Hey now. Rogue One is out there.
Despite some of the stupif shit like explaining why his name is Solo I liked the han solo movie too
I’m ok with all of the stupid stuff except for that scene. It’s Star Wars, it’s fine to be stupid, but “my name is Han and I’m here by myself” crossed the line.
Haven’t seen it, but that just sounds like a poorly written Ellis Island scene.
It’s worth a watch. Probably best to smoke a joint first, it’s not exactly a thinker. But it’s a fun movie, and a lot of Star Wars seems to be lacking in fun lately. But be prepared for the cringe in one particular scene.
The most yeehaw Star Wars there was since Star Wars
Honestly, if it was a sci-fi heist movie that was unrelated to Star Wars, I think people would have liked it a lot.
I really do wonder what might have been if it released before, rather than after, The Last Jedi. I only ended up seeing it because I got to go to a free screening with the new chewie, and it was a fun movie. I think at least on par with the prequels, but certainly more felt more “star wars” then the Sequels.
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Funny, i really thought the movie fell apart towards the end
Couldn’t disagree more. You’d miss out on such bangers as “Congratulations, you are being rescued. Please do not resist.”
Witty one liners are all well and good, but they don’t exactly make for a well paced or interesting story.
Fun fact; in the scene where K2SO slaps Cassian while pretending he’s a prisoner, Alan ad-libbed the “And there’s a fresh one…” line, and Diego Luna immediately cracked the fuck up during the take, but being a total pro he manages to (almost) hide it behind his hand while pretending he’s holding his face. Alan’s delivery was so good that they kept the take.
Rogue One is how you do two acts of slow burn, followed by a third act that gives you payoff for your patience.
The first season of Picard is exactly how not to do that.
Slow burn is great when you have strong character writing and world building. These are things of which Rogue One has virtually none.
Definitely a top 4 Star Wars movie. Possibly top 2.
I really loved that one character has a French accent, because he’s from the planet France.
french planet would have quebecouis moon that thinks they’re better than the planet
Do the think they’re better than France? Or just better than the rest Canada, and American tourists?
My buddy’s wife was raised by French Canadians, he said they tend to have a superiority complex over actual France 🤷♂️
And they would be correct at that.
Oh god, the horror of having a completely french planet.
It’s cool they’re really sexy.
The Twi’lek planet, Ryloth, is the French planet
French planet? Sounds basé.
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Star Wars (no, it wasn’t “EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE”), Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were the only good SW movies. The rest are embarrassingly bad fanfiction. Just because people laugh at the prequel memes doesn’t make the prequels good. We as a society fell when we started laughing at all the horrible parts of the prequels and then asked ourselves “wait, if we’re being entertained by the prequels, does that mean they were good?” and coming to the absolute wrong conclusion.
I think technology is the issue. When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects, as the special effects tech has gotten better the story telling seems to rely on the tech as opposed to overcoming the tech (this is all movies/shows not just this franchise). Iirc the death star was a bunch of models of battle ships and other things pasted together, not sure if they did fly-by-wire (Red Dwarf was really good at this practical effect) for the space battles. As an aside, we also tend to like the ones we grew up watching, I’m in the original trilogy is the best (pushin 50), but to those that were my age for the prequels think the prequels are the better series, not sure about the sequels.
When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects
I’m curious, have you watched the original trilogy with the original practical effects, and not the crappy CGI that George added later?
Ok, I am being misunderstood. The “practical effects” were amazing by the standards of the day, and are now basically a thing of the past. The ingenuity was second to none, but the light sabers, blaster bolts etc “special effects” were not the best. And yes I did see that atrocity and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap. If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better. My main point, and it goes beyond star wars, is much of cinema and TV rely on CGI special effects and the writers hope that will get them over the line.
Clunky = takes a lot of space, expensive = self explanatory, time consuming = getting models to behave properly
Ah, thanks for clarifying. That’s an interesting position. I never found the light sabers or blaster bolts in the original trilogy to look that bad. And the practical effects, models, and sets, certainly look superior to the CGI sets in the prequels.
