I like the balance of EmulationStation + Pi. And original hardware controllers modded to work via USB.
Best of both worlds
It’s usually the reverse in my experience. I love playing on original hardware when I have access, but some people get really anal when you emulate.
Agree. There’s just something special about doing it the original way. Booting up that old console just like in the past, no matter if I had it back then or not.
That being said, I don’t get the hate on emulation either. To each their own.
My only real problem with emulation is that I haven’t found a good way to connect my pc to a crt. I’ve been wanting to play oot randomizers on a proper display but I’m not willing to buy an everdrive at the moment.
I know this is the exact opposite of what you want in a sense, but with a little fiddling you can make the highest definitions of TVs look pretty crappy and old with fancy emulator settings. I had a friend with so many scan line and fuzzy plugins and crt color abberation and flicker fakers installed, i swear it was basically the same thing visually
It’s not just “worse” graphics. CRTs have little/no input lag, which is crucial for some older games like Punch-Out!.
It is not, nor can it
I can’t tell if your comment is dramatically flawed or logically
A raspberry pi is neither 30$ A raspberry pi cannot emulate every game ever
Also, remember just because you can be an asshole, doesnt mean you have to be.Do you have a mirror? Try looking into the next time you feel like being a toxic member of a community, say the things to yourself and then ask yourself, did i just come across as a toxic asshole?qIf yes dont continueSorry it came across like that wasn’t my intention, I may have been intoxicated. I meant to say grammatically, but don’t even understand what my comment means anymore. Thanks for explaining anyway
Appreciate the honesty
Get a mister.
It IS the original hardware; its an FPGA
Now this is the real solid advice
I barely touch my original hardware at all since I have my MiSTer it is just so good.
It’s also about as cheap to just buy the original consoles than a kitted out mister.
Although if you figure in AV switches, upscalers and everdrive carts, the price for convenience does swing back into the misters favor
The Neo-Geo would like a word
Not always, the mister would need more elements to do an actual 1:1 for many newer consoles and the cores are often reverse engineered best guesses and not replicating the original asic design.
On the other hand, original hardware goes through revisions and the silicon can change (snes 1chip vs 2chip for example) while still be perfectly compatible so it really depends ho much of a stickler you are.
It perfectly emulates the CPU, but it’s not the same as touching the actual hardware. For better or worse.
We can’t even say it perfectly emulates the CPU. It may pass all tests we know about, but even 1980s CPUs were complicated enough to have odd niche behavior.
It’s some great hardware, but I think a lot of people have been hoodwinked into thinking FPGA = perfect. Often some of the same people who turn their nose up at software emulation for equally bad reasons.
What’s the benefit of it versus emulation?
It is FPGA based, due to this it can be configured on hardware level to exactly replicate the original hardware of the retro system. This and that it runs directly and not through some emulation layer and modern OS and stuff means that it gets as close as original as it can be, with zero lag and delay.
Do you perceive noticable lag when emulating on a modern PC?
Not only perceive, it is often multiple frames from multiple lag sources (input lag of the USB controller or even worse Bluetooth, display lag from the monitor, rendering lag from the emulator, framebuffer lag). Playing fast paced games with frame perfect movement (Megaman on the NES for example) is so much harder on a emulator with all the lag, even on very recent hardware.
By its very nature, an FPGA is not original hardware.
An FPGA is hardware that is designed to be very similar to original hardware, but it does not actually use original hardware components, and because of this it can actually have bugs or inaccuracies that were never present in original hardware.
An FPGA is hardware that is designed to be very similar to original hardware,
Well to be even more precise, its designed to be able to replicate most hardware of anything. Not designed for a specific device
It’s still emulation. Yes, it’s emulating hardware, as close as possible and often indistinguishably close, but it’s still emulation.
For example, my EDGB X7 runs fine on any real Game Boy I have, but can’t switch games on an Analogue Pocket.
Another weird issue that I had was that if I launched my Pokemon Crystal save on Pocket it would, for some reason, permanently change my character from a boy into a girl (without saving the game!). This wasn’t happening on my Game Boys (I restored the save a couple of times to test it).It is not emulation, it is hardware replication. And yes it is not always perfect. As with any replicated or cloned hardware it is just as good as the available information and the skill of the manufacturer.
Sure, however you choose to call it, it’s not “original hardware”.
True and I would never call it original hardware. But it is so much closer to original hardware then emulation ever could be.
