Edit:
The poll stopped me in my tracks but it’s actually even worse.
It should not take this long to get to imdb
Edit2: didn’t even realize it thinks I’ll “love it” based on things I look up. I don’t think I’d like it.
Edit³: IMDb was the example I used without thinking. I’m aware that there’s a link to it in the top card. It’s the other web results that I don’t already know about that I’d like to see. I now know there’s a hidden “web” tab. There’s also https://www.google.com/search?udm=14&q=example` but it’s still mildly infuriating that you have to know about these things to get the basic results we expected for years.
Just switched to my own SearXNG instance. Won’t go back. Even did a PR for better Google Answers integration.
I continue to be one of the happiest customers for Kagi, a service that I am so happy to pay (for my family as well).
To be clear, there are some widgets that might be useful in some cases, but it should not be all you see (and it should definitely not include similar stuff as if the focus for any search is just to find more stuff to consume and please advertisers…).
Kagi’s ceo statements makes me hate it
I am not a fan of some of his ideas either, especially the ones tending towards libertarianism. Some other ideas instead are quite decent, like how he thinks companies should give back to the community. He also built a tech company without VC funding and with a good share of ownership for workers (which I think is nice), without any marketing (which I despise as industry) and generally without the predatory nature that 98% of tech companies have nowadays.
I am sure you are referring to the Brave debacle of months back, and FWIW, I agree with his position on that particular issue. Anyway, considering that I have no ideas about the positions for the CEOs/founders of the alternatives, I think it’s still a very worthy compromise to have a good product (incl. nonfunctional qualities like privacy, ecological impact etc.).
Getting 670k from a few private investors aint vc?
I havent heard about the brave debacle but some other comments ive seen make me really not trust this ceo
No, 670k from 42 investors means less than 20k of investment per investor. 670k is already a number ridiculously small for VC funding, but 20k is basically nothing.
Also, after just a few years, 37 employees and 30k users the company became profitable, which is an insanely low period/scale for usual VC funded tech companies.
I use kagi as well and love it. Worth every dime.
People that say they can’t see themselves paying for Search underestimate the value of clean high quality search results.
I’m a business owner and developer of firmware for esoteric products. I need high quality, powerful searches that don’t waste my time. Kagi is great for that. I created lenses on Kagi that I can use to focus my searches, a great time saver for me.
100% agree. I’ve been using Kagi for a bit over a month now and I love it. My one and only complaint is business hours can be harder to find - I have to actually click into their website for it. That’s it though! Everything else is dramatically less painful in my opinion. I don’t need business hours frequently enough for it to matter though, and if needed I can use Google for that one thing.
Kagi has been a breath of fresh air
Completely agree, I started seeing business hours popping up lately, I know that they know it’s an area of improvement.
It’s a premium service but it has very nice features and is a good product overall.
I havent used google as my search engine for a year now, I use duckduckgo instead, and it has been very few times where I have longed for (old) google.
To be fair. All the information for the movie is right there at the top. If you wanted just info about the movie.
The poll though… Ya… That’s kinda crazy.
You’d think that if you knew the answer to the poll question, you wouldn’t have Googled the title of the movie. I just don’t understand the thought process that led to this happening.
If you’ve seen a movie you wouldn’t search for it?
Not really, unless I wanted to know more about a specific part of it, like an explanation for a scene or the screen writer or wherever, and then I’d Google with keywords specific for that, not just the movie name. If I’m just searching a movie name it would probably be too know whether stuff Google throws up on top of their results, to be fair to them.
Love the podcast, yeah.
But this genuinely feels sensible?
The generated abstract includes the commonly needed links - including the IMDB you want and Rotten Tomatoes that I frequently want - and the very first result after that is Wikipedia for when you need that.
It’s like the best abstraction so you don’t have to wade through results, correctly understanding that if you search by just the title, you probably want information of through-links to common information/review sites.
They took it too far. A few cards can be convenient (though I feel bad for site runners) but the poll?
Damn. I switched to DDG like well over a year ago and thought I was just kind of putting up with it for the sake of privacy. Turns out I didn’t know how good I have it
It shouldn’t take this long to get to imdb
In case anyone here isn’t aware, you can directly search IMDB from DuckDuckGo by using the bang
!imdb.I can also search IMDB from IMDB.
Exactly. I’ve been using DDG for years now and when I have to use Google search for whatever reason, I am quickly reminded how crap ggl is.
I just wish DDG would finally kill their Apple Maps. Over here they’re so incredibly unusable it’s just not funny any more. I’ll take here maps before that POS.
It’s so bad that on desktop, you can’t even go and click on alternative elements on the map without explicitly changing your search terms to them. You see them, but they’re non-interactive. So the incredibly common case “I remember the name of the restaurant next to this place” (or something similar) cannot be done on DDG, on account of getting Apple money to include their maps.