If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better.
I’m not so sure about this. I think that the limitations George had at the time ended up being part of what made the original trilogy so good. If George had access to better special effects, would we still have gotten scenes like these?
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Or would we have gotten this instead?
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George being able to do “whatever he wants” does not necessarily lead to the best movie.
and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap
Search up “Harmy despecialized” and “4k77”. There are many other Star Wars fans who feel the way you do, and they have taken matters into their own hands :)
Are you kidding? Star Wars had amazing special effects for its day. Yeah, they look clunky now. But you know what? The special effects in Wizard of Oz looked clunky in the 1970s.
As for good story telling…what? This is Star Wars we’re talking about, not Fine Art. It’s pretty much a reshooting of The Hidden Fortress … in space!
It’s a fun movie, but damn do people lionize it far beyond what it ever actually was.
I liked the prequels more than the original trilogy.
Sequels were garbage.
Calm down, Jar Jar.
Darth JarJar
That’s Darth Jar Jar to you.
I didn’t but I’m glad you did.
the choreography and music were amazing (with some complaints, I wish Yoda fought more like Gandalf than spiderman)
The saber choreography was lifeless and boring. It was all senseless flare.
Hell I’ll say the sequel trilogy has better lightsaber choreography.
You might have different priorities in what you want to see in lightsaber fights. For me, the flair is the good stuff! All of the energy, backflips and shit, while still respecting the different saber forms? That’s cool.
What year were you born?
I liked Andor :(
Not a movie so it’s fine. That and the Ewoks TV show ofc
What a banger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WFjM3QWKlE
Andor was so well done that it stressed me out. The cheesy schlock of Bobafet was just what I needed.
Honestly, fair (and I say that as someone who is a huge, huge, HUGE fan of Andor). Like, if you’re looking for some cheesy fun science fantasy schlock about space wizards, do not watch that show.
Honestly that’s what made Andor so damn good. Not a whiff of The Force shenanigans. Just an ordinary guy trying to live his life and keep his head down, and that just isn’t enough because of the level of corruption in The Empire.
One way out, indeed.
It pains me no end that there’s all this great fiction out there in a vast universe just waiting to happen, and they keep coming back to the same boring family of fucking space wizards.
Idk, I feel like we just haven’t visited tatooine enough.
But for real, there are thousands of inhabitable planets in star wars and we always end up on one of like 6. They make the galaxy feel so small.
Andor is amazing!
Hell yeah it is
Andor is the kind of show where I would literally recommend it to someone who hates Star Wars. It’s just such an incredibly raw, powerful, and vital piece of media. One of the finest works of anti-fascist art I’ve seen in a long time.
Anyone who hasn’t watched that show is robbing themselves. Moments like “one way out” and Luthen’s “sacrifice” monologue are going to live with me for a long time. Season 2 can’t come soon enough.
Also B2EMO is the best droid in all of Star Wars (Fun fact; his voice is the puppeteer’s, but it wasn’t supposed to be. They were planning to overdub, but then the guy did such an amazing job on the set that they just gave him the role).
Andor is really slow art. It takes a while to build, but once you’re in, you’re hooked. Can’t wait for season 2, either. People were really concerned when Disney took over SW, and the modern movies are pretty mid (except Rogue One, which is amazing), however the series that have come out of their takeover have been mostly fantastic or at the very least just enjoyable. Andor and Mandalorian being the stars. Boba Fett was pretty disappointing though.
Andor worked despite being Star Wars, not because of it. It very well could be even better for people who don’t like SW. Knowing how it fits into the larger universe is nice, but it isn’t required. It’s just a good anti-fascist freedom fighter story that happens to use Star Wars language and aesthetics.
It’s fucking jarring when the ISB name drop Palpatine. You completely forget it’s star wars at some points
I’m not sure I fully agree there. I think it’s absolutely accurate to say that Andor didn’t need to be Star Wars. Like, you absolutely could file all the serial numbers off and get a show that works in more or less exactly the same way.
