Based on the 2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
Via a former conservative on Reddit:
- The government won’t allow you to get an abortion even if giving birth would kill you (p.449 - 503)
- The government won’t let you buy condoms or plan b (p.449)
- The government will give more free money to the ultra-rich and the largest corporations (p.691)
- The government will not allow for workers to be protected at work (p.581)
- The government will steal your social security (p.691)
- The government will take away Medicare (p.449)
- The government will not let you find affordable healthcare (p.449)
- The government will refuse to help educate our children (p.319)
- The government will give your tax money to private schools for christians (p.319)
- The government will force public schools to become religious schools for christians (p.319)
- The government will fire you for the color of your skin (p545 - 581)
- The government will tell you what you’re allowed to think (p319)
- The government will sell our land to be permanently destroyed (p417)
- The government will sell the arctic to oil companies (p363)
- Big business and oil will be allowed to do whatever they want without consequences (p.363)
- The government will tell you what a family is supposed to look like. Anything else is a crime. (p.545 - 581)
- The government will make us deaf/blind to attack by destroying the FBI and Homeland Security (p.133)
- The government will build concentration camps to get rid of anyone deemed un-American (p.133)
- If you’re born in the United States you are not automatically a citizen (p.133)
- The government will make it legal for food to be poison (p.363 - 417)
Claims without a citation yet:
- The government will not let you get a divorce without “proof” of wrongdoing
- Your taxes will go up
- The government will not let you retire
- Drugs will cost more
- The government will let your kids go hungry while they are forced to attend these schools
- The government will tell you what you’re allowed to read and burn the rest
- The government will freely kill citizens they disagree with
- The government will attack single mothers because that’s not a “traditional” family
- The government will order our active-duty military to attack us if we protest
- The government will make being muslim on American soil a crime
- The government will make sure all judges are more loyal to the party than they are to the country
Nice work!
I think bullet point 5, about stealing social security, is better cited by page 710, where it is explicitly stated as an “area of concern”
Donald Trump has nothing to offer
What happens when they all die of old age in a few years?
Even more vicious people will take their place.
Everyone benefits.
I can’t wait for them to get rid of birthright citizenship and only too late realize that means they must leave the country.
Most of this shit is already happening right now?
They’re trying to get this stuff done now, iirc the whole thing about project 2025 is they want everything queued up for the first days that Trump is in office so that he can hit the ground running
So if all of this stuff is currently happening under Biden, why should I support him? If he wins, won’t it just continue?
None of the stuff they’re doing yet is stuff that can be blocked by the president, most of it is happening in right wing courts and the supreme court that Trump/conservatives rammed a conservative majority into
If trump gets elected there are more things he can push through, and they won’t have to worry about a veto if they try to pass an actual law rather than using court rulings. Republicans put a lot of time and planning into this project 2025 planning, it’s not just some ultra right winger dudes in a house throwing stuff together, it’s a lot of political and legal experts working together and putting a lot of time and effort into planning these things and figuring out how to force each of them into existence in ways that can’t be blocked or stopped
I don’t like Biden and would prefer basically any other left candidate, but if Trump gets elected there is a lot more that they can do without fear of it being blocked. That’s why they’re not doing all of these right now, they’re just getting things in place to do them day 1 if Trump gets elected
One might almost think that the government designed by slaveowners is the problem if this is the result: a segregationist genocidal dementia-addled corporate puppet running against his twin.
I guess, mathematically, every thread has to have its “stupidest take”…
Yours.
Wrong again, but I won’t kink-shame.
How is project 2025 worse than project 1492?
How is it different than a tuna sandwich.
Correct, none of this is happening under Biden. Please point out specific examples
“It’s okay for the US military to slaughter children in Palestine, but it’s not okay for them to do that here. Unless their papers aren’t in order.” — liberals
But whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout
Shut up
What about if they were your kids?
Is this for real? Looks like something I would write to ridicule christian and tRump nuts .
Yeah. Most of it is laid out in Project 2025.
More hysterical fantasy from brainwashed morons.
It’s literally not, though.
Nothing but the WEFs opposite number, a convenient boogie man.
Is it really a “boogie man” if the organization is super up-front and blatant about doing bad things?
Well you tell me. Is the WEF a conspiracy theory or not?
Pretty sure it’s not. They seem to be trying to do good things. The P25 crowd on the other hand is openly trying to do bad things. This all feels cut-and-dry to me.
While I concede the MAGA crowd are brainwashed and probably morons, I’m not sure it’s hysterical or fantasy.
Just about all of this is stuff conservatives have talked about wanting to implement for decades.