Fariiiid doesn’t know shiiiiit.
I mean, you are buying analogue products, so what do you know anyway.
You’re clearly just trying to pick a fight, but care to point out what I said wrong?
Mister people are equally obnoxious about this
I’d understand if it was about the controllers since the games were made to work specifically with them, but choosing to pay several hundred dollars instead of juste using something that cost less than a 100 and got far better UI and features is something i’ll Never understand. Tho, It would make sense if you had that console as a child and getting the real one make you feel nostalgic.
FPGA master race!
It’s why I’ve used a GameCube controller on the Wii, WiiU, and Switch—coincidentally I adore the Switch Pro controller on PC. And yet, a friend of mine thinks I’m crazy and still rocks the N64 controller.
Some things just fuse into you and you get more dopamine from the “thing” than the thing playing on it.
I have a nice collection of old games but I also have a nice collection of emulators and devices to run them on lol
Aren’t they kinda of hard to get a hold of still? During the pandemic they were going for 100$ and up
you can at least get them directly instead of paying scalpers now, but yeah it’s still $80 for an 8GB board.
Honestly, I will emulate almost all consoles EXCEPT N64…. This little weird Frankenstein console barely holds by a thread so most emulators can’t recreate its flaws and quirks correctly (which, funnily enough, are needed to run games smoothly)
PS2 emulators on the other hand, are FREAKING awesome!!! :D Live upscaled Battlefront 2 is GREAT!!
Still waiting for an N64 emulator that renders Bomberman 64 menu properly
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This one was me removing it because I posted something about modern games not working on emulators but it is in the retro games thread so I realized it was kind of a foolish place to state that “all” games don’t include most of the games people play these days.
Edit: was something like "The wording always annoys me because emulating any game from consoles excludes the PS5, Xbox X, and most AAA games created in the last 15 years unless you pay more than $30 to figure out a graphics card etc etc etc. {dumb thing to say in retro games
Fair enough, thanks for chiming in and correcting me! I’ll remove mine too, so it’s not overly antagonistic in an inappropriate place (though I do think what I said was accurate, just not the place to discuss it, haha)
I understand, there is a lot of animosity on Lemmy (not trying to compare to other platforms just recognizing it exists.). I think .world will keep getting hate but it likely will also keep growing due to other places having strong opinions that do not align with .worlds view. Doesn’t make them right or wrong, just that opinions are segregating themselves to find hives of echos. Shit, now I’m discussing what you said was not the place to discuss. Haha. Hope you have a great day.
What about an FPGA for running the original game cartridges? Such as the Analogue 3D when that eventually releases. Quirks and all included as it becomes the N64. It even supports Bluetooth controllers too and 4k or CRTs.
If it works well, I’m all for it! 😁
(In the past years I’ve seen too many hyped projects just crash on release, so I’ll be observing the progress but I won’t be praising something that’s not even out yet)
This is true, but Analogue has a great reputation already in this space from their other products so I am hopeful.
A dream project for me, when I have the space for it, is to have a set of Ikea kallax shelves with a cubby for each retro console with some LEDs inside hooked up to a retropie emulating those consoles so those cubbies light up when that console is being emulated.
I have a lot of the actual consoles and they’re in working order, but it’s a bit of a pain in the ass to get them hooked up, swap cartridges, etc. sometimes. And I have just enough programming and electronics background that I feel up to the task of trying to make it work, just don’t have the space for a big display shelf at the moment.
I can appreciate the experience of playing on the actual hardware and the cases where it’s superior, but for me the experience emulating them is 99% as good with significantly less effort. Totally cool if others prioritize things differently though.
That’s an amazing idea…
Yeah, I like to bring it up and put the idea out into the world whenever I get an opportunity because part of me is kind of hoping that maybe someone out there will do the hard work and write the code and share it online so someday when I have the space for it all I have to do is wire up the lights
Also when it comes time to fill in the gaps in my collection, I can save some money and still get the same effect because the console doesn’t even have to be in working order, it just has to not be too beat-up looking. I could probably even 3d print some dummy consoles to hold me over (though of course I’d prefer to have actual working consoles if possible)
I’m not super techy, but I have an idle raspberry pi and tons of retro consoles… The idea is now in my head.