With that said, I think Andor absolutely benefits from being Star Wars, in a couple of a ways.
The first is that they can skip all the broad strokes world building. We don’t need the concept of the galactic empire explained to us, or the general structure of how the senate works, and so on. The big pieces are all in place, so they can get straight to the small scale world building instead. This would be a solvable problem if you were creating something new, but its definitely nice that they get to skip straight to the important bits this way.
The second, bigger benefit (IMO) is the juxtaposition created by the tonal shift. Something that’s very notable about Star Wars is that the tone and the content are often rather at odds with each other. George Lucas is on record as saying that in his mind the Rebellion were the Viet-Cong (with the obvious implication that the Empire is the USA). That’s some fucking heavy shit. Luke’s adoptive parents get brutally murdered by agents of the state, for absolutely no crime at all, and this inspires him to take up with a group of, well, terrorists. I mean, this is literally the same as a young Palestinian joining up with Hamas. Star Wars is about some really, really heavy shit, but it also starts with the line “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…” This is a fairy-tale about magic space wizards, but also a story about insurgents blowing up a massive military installation, and eventually performing a coup and assassinating the head of state.
Over the years, the story around Star Wars has leaned increasingly into the “magic space wizards” side of things. It’s seen as a family friendly property, something for kids to enjoy at Disneyland. The creators of Andor set out to intentionally shock the audience by creating something that leans hard away from that family friendly image. Andor is a fucking dark story, about desperate people adopting brutal methods in the face of brutal oppression.
And they’re not just doing that for shock value. The point of this is to tell a story about the ways in which we idealise “rebels” in one breath and condemn “terrorists” in another. To many people, Luke is a hero, but that young man who joins up with Hamas is a monster. Reality is complicated and messy. Hamas are a real political group, with a real ideology, and despite the monstrous oppression they face, some of that ideology really sucks. Their targets aren’t “Storm Troopers”, they’re often civilians, or conscripts. On the other hand, many of those conscripts behave in ways far more monstrous than anything the empire is ever depicted as doing.
Andor is a story about fascism, about the absolute necessity of resisting it, and about the monstrous personal cost that resistance can demand of us. By setting that story against the backdrop of a “family friendly” property I think it really does a lot to drive home the disconnect between our ideals of resistance and the cold, hard reality.
anti-fascist freedom fighter story
I mean that’s arguably what Star Wars is.
The Prequels and Sequels each flubbed it in their own way by being either too meandering or too self-obsessed, but Andor is basically a forceless movie trilogy broken into episodes.
I don’t know that you even have to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy Andor. It’s not like Star Wars lore was super important. The Force and Jedi are not even parts of the plot.
Andor was worth the 250m they spent on it
Honestly yeah, 1, 2, and 3 are amazing and never needed sequels.
I would argue that Jedi deserves everything the prequels get
RotJ is where Lucas started to not have pushback on story ideas. It still mostly works but some silliness is leaking through. Especially in the Special Edition, but Empire is the only one that really wasn’t effected by those.
100% agree! RotJ is where the cracks started to show. I think people forget this because all the nonsense that followed, starting with the Special Editions, makes RotJ seem restrained in comparison.
I honestly cannot believe you forgot about the Skywalker twins.
“I’ve always known.”
Somehow.
Still not as stupid as George’s decision to have Leia remember their mother as “beautiful but sad” and then have Padme die two minutes after Leia is born. Like, damn, Leia’s got a good memory.
I would be generous and interpret that as Leah remembering Bail Organa’s wife (who it must remembered, she thought was her mother until like, an hour before that conversation), or else constructing memories of an ideal woman.
At least, until Obi Wan, but whatever
Your point still stands. She only found out she was adopted like an hour prior.
She only found out she was adopted like an hour prior.
