Some people will be miserable no matter who is running
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Well she did sorta become the Democratic candidate so yeah
Anyone know what happened to the comments on this post
How about a primary. Democrats are supposed to be Democratic.
This is going to be another talking point “but DiD yOU eLecT her???” When in truth only 2% of the US population votes in the primaries
How feasible do you think it is to go down that route right now?
Plenty. There’s MONTHS before the actual election.
No other country in the world has “election seasons” lasting an entire year.
No other country is 50 different countries with different election rules in a trenchcoat.
Is it safe to say that it’s never been done in America before?
Can’t do a primary. There’s no time. We only have enough time for a coronation followed by a bunch of people screaming “Vote Blue No Matter Who!”
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It’s not a coronation. You can still vote for Trump, if you think he’s the better choice.
You have to admit, Joe senility was apparent at the debate.
You didn’t vote for the Biden/Harris ticket? I certainly remember voting for them both.
Someone winning an election once and then being in power for the rest of their life.
What do we call that again
Wut. Are you implying that Harris will change the 4 year presidential cycle?
I didn’t vote for either in my primary. I chose any other Democrat, like many other people.
We don’t need another DA/Prosecutor or proponent of prison slavery and ignorer of Police Brutality as President. She was against the Israeli War before this, I wonder if that position will change now.
Kamala Harris lost badly in the 2020 Primary, so putting everything on her will not do well for us.
If you didn’t just vote for her in 2024 then you were never a Biden/Harris voter to begin with, so I’m not really too concerned with your opinion on the matter.
I don’t understand your comment. Are you literally telling another Democrat that because they didn’t vote for a Biden/Harris ticket in the Democratic party primaries that their opinion does not matter?
I hope that I am misreading it this.
I’m not a Democrat. I don’t care if they are either. But if they didn’t vote for them in the primary, then clearly, they aren’t Biden/Harris supporters anyway. That’s really all I’m saying here.
There already was one. No one but Biden showed up.
And no Jill Stein and your buddy Cornel West are still not viable.
Are you going to flip to bitching about Harris all the time? Most of us know the real reason you’re here even though you won’t admit it.
Are you going to flip to bitching about Harris all the time?
You know he will. His tactics are so obvious.
We’ll find out about 2am eastern when his next shift starts. If there is a reply at all.
Well…yes… American politics is driven by hate.
I nominate Danica Roem. She’s INCREDIBLE, highly effective, and trans, so she’ll have every Republican having the vapours every day 100 times more than Obama did.
Seriously she’s awesome.
I’m not here to say anything negative about Harris, but she DID kick my pregnant sister in the stomach.
I also heard she gave a middle finger to a box of kittens.
She’s a shit candidate and has 0 chance of winning against Trump.
This is doomerist, have y’all slept through the abortion measures being defeated in deep red states? All Harris has to do is campaign on abortion—something Biden refused to do as a Catholic—and the election is fucking won
I think the moment she starts making speeches and getting into the public eye the tides will change. Trump is a drooling bumbling buffoon. Harris will remind people what an actual adult in their prime looks and sounds like.
She’s a shit candidate and has 0 chance of winning against Trump.
Zero percent eh? Which polls are you averaging to get that number?
She’s a great candidate with a 73% chance to beat Trump.
See, it’s not that hard to make up stats!
If you want the actual percentages, go by her own assessment:
"You know they say that all candidates are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Mar-A-Lago Don and you can see that statement is not true. See normally if you go one on one with another candidate, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I’m a judicial freak and I’m not normal. So he’s got a 25 percent, AT BEST, of beating me. Then you add RFK Jr. to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the three-way in the General Election, you got a 33 and a third chance of winning. But ME, I’ve got a 66 and two thirds chance of winning, cause RFK Jr. KNOWS he can’t beat me, and he’s not even gonna try. So Mar-A-Lago Don, you take your 33 and a third chance minus your 25 percent chance, and you got an eight and a third chance of winning in the General Election. But then you take my 75 percent chance of winning if we’s to go one on one, and then add 66 and two thirds percents, I’ve got a hundred and forty one and two thirds chance of winning in the General Election. See, Don, the numbers don’t lie, and they spell disaster for you in the General Election.
But I’m gonna break it down for all you lemmings. Would you rather be with me, or would you rather be with Don?
Well Republicans think Don’s kinda nice?