If you take up the project and decide to make my dream your reality, all I ask is that you share the code
I haven’t done a deep dive into how I’m going to make it happen, my programming is rusty as all hell, and I’ve never tinkered too much with a pie or this kind of project
But on its surface it seems like an easy enough problem, just need to turn on the appropriate lights when an emulator starts.
Easier said than done I’m sure, I also suspect you’d probably need some kind of led controller or maybe an Arduino or something between the pie and the lights, I don’t think the 3.3v it puts out from its GPIO pins would be enough for some light strips.
If someone had a lot of money to throw at the project, I imagine you could also do a pretty cool setup with smart lights like Philips Hue that would be pretty clean and require minimal tinkering with the physical electronics side of things, but you’d probably be throwing as much or more at it in bulbs as the rest of the project put together.
The best of both worlds, I’ve got Flash Carts for all my retro consoles and I’m (slowly) working on ODEs for the others! In the cases where an ODE removes the disc drive, I have secondary consoles! My partner hates that the entertainment stand is covered in video games but loves that most of the boxed games are in storage!
I never liked ROMs on my computer, but I have a modded SNES Mini that feels legit enough for me.
Steam Deck is the best emulation machine out there right now for me.
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What’s your favorite emulated game on Steam Deck?
I’ve found myself playing a fair bit of my 3DS, Wii, and WiiU libraries, and revisiting some PS2 games. I also have been using it to play my PS5 in bed via remote play!
Too clunky. Modded Nintendo Switch is more portable and has better battery life
Will respectfully disagree. My steam deck can do way more than a Switch!
I’ve been thinking about getting the new pixel fold or the Samsung z
flipfold. When you open them to tablet mode they’re a big square screen. When you clip on a controller it looks like a sick retro gaming handheld because of the screen ratio.I worked for a phone manufacturer that makes foldable for a while. I really got the strong feeling that those foldable displays make them extremely sensitive to any drops or abuse that a traditional chocolate bar would easily survive. And I’ve heard similar feedback from early adopters as well
This is similar to what I do. I have an old pixel 3xl and a Sunshine server running on my gaming PC. Moonlight is installed on the Pixel and I stream my games to it from the PC. I have a WireGuard VPN setup for when I am outside the house. It works very well!
Edit: Inside the house, I have a Rasbery Pi 5 with Libreelec installed which has a Moonlight addon as well for when I want to play on my big screen TV.
That’s a $2000 gaming setup! ($1900 for z fold, $100 for gamesir controller.)
I think I’ll just get a Powkiddy RGB30 with a square screen for $80.
I mean, it’s a phone + tablet first. The gaming is a nice bonus. Plus you really don’t need the fold 6 when the 5 will do just fine.
Fold 5 is still like $1000 refurbished. Again compared to $80 Powkiddy. Plus a few hours of gaming doesn’t take away from your phone battery life.
Why do you enjoy denigrating people’s choices? You’re not the only one capable of rationality. It might make total sense from their perspective and financial situation.
Suggesting a much cheaper alternative that has some benefits isn’t degrading anyone.
I didn’t say degrading, that wouldn’t even work grammatically. I said denigrating, “to criticise unfairly, disparage”.
Learn something. And stop putting other people’s ideas down.
We’ve literally just recreated the meme here in the comments.
“It’d be pretty cool to have a flip phone to double as a big emulation handhel…”
Tuba on face
“A PEWKITTY IS $80 AND YOU GET TO CARRY MULTIPLE DEVICES AND A MUCH SMALLER SCREEN AND…”
You linked a Fold not a Flip. The difference is nearly $1000.
That said the Fold is a solid choice but if you’re only going to play games, save a couple bucks and don’t get a 6. The improvements have been so incremental you might be able to make due with a 4 or 5.
Do emulators like lemuroid take up the whole screen on the inside of the fold?
I was debating on a tablet or the pixel fold and I saw a video where it showed that the inside screen was basically two screens and man apps just displayed in the middle with black borders on either side.
That’s gonna come down to aspect ratio. The inner screen is 4:3 so it might come down to the game? This Gameboy color game doesn’t fill the screen but this emulator seems to be more for 3ds. I have the Fold4 for perspective.
Thanks so much for the screenshot!
I’m glad clip-on controllers exist now, I remember reading about them when using my Xperia Play a decade ago!
I have a surface duo 2 right now, and had the Motorola razor (rip the iconic chin design they ditched with the new models) before that. Emulating the ds on a flip phone is goated