Wait, who did she find this out from? Her adoptive parents were presumably killed in Star Wars with the destruction of Alderaan.
It’s also implied that she knew she was adopted. Luke asks her “do you remember your mother, your real mother?” and Leia replies “Just a little bit. She died when I was very young”.
Bilbo Bagshot : What about the Ewoks? They were rubbish! You don’t complain about them!
Tim : Yeah, but Jar Jar Binks makes the Ewoks look like fucking Shaft!
Leah makes out with Luke.
“Somehow, I’ve always known.”
I’ve always believed that the Star Wars universe needs a faction that is cognizant that the cycle of Jedi / Sith is irrational fanaticism of ideology and the force is ideologically neutral.
I have always believed the force is always meant not to be balanced via organization, but balanced per person, that the truth is light side and dark side are just concepts and bad conclusions based on centuries of orthodoxy.
I kept thinking they’d go there, and they still haven’t.
The Jedi sense of balance isn’t balanced at all.
There is no Sequel Trilogy in Ba Sing Se.
Here we are safe. Here we are free.
There are eight movies and no sequel trilogy:
Last Turn To The Dark Side (prequel single movie cut)
Kenobi (Patterson Cut)
Rogue One
New Hope
Holiday Special
Lego Holiday Special
ESB
ROTJI wouldn’t even be mad if someone came back and actually made 7-9. Not a repeat of 4-6 that was called 7-9.
Nope :’(
Too true!
(There is no other movie!)
No one hates Star Wars half as much as Star Wars fans.
Then I must be the biggest star wars fan
I love start wars
The ratio on this post makes me think there is hope for lemmy afterall.
For real
No, there’s the original trilogy, the prequels, and the “Oh, it was Palpatine the whole time. …again. How original.”
8 really ruined it. 7 had problems but I could forgive some of them because “Disney still trying to figure it out.”
Then 8 happened. Closed off all story threads from 7 without any fanfare at all, and closed off all of its own potential threads within itself, leaving absolutely nothing for 9 to follow up on. Multiple character assassinations, and the entire Canto section could be deleted from the film and zero context would be lost.
9 was never going to succeed. It couldn’t have. There was nothing for it to build on from 8.
7 put Luke hiding on an island while a war was going on and left 8 to take the flak for explaining why. There was no way to make 8 without pissing people off.
Luke was one small puzzle piece of that shitpile
Then I don’t understand. 8 developed Poe further by exploring the character arc for the daring overconfident pilot. Finn was given a reason to fight for the rebellion instead of trying to run away with Rey every 5 minutes. We got some absolutely great character development with Rey having a natural inclination to the dark side which builds on the fact she used the dark side to defeat Kylo in 7, and we use her as a lens to explore the “born special” trope in Star Wars, getting into more of her past history and getting satisfying answers.
Yeah Disney cheaping out on paying Mark Hamill for more than one movie (other than cameos) was probably the biggest problem with the ST. But TFA portrayed Luke Skywalker with a cameo better than TLJ which had him for a whole movie.
Sure Disney killing off the character that symbolizes hope to save money was always going to piss people off, but FFS at least give us one movie where Luke goes on an adventure to save the galaxy. And the ending where “it was all just illusion” made me think “well this movie sucked… he never even left that fucking island, but at least he’s still alive so maybe he’ll do something in the next one” then the movie is like “haha nope!” It was the most infuriating way to handle a studio mandated character death possible.
Luke using an illusion to save the rebellion was the best ending to the arc they established. He spends the whole movie angry that everyone is mythologising him and expecting him to be perfect. Then he uses his myth to trick the bad guys. If he’d showed up in person, he would have been giving in to the pressure to be this mythical figure. His arc would have been accepting that everyone who thinks Luke Skywalker is perfect is right. But instead, he uses the myth for shenanigans, which is a very much Luke-like thing to do.
