They aren’t the same. They are bad in different ways. One side are corporate shills who are looking to depress the power of workers the other wants to kill blacks, lgbtqa+, Latinos and turn women into sex slave baby machines.
One is clearly worse and we should vote against them, but don’t tell me the Democrats aren’t bad.
Aren’t republicans also corporate shills who are looking to depress the power of workers? And aren’t they much more open about being so?
They absolutely are. My point was, and I apologize if it didn’t come through, republicans are bad in every way Democrats are and beyond. But the Democrats aren’t good.
Yea but they gotta both sides somehow.
Since left wingers tend to be obnoxious assholes to anyone who doesn’t mindlessly parrot whatever rhetoric they think u should already know, I just assume they’re as bad as anyone else be cause I tend to prefer people who actually treat me with respect.
Edit: I called it and look who comes out of the woodworks to call me names and rude sarcasm.
A human being would have said “I’m sorry that you’ve dealt with the worst of us but it’s not all of us, or at least not me”. Instead I got a bunch of shit flinging monkeys.
cunt.
I’m sorry that you’ve dealt with the worst of us but it’s not all of us, or at least not me.
Now for the love of any chance we have remaining to fix this country please vote Biden. We do not have the luxury of stopping Trump by splitting our vote when his minions are all voting together.
Yeah because if there is one thing right wingers are known for, its an active debateculture that resists everyone stepping in line
Lol
I never said anything about conservatives debating well. I just said just about every liberal I’ve known was like you, an asshole.
What mental hospital are you living in?
America
You want to be treated with respect? What snowflakey whining is this? Need a safe space, liberal crybaby? Fuck your feelings! Real conservatives grab others by the genitals when- and wherever they feel like it (when you’re rich, they let you do it). A cage is good enough when you rip apart families seeking asylum! Get outta here with your communist tree-hugging fascist rules and regulations on how I am to behave.
Sorry, I was possessed by the spirit of the right wing’s leader slash all of his propaganda mouthpieces there for a minute. What I parroted there wasn’t very respectful. Nobody should ever say that to anybody else.
You mean the entire other wing that calls people “snowflakes” when someone asks them to please not be complete self-centered asshats? Those people that treat you with respect when you don’t parrot their rhetoric instead?
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Maybe your experience in a corrupt country doesn’t translate directly to ours…?
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Nothing is ever THAT equal. And you have the gall to call ME a naive idiot? I won’t be able to convince you, but you need to get a bigger perspective.
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This is pretty meaningless if it doesn’t include which levels are counted. Is this just congress? Is it the national level? Does this include the state and local levels? Without proper context this turns from an insightful piece of information to propaganda.
Exactly. This makes me feel good! We’re the good guys!
Overall not helpful
Your feelings on the matter don’t invalidate my point
I agreed with you :)
You’re absolutely right. I interpreted your comment as sarcastic but when i read it a second time, I see we’re on the same page. Sorry about that.
Reading comprehension dude
Vote for the ones that don’t get caught.
Idiot
Succinct. 😂
What’s more likely:
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A grand conspiracy that’s lasted for 50 years, that somehow has infected every branch of govt, but somehow still doesn’t guarantee victory in elections, presidential and otherwise.
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Democrats are less corrupt.
I was making a silly joke based on the likelihood that most people have committed crimes and gotten away with it. For example, Obama talks openly about smoking pot in his 1995 memoir. He didn’t get caught.
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If the Republicans have been in power more than Democrats, why haven’t they investigated all the Democrats and sued them? Are you saying that the Republicans are incompetent? Tell me this also, which party holds the majority in Supreme Court right now?
So even if what you’re insinuating were true: do you really want to vote for the corrupt and stupid rather than the corrupt and smart? I’d at least trust the corrupt and smart people to run the country in a way that doesn’t lead to catastrophic failure.
Yeah well you didn’t include tan suit scandals so it doesn’t count
also condiments!
They’re not the same, but they do work together to thwart the will and prosperity of the people. The game wouldn’t work if they were exactly the same.
Good cop, bad cop.
They both serve the rich first and foremost which is a critical issue for them to be “both sides” on. Yes, republicans are worse, but that doesn’t make democrats good.
No party that “served the rich” would’ve even let people like Bernie into the party, let alone give them committee assignments and let them run for president on their ticket.
