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The homeless man understands the actual value of money which is why he felt remorse.
“Let’s see Paul Allen’s sentence.”
I love that fraudster’s name is actually Paul Allen
his subtle off-white colouring got him a lighter sentence
Off-white collar crime.
I think the issue with the homeless guys it was possible armed robbery and he probably had priors, so its not an insanely long sentence for what he did.
yeah priors, i bet this wasn’t the first time he was hungry that piece of shit. these fucking poors always going like “I’m hungry, I’m hungry” like open your fridge dude. mine’s always full of food and I’m not robbing banks to eat. easy life.
Strawman
not a strawman, I’m saying in a corrupt system that leaves people penniless and homeless and then punishes them for daring to fend for themselves, “priors” doesn’t mean shit. it just means the guy was probably forced to do this before because people usually get hungry more than once in a lifetime.
they gave him piles of money and he only took 100 bucks because he was literally just hungry. that’s not a bad guy, that’s a guy desperately trying to stay barely alive.
You have a cartoonish understanding of crime and economics. The system doesnt get people to this point, they system just steals from everyone and makes us poorer, it doesnt make you do crime. You can blame how he was raised on this, and I would bet there is a long string of things this guy has done that are bad.
the fact that you say this stuff and tell me I have a cartoonish understanding of crime is just fabulous. no notes.
Thank you!
they system just steals from everyone and makes us poorer, it doesnt make you do crime.
Ah yes the free choice of humbly accepting being robbed and starving to death. Very popular among understanders of crime and economics.
How many people starve to death in the US each year due to lack of access to food?
The guy turned himself in he felt so bad for stealing $100 from a bank. I don’t think that’s a sign of a bad dude raised poorly.
But the fact he got 15 years for it is a sign that he hasnt led a good life up until then. These stories are all the same, when you look into it a little, the guy has a history of things, or the whole thing is misleading.
The fact that you believe this nonsense is a huge sign that you haven’t led a good life.
Someone posted the snopes. It calls into question a bunch of assumptions you’re making.
Calling things into question doesnt mean much. Stories like these 99% of the time are misleading.
Should have used that 100$ to invest in a better lawyer. /s
Lore accurate Paul Allen
While a 15 year sentence is definitely too high, it’s important to acknowledge that there is a difference between a bank robbery and fraud.
Yeah, the difference is one’s an honest, victimless crime.
Neither of the crimes is honest nor victimless.
homeless man
He honestly needed money
banks make their money by preying on the poor, and are insured against theft
Victimless
i once heard someone say “prison is for people who steal hundreds, not millions”. this is an exception that there’s even any sentence for the top one.
Tbf, sounds kinda like the homeless man wanted to get caught, maybe for the free rent.
Right. Even if we assume that’s the case it only explains one guy getting a harsh sentence. It doesn’t explain the guy with a way harsher crime not getting a harsh sentence.
Think of it this way. If the other guy had robbed the bank empty, just for the sake of the argument he stole 3 billion, and he didn’t turn himself out do you think he should’ve gotten 40 months?
Yeah, that wasn’t remorse. That was not wanting to live on the streets and being desperate to have a consistent amount of food.
Y’all are making a lot of assumptions none of which involved asking if this man was wrongfully imprisoned.
The homeless guy? He was definitely wrongfully imprisoned. There are plenty of homeless people in locations with poor social safety nets who commit petty crimes to get a roof to sleep under for a while. But the prosecutors and cops get to inflate their numbers so they’re more than happy to throw the book at someone who can’t defend themselves.
You have completely changed the subject. You and the other user said he probably did this on purpose to get food and shelter.
I firmly believe he did. Otherwise he would have stolen more than $100 and wouldn’t have turned himself in. A lot of homeless folks at shelters will commit petty theft and turn themselves in if their time is up or if there are no beds left, especially during extreme heat in places like Texas and Louisiana with poor social safety nets.
You’re the one that brought up the question of wrongful imprisonment so I spoke to that. I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear enough for you, I was trying to speak to your specific concern.