It’s all just Meta wankery to me. Like the writer is thinking “how do I portray this character has reached mythological levels in our culture? I know I’ll make the movie about that! I’m so brilliant!” Fap fap fap
It’s a “sir, this is a Wendy’s” kind of thing. This is a Star Wars. Fun action adventure movie. Kind of movie kids wear costumes when they go see it. It’s not that I don’t understand the “Star Wars movies are an illusion, but if that illusion inspires children, that’s what really matters!” message to it. And it’s not that the message is wrong. It’s just that it’s obvious and boring.
It’s fine to have this kind of wankery in a Knives Out kind of movie or whatever, but it’s a Star Wars FFS. Pew pew pew voom voom. The challenge is to have a message in the subtext of a fun action adventure, not to spew out an obvious and shallow message overlayed on top of the action that’s constantly telling the audience the movie isn’t real. We know it’s not real, but make a movie that lets us turn off our phones and pretend it’s real for a few hours.
Star Wars is about Taoist philosophy. The following two movies are about how America’s war on Vietnam is unjust, and the next three are about 9/11, which is really fucking clever because 9/11 hadn’t even happened yet when the first one came out and George Lucas successfully predicted it. Star Wars has always been about high-minded philosophy and politics. Your comment rests on the assumption that Star Wars is mindless entertainment that never comments on the real world, but that’s always been false.
And the ST is about Vladimir Putin working in the background before revealing that fascism has been there this whole time, we just didn’t notice. Somehow fascism returned! An authoritarian with thousands of super weapons capable of destroying entire cities suddenly attacks out of nowhere and everyone in the world has to band together to help the resistance.
Putin’s invasion of Ukraine didn’t happen yet, but JJ Abrams predicted it! The JJ Abrams Star Wars movies were about high-minded philosophy and politics.
Your comment rests on the assumption that JJ Abrams movies are mindless entertainment that never comments on the real world, but that’s always been false.
Really though, the JJ Abrams movies have quite a lot to say about the emotional paths to fascism. From indoctrination to bad relationships with a father figure, the relationship to our ancestors, our need to restore a past empire. It’s all there. The prequels are very dated, just immature shots being fired at a W. Bush and Newt Gingrich. The JJ Abrams movies explore the emotions that lead fascism, which will always be relevant.
Ever see the statue of a confederate general being removed? If you did, you’d see a reproduction of an evil guy that died a long time ago being moved around with a crane. What do you see at the beginning of RoS again? You might see it as mindless entertainment but there’s a message there, it’s just that JJ Abrams isn’t spoon-feeding it to you.
If you think 7 is good you are a hopeless movie watcher, it set up nothing just typical jj abrams mystery boxes, is a straight up rehashing of A new hope and it did nothing of note. 8 tried to deviate from another shadowy mysterious bad guy aka Wish.com palpatine and do something different and it did it well.
And then 9 is a straight up piece of shit the only good part of it is the first montage with Kylo Ten being the boss and fucking shit up, they really dropped the ball by backpedaling from 8
I didn’t say 7 was good, only that I was willing to be more forgiving since it was Disney’s first Star Wars film.
8 did nothing well but destroy Star Wars at every turn. I would say because of what it did, I consider 9 to be better than 8. 9 could never have been good, and that is completely the fault of 8.
9 is a flaming piece of shit on every level. I think its even insulting to call it a movie given how fucking shit it is.
How can you say that 9 is better than 8 because 8 destoryed stuff (what exactly?) Meanwhile 9 literally destroys the whole OT and PT story arc of Anakin/Vader
RoS seemed consistent with the OT to me. Well Rey doesn’t bring Palpatine back from the dark side (she doesn’t even try) but that’s because it’s impossible to redeem someone who’s dead. It’s a contrast between the relationship to family and relationship to ancestors. Nice message about not being defined by our ancestors which children learning about the horrible things their ancestors did might connect with.
But other than that it’s the same “destinies and prophecies are for suckers” as Star Wars has always been.
I’m just here to second the opinion that, while 7 was uninteresting, 8 basically destroyed Star Wars as a franchise, and that as imperfect as 9 is, it’s practically a miracle that it was as good as it was with what it had to follow.