Completely agree! I wish you could choose which map to use. I still use and love google maps.
Using a specialized tool for the task is the way to go, in my opinion. I use OpenStreetMaps when I need to look at the map. If I’m looking for some famous(ish) place, I look it up on Wikipedia and jump to OSM from there.
I had the identical reaction. Thanks OP for posting this repellent screenshot. So glad I changed my defaults.
DDG is moving into the same direction. I had to use ublock to hide the news block that appears when I’m searching for a movie/show in order to avoid spoilers.
In fact this was one of the key features lauded about DDG in its early days, the “instant result”-boxes.
Google kinda only went hard on them afterwards, probably seeing a good idea over at DDG because for the vast majority of people, they’re looking for answers and results, not specifically objects of type link-to-search-result. They don’t need a list of links, so long as the information they were after is reliably in those generated cards.
See OP wanting an IMDB link, which is directly there as Google correctly assumed that’s a very very very common use case for googling the name of a movie.
IMDB I can accept, random news websites - no.
Kagi has all these options as well but everything can be disabled in the settings.
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Getting results without scrolling? That day is today.
Totally worth the subscription
I was a bit skeptical about paying for search, but after trying out the free plan, I subbed and later upgraded to the family plan. No regrets.
A poll in the search results, what the heck?!
They’re throwing shit at the wall I guess. Last week I got this in my YouTube feed:
Great, now they’re going to start giving us exams before we’re allowed to watch a video.
Is it low pitch?
No, it’s lower volume (think amplification). Lower pitch would be from low frequency.
Are they trying to train an AI?
no, too stupid of a question
Simple questions with known answers might be a way to weed out malicious/untrustworthy responders.
Yes, control questions, in a form, with 20 other open-ended questions which answers actually have value.
This is solely for engagement. Trivia questions have no value for training models.
I doubt it. They know I’m into audio production and this is kind of a softball question. Maybe if they start giving me more advanced ones.
The Gemini logo next to the word “Experiment” makes me suspicious.
The quiz itself was definitely made by an AI.
I think it’s just something creators can do to boost gain extra impressions but apparently they don’t have to do it themselves anymore…
I switched to DuckDuckGo on all my devices and I get shocked that people can’t find anything when they search.
Momentum’s a bitch. I’ve been using google search since I lost touch with Jeeves and that pile of dogs ran away.
…dogs?
Did it spoil the movie in the suggested questions 💀
Probably, luckily I had no interest in watching it and looked it up for other reasons.
SearXNG is the best
Man, I hate people like you, because I am constantly reminded of how I really need to get round to checking out Searx, but I never get round to it.
(I am joking, because the only person who is putting pressure on me about this is me, and that’s because finding time to do this is something I want to do. Thank you for reminding me, even if I will keep procrastinating)
NGL, it’s a pain in the ass to get it done the first time.
Docker -> Cloudflare is a lot of learning if you don’t already have the skillset.
And it does have issues on locale based searches, when meta searches do geo lookups, you end up on partner nodes.
In fairness, IMDB is right there on the first info card.
As a side point: IMDB’s page is even more obtuse and unnavigable than it was 5 years ago. Literally no hotbar…
Every front end design dev that graduated in the last decade is brain damaged
That’s Amazon’s way of working. They push the content that they want you to use over what you want to use.
This seems so fuckdamn back asswards to me. I mean the website experience is 80% of the service. Why alienate visitors for the CHANCE to upsell them when failure means they stop using the service?
I mean let’s consider the opposite: What if every time you opened the page, stuff you WANTED was there instead of stuff THEY want you to want? I guarantee that would drive sales and satisfaction better than the impulse buy chinese shit that breaks in 3 uses.
It’s not the individual contributors writing the website that are making these decisions, it’s people in $1000 suits, sitting on the 44th floor of a Manhattan skyrise asking “how do we make red line go up?”.
There were at least a group of people overseeing the redesign, and none of them thought that making the site harder to navigate would turn off visitors, all they saw was the opportunity to advertise even harder.
MBAs are ruining literally everything and it’s getting to the point where they need to be dragged out into the streets.
I remember a time where you could get multiple search results without scrolling
So one doesn’t count.
Yes, but their edit says that it shouldn’t take so long to get to IMDB which is what I was commenting on.
The fact that there is only one result is awful.
Seeing only (edit…) two to three // results per scroll is way too cramped.
I miss the early 2000s when you’d get like 15 or 20 search results a page on a 1280 monitor because hosts weren’t BLIND.
The IMDb is there at the top. Just Under the white YouTube box. It tells the rating. But if you click it goes to the IMDb page for it