See, they’re some of those chuds who like fascism. Imma talk to all my freaks out there. Would you rather live in a nation with me at the helm, a judicial freak, to be satisfied every State of the Union, or live in a country with that fatass Mar-A-Lago Don? See, in the primary we’re gonna win, and I’m gonna be the next POTUS in the General Election. C’mon Petey, let’s go.
Hey, Kammy, just like you always say, ‘Kamala H has got your hook up?’ Well, South Bend Mayor Pete is who you need to look up, holla if ya hear THAT!"
Who am I to argue with the math?
Forty-seven percent of stats listed on Lenny are completely made up.
Where? Its been hours yet ive failed to see ANY post bad mouthing kamala
My fellow sdf’er. I will be happy as a clam if I’m wrong. But given the threads I’ve seen so far and that this news is fresh, it’s only a matter of time.
I finally saw one. In hexbear. So take that as you will.
Unsurprising. Nothing short of an openly communist candidate will satisfy tankies.
No, a Putin sr would be required
I’m not so sure about that. There have been communists that stood against putin in elections and I can’t remember a tankie going against putin.
A communist standing against Putin? Are you sure you didn’t mean falling out of the window against Putin?
Jokes aside, you’re probably right, though. Nothing short of a communist-labelled fascist* will satisfy them.
I mean, it’s possible, even probable that putin put them up to it to provide the appearance of an election, but certainly if anyone gets popular opposing him, they’ll end up dead, (as trump’s lawyers actually argued in court should be allowed before they won the presidential immunity argument). They get tiny numbers of votes, according the the official figures.
Nothing short of a communist-labelled fascist* will satisfy them.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Posts or comments? Ive generally seen more relief over joe dropping out than kamala hate…
I mean, there are valid reasons to be anti-Harris, she’s still a right-winger. Leftists aren’t going to be happy voting for any right-winger by default.
Harris could take a firm anti-genocide stance, or promise something big and popular like Medicare for All, which would see increased voter turnout from the Left. However, given her track record, I doubt she would pivot in this direction, instead focusing on being a younger and healthier Joe Biden, essentially. That should make liberals more likely to turn out, so still a net-gain for the Dems.
It’s really too early to tell.
She campaigned for President by proudly supporting Medicare for all.
Yes, then dropped out before the Primaries. This was during a time when there were other candidates like Bernie and Warren pushing hard for it. We will see if she takes this back up, or tries to maintain a “younger Biden” approach.
Harris called for a ceasefire in Gaza in March. She co-sponsored Bernie’s Medicare for All bill. She spent most of her VP term focusing on abortion rights. She pushed for Marijuana rescheduling, which is still ongoing. She checks all the boxes for me.
We will have to see where she moves her campaign. America in 2024 is not America in 2020, where progressive policies were salient. Now, the bar has been lowered to “no genocide,” yet genocide is still a popular DNC position, despite the wishes of the electorate.
Kamala may try to run her campaign on big hope and promises, ie progressive policies and toning down the warhawkish Biden foreign policy, but given the right-wing trajectory of the DNC she may try to focus on garnering establishment support now that she has essentially been handed the nomination.
Only time will tell.
I was a major biden naysayer. Id always love more but this was a huge ask that was answered. Lets kick republican ass
If we get someone better, I’ll be shocked.
Aaaaaaand there we go. First one I’ve seen so far. Here’s a slow golf clap for ya…
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Why not?
“Because reasons!”
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Oh you’ll see. She’s got no charisma. About as boring as Hillary. Harris ran for President in 2020 and didn’t even make it to Iowa.
People shouldn’t vote based upon stage presence. But they do. And this country still has a fuck ton of racist and sexist people.
I’m still going to vote for her. But I’d bet Trump has a much easier path to another EC win against Harris. Biden was boring but conservative enough to make it harder for Trump to win swing states.
See I remember her being pretty sharp in the debates in the 2020 primaries.
That’s fair. But also anyone vs Pence will look good.
No, I said the primaries. Didn’t she go hard on Biden?
Wait I’m sorry. Forgot there were debates in like December of 2019 well before Iowa. I honestly don’t recall those at this point. All I do remember is I was 100% voting Bernie again in the primary.
She bombed out of the Presidential run before Iowa. Her campaign was not good.
How many threads are you going to post this in?
As many as I want. This entire “fediverse” is supposed to be free speech.
We’re electing a president, not a monarch. Nobody is above criticism, and there’s a weird segment of people who act like criticism from the left exists only to help the right.
