After nearly a decade of being forced to take Trump seriously, Democrats increasingly call BS on the whole charade

Sure, Donald Trump is a threat to democracy — a would-be dictator on day one who has called for terminating the U.S. Constitution so he can hold onto power even after losing a free and fair election. But while draped in the rhetoric of populism, Trump and his MAGA movement are not actually popular; the man himself has never won more votes than the person he ran against, a majority of Americans twice rejecting him and his off-putting cult of personality. That he was ever president is more or less because a few thousand swing voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania thought it would be fun.

President Joe Biden won in 2020 largely by promising to a return to normalcy and baseline competency. In 2024, Democrats are making a similar argument but more forcibly: They’re pointing, laughing and dismissing Trump and his circus as a total freak show to which we can’t return.

  • @[email protected]
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    If you say so. Weird Al Yankovic is a fan favorite of many old people. I can perfectly see people wearing “Old and weird” purposely. There’s no shortage of old people wearing edgy T-shirts, specially in the Trump crowd.

    I’m no psychologist, but the irony of praising being called “brat” while touting calling the opposition “weird” makes me feel like I’m back in preschool. These lowered bars, man … definitely on our way to surpassing Idiocracy.

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    Republicans are so old… and just soo weird.

    And trump doesn’t laugh or have a dog?

    There’s a lot of other very bad things going on, but they are also just… They’re just so fucking weird?

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    This is also the tactic employed in major hiphop feud Kdot v. Drake

    • @[email protected]
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      How’d it work out for the weird guy with rumors of pedophilia who is hated by the majority of people who worked with him?

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    should be worth noting that the only people who said “weird” was a pejorative were republicans, though.

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      Yeah, that’s why “no you” doesn’t work here. I know I’m a weirdo. I like being a weirdo and hanging out with other weirdos. You call me a weirdo and I’m like, “Yeah, cool.”

      But group identity is everything to a conservative. Conservatism, as it has been said, depends on an in-group and an out-group. “Weird” could only ever be a pejorative to the conservative who really needs to conform and not be weird. A person who accepts the diversity of humanity doesn’t need everyone to be the same, so weirdness isn’t really all that weird. When the in-group is weird, it’s not an insult.

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    still don’t understand what’s wrong with being weird. republicans just hate it because their bigoted mind associate it with being different and they hate that.

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        yeah that’s what i meant; they’re the ones turning it into a negative attack. the dems are just planting the seeds.

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      I think there’s different meanings in different contexts. You don’t want to be the “creepy weirdo” kind of weird, but then there are people who are into weird art or have weird kinks and they are great

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    I’m weird as shit. My life is a freak show and a fail whale working together to make a fail-ipolis.

    And I’m fucking goofy.

    Though I’m not trying to lead a nation with it. So I take no offense with this.

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    I don’t know who thinks “weird” is some kind of effective attack. IMO just happens to coincide with the wave of feel-good associated with Biden stepping aside and Harris stepping up. Personally I find it pretty lame. stick with dishing back what the republicans threw at Biden - trump is old, he can’t form coherent sentences, question his health, and show everyone he wants a hereditary dictatorship that subjugates women and fellates the ultra wealthy so the US can be just another shitty kleptocracy.

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    promising to a return to normalcy and baseline competency.

    Here’s the thing. Biden hails from an era of politics where one would absolutely get lit up by the media for breaking decorum.

    It’s been a slow decline for some time, but the Republicans along with their propaganda outlet Fox News have slowly changed the country’s thermostat on this over the last few decades. Much like wearing a winter parka in the summer heat, maintaining complete and total political decorum in this climate is no longer a boon, it’s a handicap. We all saw Biden take one heck of a beating while taking the high road and never really taking the (rage) bait to hit back in quite the same way. But while that approach is performing on virtue, the optics are one of a punching bag in the eyes of many crucial voters.

    So tactics have been changed, and boy have they ever.

