’t even get the clock is broken twice a day from these “businesses” jfc
These people never skip a time to fuck the user.
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I’ve been using Firefox since the beginning, before that Mozilla, and before that Netscape Navigator.
But I think it’s finally time to switch to Librewolf.
I don’t want digital advertising of any kind, even if my privacy is “preserved” through fancy data-laundering.
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They do need to earn some money after all
If every ad-supported website went dark today, nothing of value would be lost.
I don’t agree. As a single counter example of many YouTube has a huge wealth of information and content.
Maybe that value isn’t worth the ads, that is much harder to say for certain. But it is clear that there is some valuable information on some sites that are supported by ads.
Duckduckgo manages to have privacy respecting ads. I really value that. If you’re searching cars, cars pop up, they don’t look at your history or anything else. Unobtrusive and you can look away
And you can just… Turn them off. No questions asked. DuckDuckGo is a great example of how an advertising company can be both financially viable and respecting of user-choice.
Google could let users choose to opt out of seeing any ads across their network for free today and still be one of the most profitable companies in existence. A huge percentage of users wouldn’t know or care to turn ads off, another percentage actually wants them, and for advanced users they could offer more advanced, useful features for money.
But try pitching that to stakeholders and upper-management lol
That’s a nice thought.
Then you suddenly realize no one knows up from down or down from up. Society would shift on such a massive scale people would probably just stick their smartphones in a drawer and only use them to message people they already know personally and check them a few times a day like an answering machine.
Then suddenly you realize you haven’t heard about Ukraine, Russia, Israel or Palestine in months. It’s November 28th and you heard someone mention a ‘new president’ but you didn’t even vote. Shit, you forgot to vote. There were no social media or news websites reminding you about the election and you didn’t have it on your new wall calendar yet! Ah that’s what all those “Vote Now!!!” yard signs were about, fuck…
It’s a nice thought, but the internet is powered by ads. (Almost?) Every subscription-supported website is also ad-supported. The internet would basically go under. AFAIK all the Lemmy apps have ads too. It’d be a nice change to get back to get a force shove back to the early-mid 90’s. Maybe we’d do things differently. People would certainly be outside talking to each other a lot more.
This sounds like the kind of thing a Zoomer who has no memory of life before the Internet – or the Internet of the '90s before the advertisers got a hold of it, for that matter – would write.
AFAIK all the Lemmy apps have ads too.
LOL, nope. Try getting your apps from F-Droid instead of the Google Play Store.
Genuine questions: If we get rid of all the ads, how do news companies get funded? Information can be freely copied and redistributed online – including all news articles. How would our favorite tech sites be funded?
I’ll be honest, I donate every chance I get to support devs for the awesome free software and services they provide, but news is different. I don’t actually pay for any news. It comes from so many sources. What’s the best financial model for news companies in a capitalist society? As a consumer, what’s the ethical model for paying for or consuming news?
@[email protected] has whored his karma already, he isn’t answering these additional questions which call into question his false assumptions.
This sounds like the kind of thing a Zoomer who has no memory of life before the Internet – or the Internet of the '90s before the advertisers got a hold of it, for that matter – would write.
To clear that up, I’m coming up on 40. We got our first family computer with a 56k modem in 1995. I’m not saying ads are a good thing, I’m telling you that 99% of websites are ad-powered.
Back then companies had websites as a novelty, or way to find information about their company. All the newspapers that had websites were simply putting their major articles on the internet as a bonus, and as a business strategy to push subscriptions for their physical paper. Most everyone still purchased a subscription to their physical newspapers and magazines. Now, basically nobody has a newspaper or magazine subscription unless it’s online, but most people still don’t… The tech savvy use archive.ph and similar, and the old and non tech-savvy use their 3-article limit and might buy a month subscription to read an article they really have to read, or maybe even a year like the old days, but most don’t pay for a subscription at all, and that’s where the ads come in.
However, since social media has become the dominant news-spreading mechanism, many or most don’t even read articles. They read headlines and talk shit or ask questions in the comments section, of things which were answered in the article. In the 90s those people would be reading the articles as something to do, and to stay somewhat informed. Today, their smartphone would ding or buzz before they finished the first article.
P.S. I’m Degoogled and use Graphene without GSF on my main profile so I use Aurora, Neo Store, and F-Droid. Currently using Boost installed with Aurora. What’s a good recommendation for a good, fast, FOSS Lemmy client that doesn’t show ads that I can get with F-Droid?
Jerboa. Eternity. If you put some effort, you would find quite a few. There is probably also some random blog or Github repo/page with a list of Lemmy clients.
Voyager
I use Eternity, which is based on the old Infinity app for that other platform
I’m really liking this, thank you for the suggestion.
Wikipedia’s source links? Lemmy’s news links? KnowYourMeme, GIF websites?
Let’s just hope that they won’t use it as a justification to put ads in your browser, or go the brave route.
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I’m going to hope for the best and assume this has nothing to do with their browser. Mozilla has a lot of other products.
I, for one, do not welcome any form of advertising.
Well this is a tremendous step in the wrong direction. The economic problem is the ad supported model in the first place, no matter how it’s run. This is the same thing Google does, they keep user data to themselves and sell the ad placement. So now Mozilla has the same economic incentives as Google. Unfathomably bad move.
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It would be nice if this were true, but typically if the population doesn’t have money to spend to buy things, advertising to them doesn’t return much money either
I mean for digital content. I live in Indonesia, and majority of people cannot afford to pay digital service, but an ads of foods or essential stuff works.
