As if those so-called “foot-washing Christians” had anything better to do. 😒
What, that’s not common knowledge?
Btw, christmas was stolen from Yule. And some stories in the old testament are from Gilgamesh and Atrahasis Epos, like Mose’ abandonement in a reed basket as an example.
Literally all beings and concepts in christianity have a pagan origin. Even ancient YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Tetragrammaton (God) goes probably back to El.
But i guess that’s natural, concepts like an underworld are in above epics too, those sorts of stories developed over civilizations.
For sure, the ancient Israelites had a pantheon of gods, just like the Greeks. I mean, their monotheism developed out their own version paganism, of which Yahweh was but one of their gods. Specifically, the god of the storms that occurred in southern palestinian. He had a wife, multiple kids and a giant oversized novelty penis. Along with his god sized cock, he would often be represented as a bull, as a man with horns or a golden calf.
Why yes, theexact kind of golden calf the Israelites started to worship when moses when up mount sinai to get the 10 commandments. Its specifically the exact reason they did it and not that they just decided to worship some random cow, despite having seen a bag full of miracles and monstrous amounts of child murder from their actual god first hand.
Yup, the calf was most likely a regular part of the northern Israel’s worship, but not of the southern Judah’s. Since most of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is written from a Judean perspective (which makes sense; it survived longer), it treats it as blasphemous, when in reality, to them, it wasn’t.
You would think it was common knowledge, especially given the fact that Hades is in the Bible but it’s not. They want to believe that they are the one true religion and do all sorts of mental gymnastics to keep their religion pure.
These are the same people that get mad when they uear Beethoven’s Ode to Joy because he doesn’t use the lyrics from the Christian hymn that stole his melody.
What, that’s not common knowledge?
To the American Christians throwing a fit about this? No, they have no idea.
Btw, i googled ancient epics because i thought there was one more with similiar name to Atrahasis’ but my god, i know most of the names from Anime.
Like 4/5 of the Bible isn’t common knowledge to most Christians. To say nothing of the actual history of Christianity.
It’s really too bad Paul went in for Apolline Douchiness rather than Dionysian partying.
FYI, for all of those shitting on Christians for “not being educated” and upvoting this, the last supper was painted in 1498, the feast of the gods was painted in 1635. Lol
The last supper has been painted many times. At least 1000 years before Leonardo’s version.
The festival of Dionysus occurred 500 years before Jesus with depictions much older than the last supper.
edit: ppl gettin’ mad over their sky wizard…
Maybe that’s the case, you don’t really back it up. But I’m just going off the paintings called out by Christians and the people claiming what it was actually inspired by.
But even if you’re right, it doesn’t change the fact that the OP and creator of this meme, and everyone thinking it makes a good point, are all guilty of the same ignorance they are laughing at someone else for having.
“…you don’t really back it up.”
Fuggin hilarious.
Wait you think they backed it up? Oh, well, none of what they said happened. So I guess I just backed up the counter position.
I’m not surprised you find reading this hard…
You need a citation proving that the Greeks had festivals in honor of one of their gods many years before Jesus was born? Um…here you go:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysia
The meme is stupid and inaccurate because the skit wasn’t representing any specific work of art but was meant to be representative of a Dionysia, aka a Feast of Dionysus. If we’re going to make fun of the people outraged about this, the stolen imagery angle just doesn’t make sense. Instead, maybe focus on their need to feel victimized or the amount of hubris required to assume that the opening ceremonies of an event rooted in Ancient Greek traditions was all about them.
But i digress. You, OP, and many other people seem confused because there is a long history of “Feast of the Gods” artwork. When you try to search for Feast of Dionysus, recommended searches suggest including the word “painting” which leads people to said artwork. That ends up leading you further away from Dionysia and onto tangentially related things like the painting you are referring to, “Le Festin des Dieux,” which was indeed painted from 1635-1640. However, there are many paintings with this theme that bear stylistic similarities to The Last Supper. One of the oldest examples was completed by Bartolomeo de Giovanni in 1490, 5 years before Leonardo began his Last Supper.
Examples here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Gods_(art)
So anyway, maybe now you can all move on with your lives now.
Well stated. The thing bothers me is someone had a vision, they had an idea and a chance to present their work on a world stage. That is such a huge honor and a few people thought it was about them and shit all over the moment.
yeah huh, the bible says it is true. So it is true.
