• @[email protected]
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      The only thing that can protect from a child killer, is a child killer killer. The solution is to have more killers. Stop trying to regulate killers.

  • @[email protected]
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    Who wants to make a trauma triage for tots nonprofit with me? We can gather former military medics to volunteer their time to teach kindergartners how to triage traumatic injuries and gunshot wounds. This could save lives people!

    Just imagine, little Timmy could bleed out if we don’t teach little Sophia how to properly apply a tourniquet!

  • @[email protected]
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    I honestly can’t believe they haven’t tried to give shooting courses to kindergartners.

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        You anti gun people are using the same argument as religious people talking about sex ed. “Should we teach kids how to be safe around guns? No! Just make sure they never ever encounter one!”

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          The one I linked specifically mentions shooting afterwards for kids as young as 7…

          But yes if guns are at home they should be locked (and really locked, like a trigger lock plus a safe that’s set to something besides 1111, holy crap you’d be surprised at how cavelier some people are) and totally inaccessible to kids. Teaching single digit age kids about guns is not a substitute for that, but of course I’m not saying you shouldn’t teach your kids that they shouldn’t touch guns and what they can do.

          And teaching kids about guns will not solve the serious gun problems in America. The gun problems unique to America that pretty much every other industrialized nation has figured out already. And it’s a horrible tragedy that stuff like “the heroes program” to teach preschoolers how to deal with active shooters is necessary in this country. All to please gun nuts.

          https://www.safekidsinc.com/

          Most gun nuts aren’t too interested in education anyways:

          https://www.thetrace.org/2022/01/which-states-require-firearm-safety-course-concealed-carry/

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            And teaching kids about guns will not solve the serious gun problems in America.

            Ok but it’s still a pretty obviously good idea. Will definitely save lives. Children’s lives.

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              Teaching kids to use guns doesn’t save kids’ lives. If you want to teach em to stay away from guns, that they’re deadly, they shouldn’t touch it and should tell an adult right away go ahead.

              Teaching kids to use guns in the name of gun safety is like saying you need to teach them how to drive in case they find some car keys lying around and decide to take it for a spin.

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                Do you teach your kids to swim, or to stay away from water? Guess which is more effective at preventing drowning?

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                If you want to teach em to stay away from guns, that they’re deadly, they shouldn’t touch it and should tell an adult right away go ahead.

                That IS gun safety education.

                Also the first rule of gun safety: a gun is ALWAYS LOADED

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                  Stop for one second, re read the conversation, and the link. I’m criticizing teaching 7 year old kids to shoot, not criticizing teaching actual gun safety. That was a straw man you set up to knock down.

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              Already in the comment, click the links.

              https://www.safekidsinc.com/hero-program-overview

              Here’s where it goes through their curriculum per grade level including pre schoolers.

              The 'heroes" program is not teaching pre schoolers to use guns, it’s teaching them about active shooter situations.

              The other link was the one offering actual gun training (for 7 year olds and up so second graders potentially).

              My comment was that it’s sad we apparently need programs to to teach pre schoolers about how to deal with active shooting situations now.

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                I don’t see the problem with teaching 7 year olds firearm safety. You’re throwing your credibility out the window by including that.

                Beyond that though, it is sad, but it isn’t a gun problem. Yes, getting rid of guns would get rid of most shootings. However, it wouldn’t deal with the underlying problems causing these incidents, and it wouldn’t help the vast majority of violence in schools. Also, most school shootings, contrary to popular belief, are one or two people, not mass shootings. When our schools are a home to bullies, sexually abusive staff, racially segregated districts (yes, in the 21st century), economically segregated districts, republican defunding efforts, a loss of teachers especially during and immediately post-pandemic, and racially based gangs that perform regular violence against each other, it comes as no surprise, at least to me, that this violence is occurring. If it wasn’t a gun, it would be another weapon. We need to focus on the actual problems, not the ones that make us sad and grab our attention, especially when disarming the populace gives our already authoritarian police state even more power.

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          I’m only half joking, because at this point the kids might as well be able to fight back rather than us doing fuck all while countless are fed to the golden throne.

  • @[email protected]
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    We have too many guns, all you will do is take away guns from people that are not going to do anything wrong, and then make tens of millions of law abiding people into criminals.

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          Short quips based on American exceptionalism get low effort responses ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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            Its not short quips its unsurmountable facts. It doesnt even start to get into deeper arguments about what people should or shouldnt be allowed. Its literally impossible to take away guns without huge country destroying impacts.

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                Its silly if you dont know people with guns and how many they have. I really do think its a cultural thing and you just are not aware of the other people. Cue “I grew up around guns and…”

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                  No, guns are for maiming and killing living things. I didn’t grow up in the bush or in a rural area, so there was no need to shoot anything.

                  Had my parents raised me around guns in suburbia then I would have categorised them as reckless fuckwits.