    What I appreciate about this approach is that it’s actually very light-handed, considering all that could be done. It also looks downright polite compared to how much right-wing media has run with hyperbole and even outright fabrication. Yet running on the rather casual sounding observation of “old and weird” is generating actual results. It’s also refreshing to loudly point out what we were all baffled about from the get-go: “Don’t they know? I mean, they’re seeing the same stuff we are, right?”

    I welcome this new shift to “bless your heart” politics.

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      I welcome this new shift to “bless your heart” politics.

      This is the equivalent of pointing out grammatical errors in an otherwise logically sound argument. This is not a positive development, it is a sign that things are continuing to get worse.

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        logically sound argument

        Not even a little. Trump is wrong about what the problems are, and proposes “solutions” to the non-problems that we know will make them worse.

        Plus, he’s old and weird, and he running mate might be young-ish, but double-weird instead.

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          Let me rephrase this.

          This is like pointing out grammatical errors in both a logical/illogical argument.

          You are either the person going ‘neener neener you misspelled a word’ to a person with a sound argument, or you’re stooping to the level of an idiot to defeat an idiot.

          If you cannot recognize why both are bad, I am not going to explain it to you.

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              No, I’m not, you’re reading into what I’ve said and think you’ve got me because you don’t understand what I’m (and by association, you’re) talking about.

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                I’m sorry if you cant recognize the ridiculous strawman argument you put up, I’m not going to explain it to you.

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                  Not a strawman lil guy, you just can’t read. Actually, the only strawman placed is the one you propped up.

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            Fascists don’t get civil debate. They get mocked, beaten, and ignored. If you don’t understand why I call people that are involved with Project 2025 “weird”, I’m not going to explain it to you, again.

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              The death of civil discourse, ladies and gentleman. Propagated by people who think they’re doing the right thing. The same people who are responsible for the complete lack of civil discourse online, who would have thought?

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    At this point can we consider that MAGA is the “new” and Americanized version of the Nazi party, and that Trump is trying to become a somehow worse version of Hitler?

    Sure, there’s no rhetoric about the Arian race in the public literature, but the ideals and concepts are pretty similar. Instead of considering anyone who is non-white, non-blonde, non-blue eyed, to be less than, it’s instead about “God loving Christians” and basically the concept of, if you’re not with us then you are not an American.

    Transpose some conceptual groups for fairly equal in size/scope groups, and it’s essentially the same playbook.

    Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. C’mon America… You were a big factor in defeating the Nazis… DON’T BECOME THEM

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      The argument I have heard from the Republican voters is some derivative of “we need to bring this country together and be united!” After a few questions is always under their ideology.

      They want everyone to change to worship their fascist, racist, and regressive ideology rather than pull their heads out of the sand and realize everything they stand for is absolute trash.

      Most of them don’t understand why we don’t worship Trump like they do. It’s so confusing to them that we don’t worship Biden or Harris like they worship Trump. To be a Republican is to lack all empathy.

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        “we need to bring this country together and be united!”

        EIN VOLK, EIN REICH, EIN FÜHRER!

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      I think he tries to be Americanized version of Putin. And Putin tries to be Russian version of Hitler

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      I think he tries to be Americanized version of Putin. And Putin tries to be Russian version of Hitler

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        Putin is just the Putin version of Putin. He is nothing like Hitler and not trying to be either.

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          At least in propoganda he tries to. In reality obviously authoritarism is different from totalitarism.

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      Sure, there’s no rhetoric about the Arian race in the public literature

      Maybe not overtly, but there are TONS of *wink wink, nudge nudge* rhetoric about the Aryan race, they just couch it in dog whistles and have for decades. Here’s the famous Atwater quote from 84 where he admits it:

      You start out in 1954 by saying, “N****, N****, N****.” By 1968 you can’t say “N****”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N****, N****.”

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        I would agree that it’s a lot of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, underlying white supremacist ideology.