There’s no point in arguing that the Democratic Party is entirely controlled by the rich other than to encourage political nihilism. It has always been possible and always will be possible to beat wins out of (or even change/become) the party establishment through concerted effort and activism, as happened in the 30s, the Civil Rights Era, and the purging of the Blue Dogs after the Civil Rights era.
Bernie’s losses were disheartening, but abandoning any effort to sway the democrats and writing them off as “servants of the rich” when the decade before 2016 had been one of growing progressivism within the party and when Bernie unfortunately never even beat Hillary in a Dem Primary Poll, is the political equivalent of taking your ball and going home.
Bash on the DNC and NDC all you want, but until we replace them with progressives like was done to the segregationist dems or lose doing so, there’s no point in writing off the Democratic Party.
That they fought harder to stop Bernie from getting the nomination twice than they ever fought against trump speaks volumes. Just because they allow progressives to do a few minimal things, doesn’t mean the party does not serve the rich first and foremost. This is like how freedom of speech is allowed until it becomes a threat to the establishment (see pro-Palestinian protests that were shut down with bullshit excuses). When the possibility arose that Bernie could make actual significant change, the party threw a shitfit.
The democratic party will never be replaced with progressives because their donors won’t allow it.
That they fought harder to stop Bernie from getting the nomination twice than they ever fought against trump speaks volumes.
I don’t remember almost every single Democrat bashing Bernie publicly every single time they had the chance like most democrats did with Trump for the last 8 years. Are you not remembering the firestorm of statements from elected officials anytime Trump did something horrific?
The democratic party will never be replaced with progressives because their donors won’t allow it.
I bet Malcom X and the Segregationist Democrats would’ve felt the exact same, and yet that last set of reactionary Dems has been completely purged from the party since the 60s.
Democrats bashed trump while helping him behind the scenes: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Speaking of which, they love funding fascists in general: https://www.vox.com/23274469/democrats-extremist-republicans-mastriano-cox-bailey
Meanwhile they actively attacked Bernie calling him old (which is funny to think about now) and mocking his supporters as “Bernie bros” as they pulled all the stops to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination. Democrats may call trump “dangerous” and his supporters “deplorable” but they do nothing to actually try to stop trump. They just offer up the most milquetoast of candidates as opposition, then shrug their shoulders with “at least he’s not trump”. It’s like a bad wrestling skit.
Meanwhile they actively attacked Bernie calling him old (which is funny to think about now) and mocking his supporters as “Bernie bros” as they pulled all the stops to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination.
This is what a couple media pundits said yes, I don’t think this is evidence that liberals secretly would rather have fascism however, for the same reason as I stated before, they spent almost every day of his presidency condemning him.
Democrats bashed trump while helping him behind the scenes: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Speaking of which, they love funding fascists in general: https://www.vox.com/23274469/democrats-extremist-republicans-mastriano-cox-bailey
Again, a few instances of some Democrats making stupid decisions and making a stupid tactical electoral decision, is not evidence that they prefer Trump to Bernie, or that they fought Bernie harder.
For every article you can provide of an out of touch media pundit saying something about Bernie, or a party strategist making a dumb decision around Trump, I can find 10 times that amount of Democrats condemning something Trump did.
The vast majority of liberal democrats criticizing Bernie cake during the two primaries, during which they were still criticizing Trump, and the majority of the non-primary time this past 8 years has been spent attacking Trump. Again, that doesn’t sound like more effort against Bernie than Trump to me.
As a non-american just watching the democratic shitshow I can’t believe why on earth there are only two parties. If the parties are fucked up, build a new one. That’s what democracy is made for.
Macrons party in France was fresh up from the ground at his first election.
PS. I’m aware that France is a bad example actually, but the fact about his party is still true.
First past the post elections. If we had ranked choice or runoff elections, more parties would appear.
Instead, in FPTP, every vote that is not for one of the two highest-polling candidates is objectively a wasted vote. Game theory dictates that the only rational choice is a vote for one of those two candidates, since the possibility of a third party gaining enough votes to win in any single election is nearly infinitesimal. So instead of many parties, all candidates self-sort into one of the two viable parties. Any candidate that does not is a protest candidate or deluded, but in either case, there is no hope of actually winning.
So what about primaries? The primary system decides the candidates, but even that is tainted by FPTP, because primary voters have to guess which will perform better in a FPTP general election and often vote against their ideal candidate in the hopes of winning (or, not losing) the general.