Maybe they mean that they didn’t back up that there were contemporary depictions which used imagery similar to Leonardo’s last supper. The contemporary imagery shows people having much more fun than just sitting around a table https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57125c2c2b8dde54a34b537f/1619344351570-Q7SEO0H68PVKSK2MHIQW/painter-munich-black-cult-dionysus-figure-amphora-e1613417711405.jpg
My comment is pointing out the hilarity that top-level commenter is crying for “back up” after being called out for a comment that is:
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Not at all backed up
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Wrong
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An example of top-level commenter doing exactly what they accuse others of doing
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okay. I’ve only seen stills of blue guy on a plate. How does this have any resemblance to the last supper? Is it just that there’s people at a long table? The more images I find the more concerned I am that christians have not seen a picture of the last supper.
Without the blue guy it did look a lot more like The Last Supper, though I didn’t really notice it when watching
I was hoping to find a video of the performance, since maybe it gave off more Last Supper vibes than a still photo. But I’ll be damned, there’s not a video of it anywhere. Just lots of videos of people complaining about it.
Thanks, that was the context I needed. Also at 1:53:30 in that same video.
Seems to me that there’s a good reason none of the news articles are linking to the video of the performance. When viewed outside of a couple screenshots, it’s clear this ain’t shit.
Heavy copyright also. But this ain’t shit indeed.
Have a look at this post: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279
Screenshots with timing to show the 2 moments people are confusing
It’s a well established historical fact that the last supper is the only time in history that people gathered around a table !
gathered around a table
Or at least gathered on one side of a table.
Actually, the one time in history where this many people decidedly failed to gather around a table.
In Canada we call that a Degrassi.
I always have to go to these stupid work lunches where someone hands their phone to the waiter and everyone has to lean in, like two dozen people at a long ass table so some idiot can email spam it the next day, like we all really wanted to be there.
For accuracy sake, yes the depiction in the Olympics was meant to be Feast of the Gods, but that painting came after The Last Supper and is thought to be directly inspired by da Vinci. Last Supper - 1495 Feast of the Gods - 1635-1640
Linking Wikipedia. The primaries appear to be in French 😅 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Festin_des_Dieux
Don’t forget the people that are mad at this also get mad then they hear Beethoven’s Ode to Joy performed or translated because the lyrics aren’t the same as the Christian hymn that plagiarized his melody. They also get mad when they hear Greensleeves performed because those lyrics don’t line up with the Christian hymn that uses the same melody either.
People are talking about two different moments, 40 minutes from each other: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279
Sorry for the French, but the screens and minutes are there.
This makes much more sene than Last Supper. Got a source on it actually suppised to be reannacment of this painting?
Not doubting you because I have eyes but some people migh be blinded by their christian goggles.
Got a source on it actually suppised to be reannacment of this painting?
The DJ in the center posted about it: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279
Also the post has screenshots about the two different moments, 40 minutes from each other.
Ok, I don’t speak French, but tried to translate using the new translator beta in Firefox. From what I understoon from the OP, they say it was in fact Last Supper and is making comparisons to it. This is somehow confirmed by DJ from all people?
In the comments of the linked post, there is a link to an article where the artistic director directly reacts and says it is not. That it was supposed to be an image of a pagan festival. He doesn’t cite inspirations, but it being the Feast of the Gods mentioned in the comment here is not too far fetched.
From the article, as translated by Firefox:
Was it the Last Supper? It was “not my inspiration,” replied Thomas Jolly. “I think it was quite clear, there’s Dionysus coming to this table. He’s here why? Because he is god of the feast…, of wine, and father of Sequana, goddess connected to the river.” “The idea was rather to make a great pagan festival connected to the gods of Olympus… Olympus… Olympism,” he continued.
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I think there are a large number of valid reasons to be confused by this image that do not have to do with Christianity.
Like, how do I get a job like that?
You start by making a number one hit song that is absolutely funny. You continue by making performance art. Then you combine both !
Papa Smurfs birthday.
Yes clearly. And I can clearly see his balls too. So colorful!
I mean, they were almost essentially monochrome blue…considering what he’s the god of, he clearly needs to clean out the pipes…
It was all based on divine shapes and tapestries etched by early mathematicians to represent what they thought were powerful concepts, especially “moral” ones, that they thought could shape people’s behaviour.