Yes, he was wrongfully imprisoned no matter the motive. $100 ain’t worth that much time, or, honestly, any real time. He was likely looking for a few days to a few weeks of three squares and a cot. Instead he’s sitting in the hoosegow for a decade with time off for good behavior which will make it that much harder for him to get out of his situation and, on top of the gross injustice by people who paint themselves as fiscal conservatives, it’ll cost more than a properly functioning social safety net would have cost to get him housed, fed and back to being part of society where he could be comfortable.
I have a lot of feelings about this that are hard for me to articulate. There are a lot of subjects to cover here. It starts with how shitty we treat the homeless, moves to what some of the homeless have to do just to survive, and ends with how we’re throwing away money just to keep someone down for the rest of their damn life.
It’s possible =/= it happened that way. You have no evidence this was a choice. The reasonable assumption is he did not expect 15 years for $100
They covered him not expecting 15 years.
He was likely looking for a few days to a few weeks of three squares and a cot.
I don’t think anyone expects 15 years over an unarmed robbery of $100 because it’s completely disproportionate.
This is going to sound like I’m being shitty, but I promise this question is genuine because I really feel like I’m missing something.
Is your issue the original language I used when making the assumption about his motive?
Yeah. No wonder they threw the book at him.
I mean come on, who is really the one more deserving of punishment here: the fine upstanding job creator who had a small and momentary lapse of judgement, or the clearly bootstrap-deficient monster who – after choosing to be poor – doesn’t have the moral fortitude to live on the streets like he should?
I think the right answer here would be to sell the guy to the upstanding job creator. The creator gets to prove how upstanding he is. The feckless man with no bootstraps gets a place to stay. Everybody wins! How lovely and compassionate that world would be.
But surely you can’t be suggesting that the homeless man should be housed for free, so that someone who has contributed so much to society has to bear the costs?
Maybe we should let the free markets decide: first, the criminal should sign a completely voluntary contract which specifies that his new owner is entitled to assign to him any work they deem a suitable compensation for his upkeep during his sentence (not signing the contract or shirking work duties leads to a doubling of the sentence and immediate transfer to an isolation cell for the remainder of his sentence), then put him up for auction and sell him to the highest bidder
Well that’s it. We’ve solved homelessness once and for all.
Imagine living in a country where you need to steel a bank in order to get the chance for shelter and food, albeit with no freedom anymore.
The way we treat our vulnerable is sick.
You are showing your innocence.
It is whom your stealing from. Madoff for instance robbed the wrong people, should’ve robbed proletarians.
It costs what $30k a year to keep someone in prison? Great use to taxpayer money for that $100 theft.
It unironically is a great use of money, if it wasn’t they wouldn’t do it. Prison Labor is basically slavery, and just as absurdly profitable, plus private prisons make more money with more inmates and can lobby as such.
Well, mainly it’s about funnelling taxpayer money into the hands of the prison industrial complex cause most states don’t go quite so hard on the prison labor
It’s a positive feedback loop built off of human suffering. Private Prisons lobby for more slave labor, making the Capitalist State more money, while the Prison Industrial Complex gets more money for imprisoning more people, and more slave labor to sell cheap commodities.
A great use of money to whom is the question. Varies wildly depending on your perspective.
Sure, but money exists to benefit the ones holding Capital. The system itself supports and reinforces profit above all else, as such, it’s a great use of money for Capitalists.
If you mean that it’s unethical and negative for the health of society, of course, I agree entirely. We can’t solve this problem outright without transitioning to Socialism.
Oooofff… So close until you replaced liberal cult ideology with tankie cult ideology.
Socialism is “tankie cult ideology?”
I would advise you to read some books (like actual books, not a YouTube video essay about a book) about socialism because it seems to be something very different than you think.
We finally found evidence of something trickling downwards. Or pouring down, rather.
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.” - George Carlin
40 months is slightly less the six years in the same way my pay check is slightly less than my CEOs
Yeah… Really bending the definition of “slightly” there. It would be far more accurate to day “slightly more than three years”.
Homeless guy shoulda stolen $3b instead of just $100 🤷🏻♂️
Let’s see him get a reservation at the Dorsia now, the stupid fucking bastard.