Like, I actually saw someone say we shouldn’t do it because it’s too nuanced for the average voter, and sorry but I don’t do paternalism like that. If reading criticism of how a candidate isn’t far enough left makes you vote further right, that’s a basic political literacy problem.
I mean, we could focus on defeating the GOP and the day after the election results come in start using social pressure to guide our elected officials. If the criticism risks the GOP seizing even more power, it might be counterproductive to your goals even if the criticism is valid.
It’s a lot easier to criticize the Democratic Party if the GOP is first discarded as useless trash and gets no votes in an election. Then we can decide who among our progressive candidates actually has the best approach forward.
Yet I keep seeing this thought assumed, that a 100% blue vote would “give them too much unchecked power”. This is the difference: We have a party while the GOP has a person. A bullet 2 inches to the right would have destroyed their whole movement.
Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse. For example, Harris’ record as DA is worth criticizing, but any bad decisions related to imprisoning people are going to be a million times worse under Trump, as Project 2025 shows.
Exactly this. On this platform and elsewhere, there is a lot of well-meaning criticism but there are many agents of chaos or narrative pushers that disguise themselves as genuine criticism. I try to interact genuinely and give an opportunity to demonstrate that they are looking for a constructive path forward for the party.
Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse.
Your argument would be great if we didn’t live in the reality presented below. There are too many people sitting on the fence who legitimately cannot discern between a mediocre candidate and a career conman, criminal rapist. Where you see nuance, others see “she’s no better than Trump”.
I like Harris as much as I like Biden, which is not at all, but the alternative is the very real possibility of the end of America.
For my money those charts will look very different after the next debate.
There’s also not a combination of words that’s going to convince me leftists criticizing Dems are going to kill America. Even if Trump gets elected, you are missing every potential lesson if what you take away is “leftists too mean.”
Yeah discouraging voters has never led anywhere bad before.
Being honest isn’t discouraging, it’s not being infantilizing.
Normal people don’t read lefty struggle sessions on the internet. 🙄
It’s a good thing they only let “normal” people vote.
Well, last time we pushed Biden left it was called too soon after election, give them time to form a plan. Form a cabinet, figure out policies.
Then it was midterms. Questioning the policies for misterm gives Republicans a win. They have to keep these conservative polices set by the last Republican to win over Republican voters.
Then it’s 2024. Questioning policies is a win for Republicans. They need to win this election, and then we can push them left.
I’m hoping it ends with a younger nominee.
Biden enacted the most left-wing policies of any president in US history. If that’s not enough for you, you won’t be satisfied with anyone who will get elected in the US.
Vote anyway.
Because when all those people do is criticize Democrats, sabotage outreach efforts, and don’t put any time or effort into defeating fascists, then it is very obvious where they stand.
Like I get it - huffing farts from time to time is great. But you gotta take a break and mix some productive advocacy and outreach if you actually care about Democracy instead of just smelling farts.
Just to point out… many people don’t care about the Democrats, except as a bulwark against the even more right-leaning Republicans. It’s not an institution that they respect and admire, but one they grudgingly tolerate.
I only joined the party so I could vote for Bernie in the 2016 primaries! 😉
If people want a shift to the left, they have to make sure that the Democrats crush the Repulicans for a few election cycles so that the Overton window can stop moving right and go left instead.
Unfortunately, the Repulicans are voting in a united front every election, no matter what.
The Democrats are notably terrible voters. They don’t show up like the Republicans do.
Maybe I’m super cynical, but does that really matter on Lemmy and the platforms connected to it?
Like, who’s reading this comment section that’s actually on the fence about going out and voting for a Harris ticket? It has to be a miniscule fraction.
Flood of blue MAGA boiling literally any criticism of their candidate “Russian Trump support” incoming.
I guarantee it.
Criticize all you want it’s the same as you all were with Biden- say whatever you want to, but if you’re not voting and here to urge others not to, yeah- if you’re not “Russian Trump support” you may as well be.
The positive take would be to start with the “Trump is too old for 4 more years as a President” memes.
Instead we have these “those who don’t instantly bend the knee are against us” memes that, frankly, have quite the wiff of the typical Far-Right/Foreign Propaganda Op purposefully sowing division on the Left.
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🤖 posting the “Anti-Harris Memes are an Op by the Far Right” 🤝 🤖 posting “Anyone complaining about Anti-Harris memes is an Op by the Far Right”
Good point: good old Stupidity is also a valid explanation for having a knee-jerk reaction of starting fights with those whose help you need.
Don’t ask us to vote for her and I promise not to complain :)