        I don’t even think it’s a secret. They just refuse to say it overtly because of the social impact of it. A portion of people who voted, and will vote for Trump, might have a problem with them being very obviously racist/Nazis.

        I don’t think that’s a majority, but those that now or less stay out of politics, and are just habitual Republican voters (maybe they’re subscribed to the party or something? A “card carrying Republican” type thing), would see the overt racist/Nazi themes and reconsider their position instead of blindly doing what they’ve always done.

        Instead it’s about making things “great”, an overly broad and obtuse term to use as a focus of your political goals. With vague and ultimately meaningless talk about what that means, without any actual hard statements.

        They’re avoiding any commitments to do a specific thing or achieve a specific goal, and it’s all a smokescreen. Anyone paying attention knows that you can’t have your cake and eat it too, which is essentially what they’ve promised at every turn. The horrible fuckery of the medicare system comes to mind. They were going to make it “great” and affordable… How? Nobody knows. They didn’t even know. What did they deliver? Not that. It’s not great. Affordable? That is debatable. It’s not just Medicare. It’s everything.

        They only other time I’ve seen this phenomenon is at work. Sales people will sometimes promise clients that a product will do everything for them. Well beyond the abilities of that product. I’m not in sales. I’m a technical support/implementation person. I have to give the end user/client the bucket of cold water to say, no, it doesn’t do that, and it’s not able to do that. When I approach management about it, the response is inevitably “make it work”, aka, find a solution, and don’t bother me about it. I tend to quit jobs that put me in that kind of a position, so it’s rare that I end up in it.

        What Trump, and a lot of what I’ve heard from his party lately, does is entirely the same. He’s acting like a shady sales person, telling you everything that he thinks that you want to hear, then foisting the task of actually accomplishing any of his wild statements onto implementation people who basically tell him that his promises and statements about what we can do, or will do, cannot be achieved. They’re told to “make it work” and they do their best, but it ends up making things fucking suck. I don’t blame anyone except the sales person telling me that they can do something that I later find out, cannot be done.

        My main problem is that, this isn’t just his own business that’s going to suffer and fail as a result of his insane ramblings. We’re talking about the country of the United States of America which will suffer immense damage if he is allowed to continue this circus.

        I don’t believe anything he says.

        I generally don’t believe politicians. I also don’t believe most sales people. As for a politician with the approximate credibility (or lack thereof), of a sales person? You do the math.

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      I tested it on the chuds in my fantasy football chat, and they lost their minds. It works.

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          Because fundamentally right wingers a build their identity around the idea that they are normal.

          Progressives? We’re generally pretty OK with being weird. Being different. Being unusual. But right wingers are pathologically obsessed with the idea of being normal. The idea of being weird scares then more than anything else.

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      They absolutely baller move right now would be to STOP saying it.

      Let it sit there and don’t say it again. Move on to something else for a bit.

      Let them get all frothed about it but never refer to it again.

      Otherwise they’re going to regroup and have a response… stopping now means they waste their energy

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      For sure, and it is absolutely true.

      I just like “weird” because it only works one way. For people who value individuality and diversity, it doesn’t necessarily have a negative connotation. For people who value conformity, it’s a devastating insult. Apparently Ben Shapiro went on Megyn Kelly’s show to cry about it, which is great.

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      This makes a lot more sense than weird. Old and weird is something one could put on a T-shirt or on a lemmy nbio and enjoy displaying it. It’s basically a Weird Al Yankovic T-shirt.

      And the meaning of brat really hasn’t changed except in some limited social circles, just like the close association between coconuts, monkeys, and primitive tribal connotations. It’s as if someone was leading the Democratic marketing campaign by selling it within the bubble but in such a way that it is ultimately ineffective and easily twisted, and it’s giving me serious 2016 vibes. I really hope I’m wrong and just out of touch.