                  Because who in their right mind keeps guns anywhere near children? That’s absurd. To think that’s normal is institutionalised, cult-thought.

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    Pakistan did this thing where they banned rifles (and basically anything not a handgun) without extensive permits for all new gun sales. Then they offered to buy all the guns, which a ton of people traded in for some cash, which greatly reduced the amount of firearms owned by the public.

    It would work great here except there’s a 0% chance the government would want to use money to solve a problem.

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      Hey, that’s not true. If the problem is that billionaires’ bank accounts aren’t full enough, the government will absolutely run truckloads of freshly-minted bills as fast as they can.

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    If gunning down little kids with lunchboxes isn’t enough to make you dial the guns town a notch, then nothing will.

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          The mass school shootings didn’t really take off off until the mid 2000s. So we are really just seeing the generation of constant mass shootings come into adulthood.

          When columbine happened it was rare for that type of shooting to happen at a school. The actual rate of school shootings was rapidly dropping by the late 90s too. It is still much lower than it was, only these mass shootings has increased. So, with it being, at the time, a rare event, and shootings in schools on a rapid decline, it just didn’t hit the way it seems to have affected gen z/alpha.

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    We teachers once has a “stop the bleed” training before school started (high school) a few years ago It was very sobering and traumatizing. We haven’t repeated it but we had to learn about using tourniquets, packing wounds, and stopping the bleeding after a school mass shooting. I’m sure it led to teacher turnover.

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    Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Pro-2A, for all who want to bear arms:

    Rock, Flag, and Eagle!:

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    Republicans, universal gun care and state mandated child control, but only after you’ve suffered 9 months against your will to bring them into this world if you even survive the experience.

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    “BuT gUns doNt kilL PeoPle, PeoPle kilL PeoPle”

    Then regulate fucking people’s access to guns! It’s not that hard.

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      Problem is, gun are useful.
      They protect our children.
      They protect our food supply.
      They protect our freedom.

      And people have been killing each other for centuries before guns were invented. Thinking that guns are the reason for death is clearly propaganda. But you all know that. I’m just here to point out what actual reality looks like. Since none of you have ever touched grass.

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        I have had to say this many times lately, just because something is propaganda, doesn’t automatically make it false.

        The best propaganda is the truth.

        Since you clearly have no idea of how propaganda works.

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        Since none of you have ever touched grass.

        you really are deranged.

        Guns don’t protect shit. Get that through your fucking melon.

        People with weapons protect countries. They’re trained and equipped just for that purpose, we call it a military, you bellend. Probably couldn’t pass an asvab, obviously you’ve never been in the mud. Touch grass? JFC…

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            I like when they surprise me. “Capitalism perfect, guns good, diversity bad,” builds up a sort of caricature. Then that is completely broken with the weird digression, “HTTPS is bad and imperfect, throw it all out.”

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        Cars are useful. Cars protect children in many situations. Cars are among the things that majorly contribute to even having a food supply. Cars freedom patriotism eagles liberty-gasm!

        Yet it is still possible to have cars serve those functions without giving in to the lobbies that wish to make it mandatory to get paid for shoving a car down the throat of every loony who wants one to hurt others with. Because cars are well regulated to make them as safe as possible.

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          Because cars are well regulated to make them as safe as possible.

          While this is debatable, the regulation of cars is still a useful allegory for gun regulation.

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          Because cars are well regulated to make them as safe as possible.

          Usually for those inside, not outside

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        Problem is, gun are useful.

        Problem is, people are stupid.

        Which is evidenced by both your shitty grammar, and tired argument.

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        I live in the Netherlands. No one I know owns a gun. Yet I have all the things you list in abundance. Added bonus: lack of school shootings and gun violence.

        Your propaganda argument is nothing but you sticking your head in the sand. That, or you are a successful troll.

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          But how do you deal with the horrors of all that communism?

          Is it not a terrifying wasteland with less… consumer goods? I would die without my Kit Kat flavored Trix cereal.

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        Guns don’t protect children. They’re the leading cause of death in children.

        I have no idea what you’re talking about with protecting food…hunting? Not how most people get their food. Most people get food from a grocery store…where they’re increasingly likely to get shot.

        If the freedom line was in reference to the military, there’s hardly a vet alive who’s done that… they’re all dead from old age. The only wars we’ve been fighting were for revenge or resources. I say that as a vet.

        If you’re talking about protecting us from our government…as far as I know, nobody has even won an armed confrontation with the police or feds over freedoms. Guns made Waco worse. Guns made Ruby Ridge worse. I guess the Bundy’s protected their “right” to steal from taxpayers by grazing their cattle on public land without paying for it like they should have. That feels like a less important right than “life” to me personally.

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    America loves their school shootings. If they didn’t, they would’ve done something about it by now.