They’ve been open and public about it. And some of us never wanted to compromise with it, let alone election cycle after election cycle.
Man … i thought this was a funny meme until i noticed the difference in the post description.
F
Some of the “claims without a citation” are things that were done under the first Trump administration.
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taxes did go up for most Americans under the last tax bill. It’s safe to say that if Republicans need to raise taxes it’ll be through the lower and middle class.
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kids go hungry or into debt for school lunches today because of how little some families make. Trump admin agnostic but definitely a feature for the Republican party and not a bug.
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books are being banned in the US at an alarming rate, look at Florida as a prime example. Trump admin agnostic but definitely a party priority.
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trump suggested multiple times as president that people should just be shot, killed, or executed for things as benign as protesting outside the Whitehouse. He didn’t do it, but it’s a pretty short distance between “the president wants to kill you” and “the president is having you killed”.
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the president did send in national guard and other militarily equipped groups to beat and pepper spray journalists and protestors while president.
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trump appointmented judges clearly lack the experience, qualifications, and apolitical-ness expected of a normal judge. You can see that in the supreme Court and you can see that at the federal judge level.
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Another way to look at this plan is: how to create an unstable and globally uncompetitive workforce.
America will become a shithole country where no one will want to live or work. The rich will send their children to study and work elsewhere.
When America is inhospitable to everyone except to multi-millionaires or billionaires (who live elsewhere rn anyways, btw as they have multiple nationalities and passports), the rest of the upper class will jump ship to other countries, where they will always get to enjoy the progressive policies and culture they deprive others of.
Remember: if the daughter of a rich person will get pregnant, she will have access to abortion
If the children of the rich want to have sex, they will have contraception
The rich will choose to live in countries with Medicare and other social programs
The rich will always have access to rights, and would straight up be able to “buy justice”, like in countries like India, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil etc
The rich will always be able to afford clean water and air
Project 2025 isn’t about race or lgbt or “fambily vablues” as the mealy mouthed hypocrites would have you believe. It’s straight class warfare.
All Americans are a target of the class warfare, regardless of their socioeconomic status. Even the rich are worse off because they get to enjoy the judicial process here in America, as opposed to getting robbed by the state as in Russia or China.
In short, project 2025 is a dumb cunt plan of no foresight or insight, and definitely not written by anyone who has goodwill towards Americans or any patriotism
As we see in the news the move toward the far right is a global phenomenon not just a US thing. Jumping ship is difficult already and there will be fewer desirable countries to go to, as various countries are infected with varying levels of far right. Most Americans don’t understand that you cant just pack up and move to another country. Socially progressive countries have difficult and lengthy immigration processes, and caps. Only the very rich and the lucky few will have that agency annually. Other countries wont be entertaining 10s of thousands of potential American immigrants. If project 2025 is what the younger generations see fit to vote into power then they can reap what they sow.
Far right is on decline in countries with progressive policies, like the Nordic model
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
And it also got the boot out the fucking door in worst defeat in history in the UK recently
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/uk-general-election-results-2024-intl/index.html
People who live under far right policies fucking hate them. Ask anyone living in Russia or Brazil
Brazil GDP has gone down since 2010: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/BRA/brazil/gdp-gross-domestic-product since Lula was voted out
Context about Lula now: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/30/americas/brazil-election-lula-da-silva-wins-intl/index.html
The far right is a nothing burger w.r.t race and culture, it’s always been about class warfare
Edit: yeah, useful idiots will buy into the racism spiel of these ideologies, but they’re just being fooled by their upper class masters
Only here to add onto the UK thing, a big part of the reason the conservatives lost in the UK is because a new-ish party which leans much further right (the reform party) got decently popular, draining away a large proprtion of the voter base.
While the reform party got the same amount seats in parliament as a left leaning but still small party (green), their share of the vote was much larger. So the UK is not neccesarily sick of the far right, just the tories. Its possible the new government will be effective enough to keep the right at bay, but the current state of the labour party is one of a once centre left party sliding further and further right with their leader’s policy on things like the EU and certain marginalised minorities.
My overview is quite biased as i am a left leaning person, and i have ignored things such as the lib dems who gained massive popularity but could’ve split the left wing vote in turn. Its possible that the lib dems could represent the new left of the UK, or that the combined lib dem and labour vote is what we should consider the left.
Fair point, but so far history has shown such people riding in on a wave of economic misery or promise to resolve economic misery (which they previously created), and then getting the boot. I guess there’s more history to be observed ahead
Oh, and I guess Italy under Meloni: https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/italy-gdp-unexpectedly-shrinks-blow-meloni-2023-07-31/
Couldn’t possibly be related to the policies of the last 25 years in these countries. It’s a mystery why people will turn to any change that seems viable.
