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Aww ye! Can’t wait to get busted because those bouncing boobies shown in the video am enjoying does not follow the “rights of freedom” written by the law #42069. WOO FREEDOM!
Yeah, that’ll quiet down the protests
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I’d love to know how this would work from a technical perspective, say on an iPhone. I can’t imagine apple implementing that sort of functionality for them
The ANT catalog[a] (or TAO catalog) is a classified product catalog by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) of which the version written in 2008–2009 was published by German news magazine Der Spiegel in December 2013. Forty-nine catalog pages[b] with pictures, diagrams and descriptions of espionage devices and spying software were published. The items are available to the Tailored Access Operations unit and are mostly targeted at products from US companies such as Apple, Cisco and Dell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANT_catalog
Ctrl-F “DROPOUTJEEP”
“A software implant for the Apple iPhone that utilizes modular mission applications to provide specific SIGINT functionality. This functionality includes the ability to remotely push/pull files from the device. SMS retrieval, contact list retrieval, voicemail, geolocation, hot mic, camera capture, cell tower location, etc. Command, control and data exfiltration can occur over SMS messaging or a GPRS data connection. All communications with the implant will be covert and encrypted.”
Technically it is easy since they write the OS from the ground up. I wrote such a module myself as part of a low level coding class for my class project (in Linux ) and I’m not even that great at this stuff. They are pros. They have no limits to what data they can collect from your phone. The only impediment is bad publicity, but have a government demand it is great cover for implementing it.
Think of an app that has permissions for your gps and camera
Then imagine that a high court judge demands that the app provider gives access through that
I quit the app. Disable camera access. Etc.
None of that matters apple can override any of that. The only think you can do to prevent it is not have it on you or pull the battery or put it in a faraday cage
Hasn’t France traditionally been on the pro personal liberties side?
How would they technically implement this?
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I assume it’s allowing them the permission to run hacks provided by company’s like NSO
But how do those hacks get into your phone? And how do they work actually? I have fairly limited experience with mobile development, but all I know doesn’t give me confidence in the idea that you can do shit like that
Zero-day exploits in apps like WhatsApp and the phones OS. Recieving and reading a message that has malicious code attached can compromised a device. Even iPhones have been vulnerable. These exploits are valuable and temporary though, so get used on high value targets.
This is a good listen: https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/100/
Isreal is the biggest seller of hacks
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Passing laws that violate peoples privacy should only be passed by a vote from the people. This is bullshit
I don’t imagine we’re going to see stories in the near future about how the police abuse these powers :/
What’s extra scary is the thought that there will be no stories coming out about how this is abused. Not to say that it won’t be, just that the stories that will come out will be how scary the world is and how the police are the only ones keeping everyone safe. Meanwhile some cop is watching someone sleep, or shower, or anything else in the privacy of their own home.
Police
What could go wrong?
Is this the law saying to law enforcement that if they were already able to, they’re now allowed to? Or is it the law saying to phone manufacturers that they must make it possible?
The question is how soon before spyware software that barely hits the mark for police investigations gets turns into a tool for aspiring actors
But hey, that’s just my two cents 🤣
How do you say “All Cops Are Bastards” in French?
I looked it up:
Tous les flics sont des bâtards
Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it
TLFSDB
I’ve always enjoyed “Nique les Flics”, fuck the police.
ACÀB
No an exact equivalent, but a common catchphrase during protests is “Police partout, Justice nulle part” : “Police everywhere, Justice nowhere”.
Well I guess it time to(( checks notes)) ah keep on Rioting
But lawmakers agreed to the bill late Wednesday as Justice Minister Eric Dupond-Moretti insisted the bill would affect only “dozens of cases a year.”
Precisely why it should not be passed! That’s not a good reason at all. It’s not worth eroding people’s rights if it only affects a few cases in my personal opinion. It shows that the law doesn’t need to exist in the first place.
I always love when governments ask for powers to stop only a few cases, and act like it’s justification. Maybe, just maybe, do your job.
It’s like the Apple case for building a backdoor that makes everyone less safe to catch one criminal. They ended up not needing it anyway.
Honestly one of the worst parts is I hate how police/the government can/will abuse these abilities if given a chance, because sometimes those few cases where they could be used they could potentially be really useful.