Episode 9 was the worst thing in existence, well would have been if not for Season 8 of GoT.
They had a proper face-off of who can make the worst fucking thing in existence
Oh… soooooo say i’ve seen 8, but never got around to seeing 9… I should just chill and consider it done?
Yes probably. I forget if it had a single good scene.
You should forget 7 or 8 ever existed and skip 9 completely.
This is the optimal solution.
I hadn’t seen 9 for the longest time and just read online how stupid it was. Then I watched it with that expectation and yes, totally confirmed. If anything you might want to watch it to see what a dumpster fire it is. But don’t prioritize it over other stuff you want to watch.
Except 9 isn’t “so bad it’s good,” it’s just bad. I would not recommend anyone watch episodes 7-9 at all.
I didn’t say its so bad that its good. I said its a dumpster fire.
Yup I was just chiming in to clarify for any other Lemmy users who could have gotten the wrong impression. Episode 9 is a dumpster fire with no redeeming qualities and should be avoided at all costs
What story threads? There were no story threads. There was hopeful fans who wanted to create things out of thin air. That’s about it. There was more from 8 to lead off from than 7.
8 gets a lot of hate along with the rest of the sequels, and I remember being pissed off of its scorched earth treatment of every single plot point from 7 after watching it in the movie theatre, but looking back… at least it tried to be original. The scenes are visually memorable, and its message that even nobody can rise up to be a hero, is miles better than… whatever the 9 did with Rey.
I can’t understand why people think it was original. It felt like the storylines from ESB and RoTJ were thrown into a blender.
Like when the they go with Benicio del Toro I initially thought “well he’s going to betray them like Lando did”. But then I thought “nah… that’s too obvious” But nope, it didn’t do anything new other than removing the point of Lando’s plotline.
When Kylo Ren kill Snoke, it was just like Vader killing the Emperor.
I guess it’s original because it’s the only Star Wars movie where Luke Skywalker dies? Even then he faded away like Obi Wan did, but I guess because it’s Luke Skywalker it’s different somehow? Maybe because he cast an illusion spell before it happened? Like what’s actually original in TLJ?
They had Andy Serkis playing a villain in a Star Wars movie. With basically a blank slate that they could do anything with. Instead, nothing.
There was a mystery about who Rey is. Could reveal something interesting there. Instead they went with she’s related to nobodies. But nobodies that the First Order seemed to know about for some reason.
What was Luke looking for on that island? I guess nothing, he just went there to be a hermit or whatever.
Who are the Knights of Ren? Not even mentioned.
What did TLJ set up for the next movie? Rey and Kylo Ren fight? Rey and Kylo Ren kiss? Both of these things happen in RoS and it took like five minutes of screen time. Kylo Ren was the only villain left and there were maybe a couple dozen Resistance left at the end to TLJ. There wasn’t much they could do other than bring back an old villain, Ian McDiarmid was available so… somehow Palpatine returned.
I actually respect RoS for not trying to give some bullshit explanation. It’s just like “you like the Emperor, right?” Yup. “Well here he is. Darkside-cloning-whatever” Good enough for me! Now show him shooting lightning bolts! “Sure! BZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz!”
3/5 stars, because it showed Emperor Palpatine blast an X-Wing with lightning. RoS gave no fucks and I love it for that.
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TLJ was just ESB and RoTJ thrown into a blender while removing the point of everything.
I feel like with TLJ I watched a different movie than everyone else. I didn’t dislike it because it was different, I disliked it because it was unoriginal, a reboot that followed a reboot.
A pity they already had the entire EU to work from and decided to obliterate it all… until they fucked up their own shit so badly they started bringing it back.
We could have had another trilogy centered around an established strong female character.
Mara Jade.
Sure, mix and match in some new ideas to make it work better as films than novels. The idea of Finn (a defecting stormtrooper) absolutely works in this setting.