But you’re not thinking about the short term gains for the 1%!
I honestly don’t even think the people who came up with this are thinking about that. Like nifty said, these policies will create a brain drain that will be bad for the U.S. economy, including the assets of the rich.
This is just some christofacist shit. I don’t think they gave a thought to anything else.
Do you honestly think a significant amount of skilled workers will leave America? Do you think other countries would take us?
Like, I get it. I’ve humored moving to Canada, but it ain’t easy to just up and leave everything. Especially when most people can barely achieve $5k in savings.
I apologize in advance for sounding like a dick here, reducing people to dollars and cents. But that’s how the people we’re discussing see us.
It’s not the ones who don’t have 5k and/or marketable skills that would harm the economy by leaving. If you’ve got something to offer and a company to sponsor you immigration is relatively easy. I’ve spent part of my career working in other countries, and I’ve known many others that have as well. What we have in common is we’re all educated professionals with lots of disposable income. We would harm the economy if we left in larger numbers and stayed away en masse. Although some stay, for the most part we come home. It’s nice to go home. If it’s not nice to come home, we’ll take our education and skills and stay somewhere that is nice. That’s why it’s called a brain drain and not a ditchdigger drain.
And then there are refugees. Countries don’t take refugees because they want them. They do it because it would be inhumane to not at least have a process, even if many countries make the process as onerous as they can.
If this shit goes ahead you’re about to get a whole new insider perspective on refugees, son.
Looks like the Republican party has been taken over by the Taliban. You guys should invade their headquarters and bring them freedom.
They need some oil first, there are guidelines for that 😁
As I intentionally filter out as much US politics as I can, this has come out of nowhere for me.
Australia has a couple of really simple things baked into its electoral system to resist something wildly unpopular like this from getting in power:
- Compulsory voting. These MAGA crazies are not and will never be the majority. If everyone had to vote, they’d never get in.
- Proportional voting. We vote for multiple candidates. If our first choice doesn’t get in, our vote goes to our second choice. Then third etc. we aren’t forced to vote for a lizard just to prevent the worse lizard getting in (it still almost always comes down to two parties, though).
I know these are total non-starters for our American friends. “You can’t make me vote, that’s against the constitution or something”.
As an American, I think I’d support compulsory voting… But the right would fight that with everything they had, because if everyone had to vote, they’d never win with their current stances.
Compulsory voting is definitely intriguing…even if you had the option to vote “null” meaning not vote for anyone but at least you had to make the effort to say something. The crazies I think are a relatively small portion of the US, they’re just SO much louder than everyone else
A null vote here is a option. Colloquially called a Donkey Vote, or statistically reported as an Informal Vote, you can write nothing on your voting slip and put it straight in the box. Also since voting is compulsory it is held on a Saturday, there are usually sausage sizzles, there must be enough polling places open so you’re not in line for more than 30 minutes, and early voting is a viable option.
A Donkey Vote isn’t the same thing as an Informal Vote. A Donkey Vote means simply numbering the candidates in the order they appear on the ballot. In other words, a thoughtless vote that any donkey could do.
This is why there’s a benefit to appearing in the first spot and why the impartial and independent Australian Electoral Commission (another invaluable aspect of Australian democracy) randomly determines candidate order.
Ranked choice voting (proportional) is still making its way slowly into the mainstream, but with very little reason the change the main political parties torpedo it when they can.
I prefer approval voting, it’s easier to explain and at least as good. Most voting systems also have support for it already.
Easy to teach people new to it too, just pick everyone you are ok with winning.
Most commonly suggested voting systems are better than FPTP, usually by a lot.
Yeah, nearly anything is better than FPTP. But approval voting in particular is simple to explain and basically already supported by nearly all voting equipment out there.
Basically instead of picking one person, you pick everyone you’re OK with. Whoever gets the most votes wins. If the election is for multiple seats then the top X people for most votes wins. No ranking order, no multiple rounds, no way to fill out a ballot wrong, it’s utterly simple.
Yeah, these have saved us on a lot of issues I feel. It’s simply a much more representative system than what the Americans do and it helps keep a lot of fringe ideologies at the fringes, where they usually belong.
Minor correction, we have preferential voting not proportional.
What’s Australia’s stance on immigration?
How about Coal?
Mixed, as it is in every wealthy country that has more people wanting to move here than move away from here. Because we have such a large migrant population though it is difficult for politicians to gain traction by being outright anti-immigrant.
Every conservative, every republican gets the fucking wall
Too nice and clean of a punishment.
Not when time is of the essence.
Yeah. We had options in the past. Not now.