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    Yep. Watching the Republican cult of personality be exposed this way has given me genuine hope for the future.

    It’s been ten years since that freak started remaking the Republican party in his own image. Ten years since his face and voice started dominating the news cycle for no good reason (and lots of bad ones). Ten years of his clown show.

    But now, at long last, I have hope that it will finally end. That the name “Donald Trump” will fade from our political vocabulary, and be spoken in shame and disgust when spoken at all.

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      That the name “Donald Trump” will fade from our political vocabulary, and be spoken in shame and disgust when spoken at all.

      Don’t forget the part where all the Republicans pretend they never really supported him in the first place.

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        Yep. Gonna be big “I was part of the civilian resistance” post-WW2 vibes in the aftermath of all this.

        I’m prepared to remind every smug boomer I know until the day they die, and I relish in the opportunity.

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        Yep. I look forward to that day, but we need to remind them of the truth when they try to pull that.

        Just like the origins of the “tea party”, just like how they called themselves “teabaggers” (no matter how much they insist now that it never happened), just like they swooned over both W and Romney, but pretended they “didn’t know her” when W’s war on Iraq was obvious to even the lowest of low-info that it was a clusterfuck, and when Romney lost to the Blah guy.

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        This.

        Never let anyone who identifies as or admits to voting republican get away with this. Always remind them they had a convicted criminal rapist pussy grabber who stole from from a kids cancer charity running the show. Not just a candidate, he ran the whole clown show.

        Doesn’t matter if it’s an uncle, dad, mom, grandpa or grandma; always be relentless with this message and have no room for sympathy or forgiveness. Be the bigger person? Time to ‘heal’? No, no, no. These people wanted to destroy America and you have to throw that into their face relentlessly.

        Sure, have a family dinner or some party with family and friends but the moment politics comes up, you hammer this message home and tell them the discussion on politics is over because they have been proven not to be trusted at all when politics is involved. Uncle Bob want to talk fishing lures? Sure, no problem. Uncle Bob wants to talk politics in any way, shape or form? Be very, very fucking brutal in cutting the traitors of and shut them down. They have lost any and all admission to discuss (or, in my opinion, be part of) politics.

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          Doesn’t matter if it’s an uncle, dad, mom, grandpa or grandma; always be relentless with this message and have no room for sympathy or forgiveness.

          Uh, no. It’s not popular to admit this, but being nice is much more persuasive with people who already like you. If you go nuts on them, they will just think you are crazy.

          If you say “I think trump is too old and crazy / weird” they will listen. If they ask “Do you like trump?” just say “no” and laugh at the very idea of voting for him. That’s why “He’s weird” is working.

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      The Republican Party eagerly embraced him. They wanted this.

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        This needs to be repeated over and over. Remind everyone when Trump is gone. He isn’t the threat people, he is a threat.

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      The seeds of his “movement” were planted by 4chan and other terminally online far right trolls long before he ever took the reins. It’s been brewing since the mid-to-late-2000s but was mostly contained to their own corners of the net. Until one day it wasn’t. Some people recognized it as just controversial bigoted/racist humor (such as the “Hitler did nothing wrong”-flavored Mountain Dew), others took it seriously and turned it into a lifestyle, and gave birth to the alt right.

      It’s the political manifestation of every troll board you’ve ever heard of, 4chan, 8chan, somethingawful, etc. I’m a 'chan veteran myself, I saw it all start.

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        My impression is that Something Awful was largely filled by people who saw the problems with 4chan “humor” and wanted nothing to do with it. But I could be misremembering.

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    This just comes off as circle jerking. I doubt any Republicans really care what Trump is called.

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      It’s not just what he is called, it’s what their beliefs are called. And their beliefs are fucking weird.

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      But they do care what they are called. And when you support a weird, corrupt, philandering pedophile, people will rightfully point it out.

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        After eight to ten years it’s calling him weird that gets under their skin? Lol, I love your optimism.