I work in 911 dispatch, we don’t always have a totally accurate location from a cell phone, people sometimes repeatedly hang up on us, put their phone down and walk away, refuse to answer when we call back, or are too hysterical to answer any questions. Being able to put their phone on speakerphone remotely, keep them from hanging up on us, turn on their camera, etc. so we can see/hear at least some of what’s going on could be really useful sometimes to help make sure we’re sending the right kind of help to the right place. Being able to turn on a phone camera to see where a barricaded subject is in a building or room, see what kinds of weapons he has, hear what he’s saying, etc. could be really useful sometimes. Sometimes someone will butt dial us or their kid playing with their phone will call us a few dozen times in a row, and it would be kind of nice to be able to come over their phone speaker and just say “Hey, you keep calling 911, if you don’t have an emergency can you please stop?”
But cops would rather use those capabilities to harass protesters and such.
It’s a dangerous road to walk for something that would be ‘kind of nice’ in very specific situations.
I agree, but you do also have to remember that a lot of those specific situations I’d be dealing with from the dispatch end of things could very often be life-or-death for the people involved. More accurate information from us could mean getting the right amount of help to the right places faster and using it more effectively, which means lives saved.
It’s very much a double edged sword, it’s technology that could save lives, and it could be used to wrongfully deprive people of their lives and liberty. I’ve outlined some of the ways I would use it to help save lives, I’m not trying to make a judgement about whether or not that good it could do outweighs the harm it could do by being abused. It might, it might not, it’s not exactly clear-cut how the value of a handful of human lives stacks up against the rights and freedoms of the many, and in either case we’re dealing with largely hypothetical situations. My main point is to lament that these capabilities would almost certainly be abused and that because of that we may not get to use them to save lives when we otherwise could have.
I’m imagining a situation where the caller does not want it to be known that they have called emergency. Hostage situations, domestic violence, home intrusions… Last thing you want when you’re hiding in a dark cupboard from an armed stalker is your phone to start blasting at full volume and flashing lights because a well intentioned operator wanted to see through the camera.
That’s the sort of discretion we already have to use though, we have no control over what volume their ringtone may be at when we call back now, we don’t call text to 911 callers unless they confirm it’s safe for them to talk, etc.
Also… what kind of argument is that? It may be dozens a year but once it is normalized with those dozens, it will become few dozens and on and on it goes.
Not a general slippery slope argument, but rather, it’s clear how it makes future erosion easier.
Today: People named Joe who live at this address can be harassed freely and that’s perfectly legal. Tomorrow: It’s not so extreme! Look, see, we’ve never universally respected these rights anyway. There are cases where we legally ignored them. We’re just expanding existing rules to cover more cases.
People always abuse these back doors. Always. To think otherwise is to be ridiculously naive
Technically, any number bigger than 24 counts as “dozens” …
This has to be at least partly because of the civil unrest. Seems to me like a certain ruling class is getting antsy about Frances past and proclivity to remove noggins…
There has been an alarming absense of noggin removal in recent history, it’s not like the evil bastards haven’t been deserving, just nobody unlifes them anymore.
During the debate on Wednesday, the members of parliament in the camp of President Emmanuel Macron inserted an amendment limiting the use of remote spying to “when justified by the nature and seriousness of the crime” and “for a strictly proportional duration.” They noted that a judge must approve any use of the provision, while the total duration of the surveillance cannot exceed six months.
They said sensitive professions, including doctors, journalists, lawyers, judges and MPs, would not be legitimate targets.
I don’t see any here over whether this is technically possible even if it is allowed – I suspect not. How is the French warrant process, in general? Do they require probable cause and limited scopes?
Six months?!
the famous french motto of “the law applies differently to different people”, right?
That’s a general principle in all countries, there are just various shades of it. Also you can count on police to use it illegally knowing that although they won’t be able to use it as evidence in court they can still use it to bust some heads and look for leads
Wouldn’t Apple just tell the French police to go fuck themselves?
DROPOUTJEEP … “A software implant for the Apple iPhone that utilizes modular mission applications to provide specific SIGINT functionality. This functionality includes the ability to remotely push/pull files from the device. SMS retrieval, contact list retrieval, voicemail, geolocation, hot mic, camera capture, cell tower location, etc. Command, control and data exfiltration can occur over SMS messaging or a GPRS data connection. All communications with the implant will be covert and encrypted.”
JFC… that’s dystopian. A rooted android with a custom rom (shoutout GrapheneOS) can disable the GPRS connection, then could rely on dns filtered, firewalled, and VPN’d WiFi networks to make calls and texts.
What’s shitty tho is the average person likely won’t even care and will accept spyware on their device as the new normal. That just makes me sad tbh.
I can’t see why they would. Apple doesn’t care about you, but they probably do care about retaliation from the French government.
Also, those statements appear to conflict. Why are they automatically excluding ‘sensitive professions’ yet stating ‘it depends on the seriousness of the crime’?
