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“If you don’t support the rights of these imperialistic fascist regimes to do imperialistic and fascist things then you are an imperialist and a fascist.”
Yeah okay. Sure.
Do they even know what “imperialism” means?
Their definition of imperialism is the USA, and only the USA.
Every lemmy.ml community is the wrong community to join.
Did they provide any justification for the claim? Or is it just the usual “because I said so”?
Economic systems like state capitalism and oil oligarchy couldn’t possibly be doing the wrong thing. Therefore authoritarians doing invasions is good.
It is bait
The US belongs to the UK. But you can keep the Bible belt, we don’t want that bit.
But you can keep the Bible belt
Sorry, Jack. You break it, you own it.
Except the parts that belong to France, Spain, and The Netherlands.
All those countries gave up their claims on the US either because they were paid to do so or because other territories were surrendered to them in exchange.
The Netherlands for example were paid for New York. Which is why there’s no history of conflict between the British empire and the Netherlands.
France was paid fair and square for their portion so that they could continue beating up the rest of Europe.
Oh, and Russia claims Alaska even though they were also paid for it. This has actually been brought up by members of the Duma. America does not have a monopoly on idiots in major legislative bodies.
Does Russia have monopoly in alcoholic former presidents?
I think Teddy drank like two bottles of champagne a day or something.
Well shit that was the one bit we were looking to
pawn offgenerously offer to youWhat, you don’t want your Irish and Scots back?
The empire never had Scotland. Scotland joined independently, Ireland was colonized by the Scottish under orders of the empire.
The only territory currently in the UK that the empire took was Wales.
It was a joke, Professor Pedantic.
My favorite brand of rage is the kind i feel when someone says a bunch of evil things and then follows it with “if you disagree, youre the evil one”
These countries that want to be free and independent should be owned by another country that wants to own them and if you disagree you support imperialism… mind-boggling
yeah its just
like how do you argue against that? where do you even start?
they hide meaning behind big words they dont understand and then invent their own meaning for the word until their argument sounds like word soup to anyone who knows what the words actually mean
“the house is on fire, it should ALWAYS be on fire, and if you disagree then youre a dangerous pyromaniac and a phlebotomist”
My default is something snide like “It’s impressive that you were able to write all that when you clearly don’t know how to read” and then block them. For bonus points, make a post in an unrelated community so people who look at your comment history can boost you.
Start by asking them to define their terms. “Belongs”, “imperialism”, and “fascism” are the ones I’d like to see definitions for. Though I’ve gotta admit that I’m not very clear on “fascism” these days, which seems to be a term with many meanings, depending on who is using it.
If someone’s argument depends on a lack of logic, getting them to elaborate on it can make that obvious.
They’ll probably avoid the question though because they aren’t there in good faith.
Fascism in modern political discourse is whatever the speaker dislikes. Any relationship to fascism is wholely unnecessary. Calling people out on misuse of the term is fascism.
You should watch this video on the subject.
Okay but phlebotomists are actually evil. It’s the nurses that keep them from going too far. This is why I always take a wooden stake to my blood draw appointments.
The true racists where the people that called them racist all the time! /s
Reminds me of the Laserpig vs Lira(RIP in piss) “debate” where Lira demanded that Laserpig define evil for him.
I have no idea who these people are but i love that we have debates and philosophical discussions from people with pseudonyms and stage names
it feels very ancient greek, with titles like Plato or Outis
LazerPig is fucking awesome. He’s a youtuber that covers tanks n shit.
And if ya want planes and ships we have Animarchy, now se just need someone to cover guns in the same way. Maybe Zach Hazard fills the role.
Laserpig is a military history youtuber. He kinda got dragged into doing videos on the Russian invasion of Ukraine and is dealing with tankies/vatniks. His videos are well researched, meme filled and frequently address things he thinks are common misconceptions and why they’re so prevalent.
