Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
This is fine. I probably taste good.
without causing harm to animals
- Humans are animals
- Growing me-steak and eating it causes psychic damage
- Therefore, an animal was harmed
If we cultured cells from someone with an autocannibalism fetish, would it then be OK?
Like I take 1d4 psychic damage whenever I see furries at cons, but I don’t think they should have to be banned
I don’t think you can generalize that. I’d love to have little me-steaks and I’d even share them with friends, especially if they can be a Möbius strip.
As long as the human chooses to grow their me-steaks themselves I see no issue.
Just don’t get psychic damage, skill issue ngl
I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
stealing other people’s cells to eat them
This will become a sex thing for sure
There’s a (pretty great) movie where cannibalism is treated as a substitute for sex. It’s called Aamis.
I made a post about that a while ago: https://feddit.uk/post/14228639
Well if they combine that with 3D printed cell scaffolds they can eventually make a flesh fleshlight out of their own cells
The time is coming for the most involved “go fuck yourself” ever.
Streets ahead
3D printed cell scaffolds combined with this mean you can shape them
Now I wonder if someone has actually tried making a dildo from cultured flesh and skin
But it’s still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?
This is unironically one of my favourite questions to ask new friends. I’ve gotten a variety of answers, but my own response has always been yes, if the person was healthy and had clearly consented.
In my opinion, cannibalism is bad for two main reasons, 1) it can be unsafe if the person was ill, the meat has spoiled, or if it’s done too often (this has been studied in cannibalistic rituals) and 2) it’s unethical if the person doesn’t consent to it.
Eating animal meat is non consensual and there can be diseases in there too - many people have died from it. Just because it’s more socially acceptable, I don’t really see it as an ethically better decision.
I would 100% at least try my own home grown meat cells.
Damn, I love your response, even though I don’t know of I agree! Are you Vegan?
I personally see it as No, because I see us humans as special. Speaking as an atheist, end of day, we are special as humans.
I eat meat, I try to limit it to the ethically harvested. Hunted, family farm grown, it even tastes the best, any concerns aside. But eating a person is WRONG, consent or no.
I’m not vegan or vegetarian anymore because I have a lot of allergies that prevent me from eating plant based anything. But I also try to limit it to locally and ethically harvested when I do eat meat.
I identify as agnostic and definitely don’t believe that any one living being is better or more special than the others (except maybe cats).
It’s interesting that you ask if they are vegan, as if understanding the ethical problems of eating meat would only be valid if you are also strictly vegan.
You evidently understand it is not completely ethically correct to eat animals in all circumstances, as you say you only eat ethically harvested meat. But you also say you believe humans to be special as a reason to eat animals, so why not eat all animals under all circumstances?
The main point though, why would it still be wrong to eat human meat if lab grown and consensual?
Why is it wrong though? And why/how are people special? You didn’t provide any reasoning to either.
If you’re eating yourself I think it’s autophagy
So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it’s technically not the same thing. [Edit: Personally, it’s a bit of a tossup in my mind. I don’t think it’s unethical, but it’s still a weird thing]
Well your body technically canabalises itself if you starve to death
Yeah, I’m also unsure how I feel about it, I asked because it’s such a strange thing to think about
As long as it’s not coerced, yes (not the brain).
We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the person’s life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I’d still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.
In the current hypothetical:
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It’s screened, you can’t legally sell prion meat
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It’s taken nonlethally as a sample from a consenting human, possibly you
Ethical
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would you be OK with eating them
are they yummy ?
Haven’t tried it, you’ll have to make your own judgement there!
As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
Even if you did, while super weird as long as you didn’t get the cells through violence it’s probably still more ethical than the meat industry.
You can probably use some violence and still come out ahead. I don’t know how to do that math though.
And what if you don’t own a Honda?
auto cannibalism? %100 sure there will be tv shows about who has the best taste and the texture as well as onlyfans models selling cells from different parts of their body for astronomic prices
Would any of you care to taste my meat?
Carnists well do anything to eat meat
Oh come on veggist, I eat you and you eat me, in a consensual lab grown way.
And I am just kidding, not even sure I am on board with this, i think eating lab grown cow meat would be less upsetting.
It’s just frustrating. Despite study after study showing that consumption of meat leads to poor health, people keep doing it. It just reminds me of being an addict. Other people saying this causes less harm to other sentient beings are right I’ll conceded to that but based off everything I know, the consumption of meat isn’t an act of self love. I may just be sensitive because my mother is dying of stomach disease. Beans and rice vegan steps off soap box
Oh look cherry picked studies
If you look hard enough you can find any study to support your claim with enough word crafting
You need to learn what cherry picking is. These are studies funded by governments. Not meat packing corporations.