In short, until we structurally reform elections to be ranked/STAR/runoff/etc to remove the punitive effect of voting for your actual ideal candidate, we’re stuck with a prisoner’s dilemma election every time.
As a non-american just watching the democratic shitshow I can’t believe why on earth there are only two parties.
In a lot of cases, there’s only one real functioning party. Smaller states and gerrymandered districts tend to have a single dominant party and a secondary dissident party, with the dominant party controlling all the statewide offices and most of the legislative seats, while the dissident party controls some number of municipal seats where they have a local majority.
Macrons party in France was fresh up from the ground at his first election.
Macron spun En Marche out of the collapsed ruin of Hollande’s Socialist Party (*) (for whom he was deputy secretary general until Hollande’s ouster). He was more akin to Lincoln’s Republicans (who emerged from the wrecked carcass of the American Whig Party) or Theodore Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Party (which might as well have been Republicans For Roosevelt Party, given how badly Wilson rocked both him and Taft).
(*) don’t get too existed. they were pretty thin on actual socialism.
Le Penn’s National Front has a real foundation (of French fascists) that existed before she started mobilizing the party and will stick around after she’s gone. Similarly the New Popular Front (not to be confused with The People’s Front of Judea rimshot) has a broad coalition of support that transcends any one leader. Both are more in line with a traditional American party.
Looks like I know shit about French politics, thanks, TIL.
Btw. maybe it needs a strong movement to create a real third party. A workers union for example, there is a lot of potential if they unite. BLM, too. America had strong movements in the past but none of them went into a political party, sadly.
Americans are near universally convinced that third-parties are a dead end, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. I’ve never understood it and I would’ve thought having two obviously non-viable candidates would challenge that assumption, but it doesn’t seem like anything will. The classic Simpsons bit where both candidates get replaced by evil space aliens but still get elected because “what are you going to do, vote third party?” was not an exaggeration in the slightest. Americans just accept anything.
its because the indivual states entrenched the two parties. It’s really difficult to form another national party. The two main candidates also often run as nominess for smaller state level parties.
They are not the same, the republicans are the psychopath shooting up a classroom of kids, and the democrats are the Uvalde cops tasing those that try to stop it.
God that’s so perfect I want to nab that and blast it on a megaphone.
Oh so the party of law and order was meaning the party that keeps law enforcement busy
There’s only one thing the gop loves more than LOUD projection and that’s abusing kids. The party of the grand ol’ pedophiles
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(TRUMP) Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Kentucky & Former Campbell County Judge, Served as a judge, school board member and city solicitor, forced 19 victims to perform sex acts, including seven who were minors under 16. Pled guilty on February 11, 2018 and was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/05/03/former-judge-tim-nolan-could-sentenced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/
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(TRUMP) Republican George Nader, Trump Foreign Policy Adviser, sentenced to 10 years in prison for possession of child pornography and transporting a minor into the United States for sex. https://www.courthousenews.com/child-sex-trafficker-from-trump-tower-meeting-gets-10-year-sentence/
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(TRUMP) Republican Ralph Shortey, a former Oklahoma state senator & Trump’s Oklahoma campaign chair, was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. Pled guilty to a federal charge of child sex trafficking after hiring a 17-year-old boy for sex. Sentenced to 15 years in prison, in addition to ten years of supervised release and ordered to pay $125,000 in restitution. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-s-oklahoma-campaign-chair-plead-guilt-child-sex-trafficking-n822461
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Republican Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Illinois Congressman and one of the highest-ranking U.S. politicians to ever go to prison, molested at least four boys as young as 14 years of age when he coached wrestling at an Illinois High School. He was sentenced to 15 months in prison, two years’ supervised release, and a $250,000 fine. A civil case was due back in court for a status hearing on Jan. 8, 2021 at the courthouse to further address the jury trial. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ex-u-s-house-speaker-dennis-hastert-starts-prison-term
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Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/22/lawmaker-quits-race-after-daughter-says-he-molested-her-more-than-decade/?utm_term=.8ac8527c7f43
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Republican Jayson Boebert, husband of Q-ANON Republican Congresswoman Lauren Boebert of Colorado, was arrested in Jan. 2004 after allegedly exposing his penis to two women at a bowling alley, according to an arrest affidavit. Lauren Boebert (then a minor at 17 and known as Lauren Opal Roberts) was also there. He pleaded guilty to public indecency and lewd exposure involving minors. https://nypost.com/2021/01/16/gop-rep-lauren-boebert-and-husband-have-racked-up-arrests/
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Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman
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Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. https://web.archive.org/web/20171129052114/http://www.njherald.com/article/20060510/ARTICLE/305109971
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**Republican Joseph Dendy, Cobb County GA Republican Party Chairman & Sunday School Teacher,**was sentenced to life in prison after being convicted on four counts of child molestation, four counts of first-degree cruelty to children, three counts of enticing a child for indecent purposes, and one count each of aggravated sexual battery and aggravated child molestation. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/former-gop-chairman-arrested-on-child-molestation-charges