But the original cast is too old for that time period!
Well we’ve now seen that Luke can be portrayed reasonably well with another actor and face and voice changing tech.
Have a whole trilogy set in basically the Mando/Asoka time period, but use the Mandalorians in a more adult story about the difficulty of establishing and maintaining alliances when the New Republic is young, the Imperial Remnant still exists, and now basically its chaos as various factions are picking sides.
Thrawn can be the big bad, but his presence is barely hinted at in 7, makes his appearance in 8 and has a major victory, and is defeated in 9.
You could even work in Boba Fett and Asoka! Maybe Thrawn sends Fett to assassinate Luke in 8 and he is seriously wounded or his new gaggle of Jedi trainees are fucked up, but Asoka helps Luke fend him off on the Millennium Falcon!
But uh nope, instead we got A New Hope v2, A B and C plot clusterfuck with a side of break hyperspace and all space combat lore, followed by Duct Tape and Bullshit.
We could have had another trilogy centered around an established strong female character.
Mara Jade.
The character that could’ve broken the barrier against having older women do action would’ve been Princess Leia. And they were too gutless to have her do anything. She was in a coma for most of TLJ and hid in a bunker (too afraid to face her own son) for the rest of it. They say they make movies about strong women, but it’s only if they’re young. You can have older men do action, but they aren’t going to have an older woman do action.
Excellent point, I totally agree.
We got a poorly written Holdo instead, closest thing to a strong older female character… I think she shoots a blaster… once?
Only older woman doing action in a recent major movie I can think of is Sarah Connor.
Brought back Ford for another Indi movies, that whole series with Liam Neeson, all of the Expendables movies, etc.
But yeah, the voice and face morph tech was basically available, they could have used Hamil and Fisher for the lines and most of the acting (you know, CGI and/or stunt doubles for the more intense action scenes same as basically every actor over 50 other than Tom Cruise), just maybe de age their voices and faces a tad to be set more proximally after 6, and focus more on her training, grand tragedy of her and han and Jacen becoming Caedus…
There is absolutely enough established lore there that could be worked into a trilogy focusing on the growth of Leia, showcasing a strong mother and warrior and diplomat/leader.
It is honestly completely baffling to me still that they threw out the EU. Sure, not all the plot lines are great, but they could have gone in so many directions with it.
I had always assumed the obvious problem with making a new trilogy would be:
Ok, we have so, so much established canon to work with, what parts of it can we focus on or interweave and tweak a bit to tell precisely the kind if story we want?
But nope, they just fucking binned it all.
Yeah maybe I’m just bitter because they advertised TLJ as “being about strong women” and it made me think we were going to see Leia do some bad ass shit with a light saber. I was so down for that. Instead she Mary Poppinsed her way across the screen and was in a coma for most of the movie.
Having older people do action is always a challenge, check the scene where Liam Neeson is climbing over a fence and there’s like 20 cuts before he makes it. But Star Wars is the kind of thing where that isn’t much of an issue. Carrie Fisher could wave around a s stick and throw out her hand and with some CGI she’s be deflecting blaster shots and throwing around Stormtroopers using the force.
Instead we don’t see Leia with a lightsaber until RoS and it’s CGI. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate them finally showing Leia with a lightsaber. I will always defend RoS because of this… and Palpatine blasting X-Wings with lightning bolts, because fuck it, it’s Star Wars have some fun people.
Ok, we have so, so much established canon to work with, what parts of it can we focus on or interweave and tweak a bit to tell precisely the kind if story we want?
Yeah but you gotta consider what Star Wars is about at it’s core: some kids going on an adventure to save the galaxy. A lot of the EU wouldn’t work because the actors that portray the characters are too old to do those stories in the same way. Still they should’ve had Leia with a lightsaber and bring in Thrawn, who could have some younger underlings himself. And yeah Mara Jade could make an appearance too, but it wouldn’t be a starring role. But at least have the older characters doing things to help and maybe have the good old “I’ll deal with this” thing happen so the kids can get away.