But I’m sure I can post some PFAS studies you can deny too.
Could we genetically engineer a synthetic meat cell line that is healthy enough to eat?
We’re humans, we can do anything we put our minds to. I’m not a geneticist nor nutritionist so there’s no way I could tell you for certain. But the more I think of this question the more Jeff Goldblum’s line from Jurassic Park comes to mind.
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
Haha but it’s yummy! This would be the easiest way to get rid of agricultural meat production for ethical and environmental reasons.
Of course for many species of cows it will be an extinction event.
Yeah and cocaine is fun to do too. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy.
It wouldn’t end animal agriculture. It would just become the vinyl record collectors version of meat consumption.
It saddens me that you believe the only reason for cows existence is because of humans.
If I may suggest donating some time at your local animal sanctuary to meet a cow. Much like dogs or cats they each have very different personalities. They can be very cuddly if they get to know you. Like most herbivores they just want to have good vibes and enjoy their life.
Sorry that was a bit hyperbole it would never be an all or nothing. You’d always have limited grass fed animal husbandry for milk and cheese. But my thought was that there should be some sort of rewilding effort for cows or Buffaloes or whatever their wild form even is or was in Europe.
And I was thinking in the way of harm reduction which is a tactic for drug. You won’t convince a majority of people to not want meant so the demand will be there. So practically artificial meat is the only way.
Oh no, meat grown in a way that doesn’t harm sentient beings! How awful!
I knew one of you would show up in this post and make it all about you
This post isn’t about you
Your right it’s not. It’s about your poor health.
The perfect gift for RimWorld players.
Hush, its so imperfect, it only makes meat, not Cowboy Hats made out of Cowboys
What if I want to grow my steak into a hollow-cylinder shape, and also, not eat it, per-se?
Is this technically cannibalism?
This is by definition cannibalism
Full self cannibalism. Like consuming ones own various fluids
No, ethically more like chopping off a leg for dinner than eating boogers.
*growing a leg from boogers
I mean you could also culture booger cells
Could make booger candy
It’s worse, so much worse even though it shouldn’t be
That could be useful at night during hayfever season
And eating people is useful during nofoodbigstarve season, but is it right though?
Art project from 2020 - intended to provoke the conversations here for sure. Still involves some animal products in production it looks like.
I don’t think this could be feasibly upscaled to sustain a dystopia.
Is this considered vegan meat?
As vegan as it gets, I’d wager. You need to take an initial sample to cultivate the meat from, which obviously isn’t vegan, but to my knowledge, the rest doesn’t require any further samples
What about this post has anything to do with vеgаnism BudgetBandit
Can’t speak for this specific kit but in general: A big problem with lab grown meat and cell tissue culture is that to grow cells in vitro you usually need fetal calf serum. That’s a liquid from, well, cow abortions basically, that contains a plethora of different molecules like growth factors and mediators. As far as I know, there is no vegan alternative to this yet. We are talking about a liquid here whose composition is really complex, so it’s a really big task to create a plant based FCS alternative that performs just as well.
Tldr: probably the set contains a liquid made from cows.
Likely depends on what’s needed/used as feed
This one is considered vegan because it used expired human blood cells, but calling a cheek culture meat is beyond the pale.
Yes it is, as no animal is harmed:
“Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.”
I’m putting ten in the bathtub and naming it Steve.
I’m not eating bugs, I’m not drinking water made from my own shit, I’m not going to live in a pod, I’m not eating “steak” made from my own body.
This is literally something in CardsAgainstHumanity
“Auto cannibalism…the new fad diet”
it would both lose you weight and disprove perpetual energy people. plus, the more you eat the more you lose!
I’m kinda selling myself on it.
see guy posting right wing meme, check guy’s profile, weird instance, comments supporting mike pillow and claiming Ukraine somehow started the war with Russia. heehoo
comments supporting mike pillow
I don’t support him or anything he says actually, I was just talking about how that one court ruling was bullshit because nothing was in writing. A “verbal agreement” in this case was most likely two guys yelling at each other in an argument. Which I don’t think any reasonable person would consider to be a contract.
I would’ve said it was bullshit no matter who it happened to.
Hate to break it to you, you’ve been drinking water made from something’s shit for as long as you’ve been alive.
hummm delicious cancer meet
So what do we feed the cells to allow them to grow?
the process still relies on fetal bovine serum (FBS) as a protein-rich growth supplement for animal cell cultures.
FBS, which costs around £300 to £700 per litre
That’s a fancy serum made from cow blood
Also this all comes from a submission to an art museum in 2020, it’s not supposed to be an actual product it’s more of a proof of concept type of thing.
Right, I assumed we weren’t about to see this on shelves or anything like that any time soon. But man that could do a lot for animal ethics