Lira
iswas a tankie/vatnik who was producing pro-Russian propaganda from within Ukraine. He was deported once for it, snuck back in, and was arrested and died of pneumonia while in a Ukrainian holding cell. In case you might feel sorry for him, he had previously called Laserpig a f@g and Lira’s last words to Pig was wishing him death.I’m not really interested in linking Lira’s content, but here’s Laserpig’s thoughts on the “debate”. You can look up more Lira stuff on your own if you want.
i appreciate the summary but i had to google like half of these words and stumbled into a twitter post where someone was doing the whole “it is with a heavy heart blah blah blah gone before their time!” routine about Lira’s death
and something about the tone of the message felt like when a fascist tries to sound like a real person (i lack the literary chops to explain this, so i hope you understand)
So i looked up that user’s name and it was a far right podcaster
I dont have a conclusion for this little anecdote, its just funny how someone can sound like a bootlicker even when saying non-boot-licky things
They also used this person’s death as a soapbox to preach against the Joe Biden administration, which is a very righty thing to do (because they are incapable of human emotions like empathy)
When it comes to Taiwan, it’s my understanding that the indigenous Taiwanese would like both the mainlanders who established Taiwan and the PRC to fuck off and let them have their island back.
But I do support the Taiwanese government’s annexation of West China. Then they can move the capital to Beijing.
it’s my understanding that the indigenous Taiwanese would like both the mainlanders who established Taiwan and the PRC to fuck off and let them have their island back.
Sure. And Hawaiians want Hawaii back. But I don’t think anyone is holding their breath.
I do support the Taiwanese government’s annexation of West China.
Real “Chiang Kai-shek did nothing wrong!” energy on this post.
Chiang Kai shek died 37 years ago.
classic bait and switch. Love the comment
I see you post a lot, and it’s normally fine, never an apocalyptically bad take like this before. So I hope you’ll take this well.
The “West Taiwan” meme and the oft repeated thing about the constitution of the RoC still claiming the mainland is dumb. It’s only because the CCP threatens immediate war - if Taipei changes their constitution to reflect post-1949 reality, that would be considered “a declaration of independence” and trigger a missile barrage.
Only about 2% of people in Taiwan identify as Chinese, and I can guarantee they’re almost all old as rocks, maybe a lot of them went to school when schooling was still in Japanese. The vast majority of citizens identify as Taiwanese, the country has NO intent to “reconquer the mainland”.
You can actually still find moss-covered old fortifications in the hills above Taipei with slogans like that, but they were built no later than the 50s, in the White Terror era.
Please let this “West Taiwan / Best China” stuff die.
You must be fun at parties.
Terrific fun, yes, thanks.
Parties that don’t have people recycling tired old bOTh SiDeS wANt tO iNvADe talking points.
So, your criticism of lemmy.ml is a two year old post you found on Twitter that has nothing to do with Lemmy.
The real facepalm is the fact that OP thinks Twitter is Lemmy.
It’s not a direct criticism, it’s an inferrential exploration, meaning that there are many communities on lemmy.ml that are filled with similar comments, which it is.
Terrible, shithole instance that needs to be forgotten from the internet.
it’s an inferrential exploration
A what?
there are many communities on lemmy.ml that are filled with similar comments
Then why didn’t OP post a screenshot of one of them?
Why resort to a strawman?
It’s really not that deep.
I was going to post the screenshot anyways. And when I had to think of a title, I thought “huh, I’ve seen similar stuff on .ml, I’ll add that to make the title interesting”
I’ll add that to make the title interesting
If you want to criticize what is said on Lemmy.ml, criticize something that is actually said on Lemmy.ml.
Taking cheap shots at your political opponents (like comparing them to this obvious bait account from the cesspit that is Twitter) just makes your side look bad.
It makes it look like you don’t have any real arguments.
80% of the users I have blocked this month were from lemmy.ml, I think that’s all the proof I need.
LOL.
It’s just a meme dude I don’t think anyone but you cares that much. I’ve clearly struck a nerve though.
It’s just a meme dude
No, it’s political propaganda.
Please touch grass
It’s not propaganda, it doesn’t have an ulterior motive. It is plainly stating lemmy.ml users are a special kind of bad.