TFA was the best of the three because Han Solo did stuff. Luke and Leia just didn’t feel all that relevant in the other movies. I give RoS a pass because Luke Skywalker was dead in the story and Carrie Fisher was dead in real life. Not much could be done at that point. TLJ was where things needed to go down, but it just didn’t.
The originals are overrated too.
It’s a multibillion dollar franchise. How exactly is it overrated? Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s over rated.
You’re confusing over/under rated with popularity.
No I’m not. You are confusing your own tastes with what is generally considered “good”.
The original trilogy is solid. Those films are 40+ years old. Obviously they don’t compare to anything you’ll see now.
They didn’t say you weren’t allowed to like them.
Im still waiting on someone to tell me how the original trilogy is over rated. Sounds like the movie didn’t have enough flashing lights and loud noises your y’all.
The originals have an avg rating of 8.5 and an avg rotten tomatoes score of 90. Not only are they incredibly popular but they continued to be well scored by people that have never seen them.
Again please explain how they are over rated.
I don’t think they are over rated, I’m just saying this defensive mentality is strange. Let them think it’s overrated. It shouldn’t detract from your joy.
Again please explain how they are over rated.
If I say “x is overrated” it’s a statement of my opinion relative to the average rating of x. That’s literally what the sentence means. Stating the average rating of x doesn’t disprove anything. You’re not even engaging with the idea lol. And there’s little reason to since it’s literally just someone’s opinion relative to the mainstream.
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I am like you and that I like words to have specific meanings.
“Overrated” has to mean that the current rating is too high and should be adjusted, and those making such a claim should be prepared to prove summary bullet points.
I think the 50th Academy Awards nailed it. Not best picture. No actor awards. Best sound, best music, best costumes, best art direction, best special effects, best editing.
Outside of that, it was a great homage to Saturday serials that played at movie theaters in the 40s. Just like European orchestral classical music sometimes elevated peasant folk songs into a higher art form, Lucas did similar for those old short black and white kids movies my dad told me about from his childhood.
So, the first one, in my opinion, is not overrated. It’s rated just about right.
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the local theater (we had one in our town) kept star wars playing (and only star wars) for a year. it wasn’t until around grease and jaws2 that they played anything else.
same thing happened for the other two films of what became the original trilogy.
basically turned me off to the whole ‘franchise’. all the films star wars kept from me as a small town kid by being on eternal repeat in the only theater accessible to me at the time.
i did see the original first three films–one time each, the first week of their initial runs.
but none since.
Honestly, I like the prequel universe more. The movies are just a bit weird sometimes
Hell no. The prequels are more ambitious in terms of world building but god awful in character development. They are all show and no go. There is close to no reason to buy into any of the characteristics of any of the main cast other than Obi-Wan. And even that is spotty depending on who he was interacting with on screen.
There is no compelling emotional attachment to any story or their struggle. It’s a bunch of “it was the history of the original” novelty built in. It’s cool. I still watch them.
But there is not a single fucking scene that is close to Luke looking out into the sunset wanting more from his life and the audience knowing what that’s about. There is no “I love you” and “I know” moment where they have done actual things within the story to believe they actually love each other. There is no moment where the good in a person redeems themselves for all the bad they have done to save their son with the evil that they have always had to just be better for one moment.
There is no goddamn way the prequels will ever be better than the original in any universe.
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I liked that they (the prequels) expanded the world of star wars and felt fun and fantastical (as I imagine the original triology felt when it came out). The Sequels tried to be too dark and moody in my opinion.
That’s why I hated empire strikes back. It was trying too hard to be edgy.
. . . that’s what life is, it’s a series of down endings.
Return of the Jedi was better. It brought the series back to a whimsical nature.
bunch a muppets
They’re called Ewoks
Can you expand on that ? What exactly did being too edgy look like in 1980 ?
It was edgy in the same way a Zack Snyder film is.
Says the edgy comment…