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Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida. https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=28587
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Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/registered-sex-offender-keeps-custody-of-daughter
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Republican Kentucky state Representative & pastor Dan Johnson, committed suicide after an exposé revealed his serial lies, suspected arson, criminal church, racism, accused rape of a teen and more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Johnson_(Kentucky_politician)
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Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl/
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Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120426/NEWS90/204260334
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Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo
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Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 and 10-year old girls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano
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Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/opinion/journal-beverly-russell-s-prayers.html
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Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same
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Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/06/us/politics-the-senate-maine-candidate-again-faces-1990-child-sex-accusation.html
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Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded “a return to traditional values”, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. http://www.thedp.com/article/2004/01/brother_stephen_convicted_of_soliciting_sex
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Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. https://culteducation.com/group/1255-false-memories/6514-man-in-notorious-sex-case-finishes-term.html
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Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl. https://www.semissourian.com/story/57773.html
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Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same
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Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). http://www.chattanoogan.com/2002/6/21/23202/Tennessee-Legislator-Commits-Suicide.aspx
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Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Oct/08/ln/hawaii710080338.html
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Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters. https://lasvegassun.com/news/2002/oct/14/assembly-candidate-gardner-ruled-ineligible-due-to/
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Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. https://www.wgal.com/article/council-accepts-resignation-of-member-imprisoned-for-rape/6189408
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Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in prison http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repubscandals101707.php
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Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Robin_Vanderwall
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Republican city councilman Mark Harris, described as a “good military man / church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
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Republican Brandon Hixon, Idaho State Representative, resigned while under criminal investigation for molesting two girls, including a young female relative for more than 10 years, then killed himself three months later, shortly before his ex-wife and two others were to testify before a grand jury. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brandon-hixon-former-idaho-lawmaker-facing-sex-abuse-inquiry-kills-himself/
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Republican Tony Yocham, Hamilton, TX Chief of Police, was arrested by Texas Rangers on charges of continuous sexual abuse of a child. https://www.kxxv.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county-chief-of-police-arrested-for-continuous-abuse-of-a-child
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Republican Nathan Larson of the Virginia House of Delegates is a self-confessed pedophile and white supremacist. Was arrested on felony charges for kidnapping, child abduction, soliciting child pornography from a minor and meeting a child for the intention of sex. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-pedophile-white-supremacist-arrested-kidnapping-12-yr-old-girl-n1251832
- NOTE: I’m reaching the character limit on Reddit posts, so here’s a website with a list of about 1000 of these republican shit stains on humanity.
Why isn’t anyone constantly trolling trump about this??
Because he’s a firehose of bullshit (gish gallop) and projection supported by a documented surge of foreign troll/bot farms helping plant and reinforce disinformation. As planned through years of gop attacking basic access to education, health care and a livable wage… the American people are either not equipped or don’t have the energy to deal with that - especially from the position of a president or candidate even - we’re trained to need a national father that will protect us if we get over our skis, so we are intimidated by the idea of fully opposing the office and the process, which is why we allow a convicted felon, compulsive liar to stand on stage as some sort of peer with a serving president.
I’m reaching the character limit on Reddit posts
Reeeeee
Cope
This isn’t Reddit
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Careful, you’ll upset the propagandists.
how bout I take a propa ganda at them honkers
Gottem
That was pretty good.
This isn’t even my style of humor but that’s fucking funny
I honestly have no clue why I posted this
Wait, who was the one?
Blagojevich maybe? I’m not sure exactly what we’re measuring here.
Who, by the way, was pardoned. Want to guess who pardoned him?
I’m pretty sure IL had more corrupt governors before Blagojevich so I don’t think it’s including them.
I don’t know but I’m betting that they were voted in by the great state of New Jersey.