That’s like saying all those Stop Smoking campaigns where they show pictures of lung damage is propaganda.
But Russia officially belongs to Mongolia
I thought Russia belonged to Ukraine and China belonged to Mongolia.
And a part to Sweden.
Within Russia, “imperialism” means “opposition of Russian imperialism”, and “fascism” is just used as “opposition of not supporting the Russian government”.
s/Russian imperialism/Putin’s egoism/
POV: posts harassing .ml stay up while post criticizing .world get removed.
Any example? Genuinely asking, I’m curious
Sure here’s one I made on .world two days ago and had to repost on .ee https://lemmy.world/post/18245990
Interesting posts. Lots of comments over there, thanks for sharing.
It seems to me a very reasonable explanation of why the post was removed. Your only response was “well then why am I banned from these communities?”, and you were promptly unbanned with the only ask that you be civil.
I think you’re describing the difference between criticism in the form of characterizing memes and criticism in the form of a formal accusation.
EDIT: also, out of curiosity, do you think if this was posted to .ml it would stay up?
It seems you are not reacting to the post I posted and instead making up fictional differences that do not exist.
I’m reacting to the comment that I replied to, not the post you posted lol.
Your comment was decrying “harassment” of .ml staying up while a formal accusation of .world being taken down.
Do you really not see a difference between this meme and your accusation?
If you scroll down in that post you find me providing a screenshot of targeted harassment against .ml in the exact same vein which stayed up for two months and was only removed after my comment was placed.
https://lemmy.world/comment/11554797
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Whether you believe Ukraine belongs to Russia or not is immaterial. Russia the imperialist capitalist state, which is what replaced the Soviet Union that America worked to destabilize until it collapsed, has nukes, Ukraine does not. The ending was decided before the conflict started.
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Taiwan is what remains of the old Republic of China that was mostly overtaken by the PRC. It also does not have nukes, but it does have sensitive chip manufacturing equipment. The politics of the island are divided.
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Ethnic conflict in former Yugoslavia began when the Soviet Union collapsed. Do with that what you will.
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South Korea was upheld by a series of brutal capitalist militarist dictatorships installed by the USA after its formation. It is part of a nuclear armed military alliance. Democracy is still relatively new there.
The ending was decided before the conflict started.
What are you on about? If the Ukranians didn’t put up such a fierce resistance and without NATO aid the capitol would have been overrun, Ukranian government replaced with a Russian puppet regime and pro-western Ukrainians suppressed and persecuted. Through Ukrainians incalculable sacrifice they have saved at least part of their country and will get to be a part of western world.
Decided my ass, you think Putin decided that?
For the sake of argument I’ll steelman your argument and assume it’s 100% true. Do you think this is sustainable long term as a bunch of nations’ markets are crashing and the US faces a new recession?
bunch of nations’ markets are crashing and the US faces a new recession?
Bruh, we’ve been seeing signals of recession for over 2 years. Jumpy stock markets saw a number they didn’t like and jumped. Whether or not we actually see a recession remains to be seen and depends a lot on how much less jumpy institutions react to the jumpy stock market’s reaction
Economic forecasts and financial decisions by institutions are already factoring in an expected rate cut on September, so I suspect it’s far too soon to be doomsaying that the next recession is here today
I don’t know what sovereignty has to do with markets or recessions. National security is always going to triumph over any other concern, especially when a foreign despot is out there to take over your country. This has been and continues to be a popular notion.
Love that I didn’t even have to check to know you came from .ml
I’m sure your opinion can be trusted to be honest, balanced, and humble.
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So, you’re either pro dictator or pro fascism? It’s funny it’s the national socialists (what ‘nazi’ stand for) who are shouting that anyone opposing them are fascists. But who needs education when you can get all your information from Facebook and tiktok right? 🤦
Mom, can we have no imperialism at home? No son, we already have imperialism at home. imperialism at home: Mom, I do not see imperialism at home!
Your friend who is wrong 100% of the time.