People like Pythagoras could go insane worshipping these shapes, even though they had useful mathematical properties that could predict things about what the real world was like. They weren’t totally stupid, and maths without technology wasn’t extra hard.
Scholars like Jesus would go around spreading ideas about how perfect the triangle was. It contained three simple connected points that were very similar. Specifically, it had a C3 rotation in mathematical group theory. If you spin it by 120 degrees, it’s the same afterwards. It contained three equally important geometric points that could never be transformed or “manipulated” so you could easily tell them apart. This was His Trinity.
Shapes like this are actually very important and have special properties in quantum dynamics nowadays, so their beliefs still hold a lot of power in many very logical people and how they think the world works based on science.
There were also more complicated systems popular in the past, too, that built up other forms of mathematics. Astrology was a good example too. They actually had very complicated systems for predicting lots of things based on measurements of time. If the data you had generally fit what usually happened (at least most of the time), you could be quite confident in those beliefs without being totally moronic.
I actually think some of these more mathematical beliefs may see a resurgence in the near future as proper quantum technologies are developed. People could fear them as they disrupt beliefs about technology, even those that only know a limited subset of modern physical laws (like Newton’s laws, which are very accurate, but not universally “true” by modern scientific standards).
Most people don’t realise how much technology is about to change. It’s already happening and it’s scary.
TIL Terrence Howard is on the fediverse
I have the weirdest urge to start a fight with the blue dude and I dont know why.
Don’t fuck with Supply Side Papa Smurf.
Dionysus — the god of partying. What’s your issue with partying man?
I dont know! I just want to fight him, maybe that’s how we party together?!
Mm, well he is also the god of insanity
See its his fault!
I don’t know if the French guy is up for it, but I bet you could find some crazy libertarian who takes way too much colloidal silver if you want…
For those who are unfamiliar, that’s not makeup or Photoshop. That’s what happens when you rely on alternative “medicine.”
Papa smurf. He’s just missing the red hat.
He blue himself.
Trevor forget o7
it is funny how christians by and large do not follow the biblical holiday but totally do the cool pagan ones.
They only care about it when they can be angry and righteous about it. Don’t give them oxygen !
Especially Halloween. Where the fuck do they get off stealing the best and most very different from their own shit?
then they tack on all saints and all souls but nobody acknowledges them.
I can tell by how I don’t even know what you’re talking about. 🤪
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Holy shit, do they ever acknowledge those holidays, but I think it’s because they already had a “day of the dead,” before they were forcibly converted to the teachings of Cathol.
yeah its more day of the dead and less all saints/souls. I think its just another good example on going with the cool pagan and not so much boring christian. let me see we can party and dress up or dress up and go to church. decisions, decisions.
Which one is the biblical holiday?
both. there are like half a dozen mentioned in the bible as special sabbaths and the sabbath is technically a weekly holiday
The ones In. The Bible
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I don’t think it counts as stealing- syncretism is present in virtually every faith that has contact with another faith, modern and ancient.
the abandoment is sorta wierd though. so xmass and easter but no celebration of the feast of booths or passover
Not religious any more, but got to do Passover dinner (Seder?) once in a messianic Jewish church as a kid. It was neat. Learned I like lamb and the bitter herbs were actually kind of good.
I’m Jewish. It’s a cool holiday in terms of ceremony, but you have to remember that it celebrates death. A lot of death. Especially child death. You even pour 10 drops of wine from the cup do represent the blood of the 10 plagues.
I’m proud of my heritage, but the religion is all manner of fucked up.
Angel of death and the firstborn unless you put blood over your door. It’s twisted stuff.
I’m proud of my heritage as well, but there’s some bad religion in there.
I have very little actual experience with Jewish things and culture. Y’all seem to be nice people, mostly. I’ve never understood the hate.
I think the hate is mostly an “other” thing. Same with any other minority really.
Eating babies is disgusting. There are Christian cults that practice baby eating rituals??
Yup. Sure are. I’m an atheist meat eater. Grew up in extreme evangelical Christianity in Alabama. I still hunt and fish. Go with love. Sorry you’re angry.
the what now
Lambs are baby sheep.
Oh. Then it’s one delicious ritual if you ask me. Lamb is tasty as hell.
Christianity stole eating from the pagans.
Really wish they’d stop for 90-120 days
But I do not like this scene either.
The ceremony was disgusting. Disgusting as a Seine river full of shit.
