Elon and Trump make the worst possible argument for nuclear power I have ever heard:
“Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed but now they are full cities again,” the multibillionaire owner of Tesla, SpaceX and X said.
“That’s great, that’s great,” Mr Trump responded.
“It is not as scary as people think, basically,” Mr Musk added.
They joked about nuclear power facing a “branding problem”.
“We will have to rebrand it,” the former president told Mr Musk. “We will name it after you or something.”
He’s gonna run for president some time in the future, mark my words. And he’s gonna be a lot worse than Trump.
He can’t right? Born in South-Africa, so he’s ineligible.
That would count on the Supreme Court not to mess with this for a Republican candidate.
Wasn’t 44 born in Kenya or something?
Hawaii. Close enough for some though.
Wouldn’t matter if he was (he was born in Hawai’i). His mother was American and he automatically was. Elon’s father and mother are South African.
A bunch of racist assholes made that claim while Obama was in office, but they notably never produced even the tiniest shred of evidence that it was even a possibility.
So no. He wasn’t born in Kenya.
Oh, I see.
This is the problem with misinformation and low information voters. Shits been a decade and you still thought he was born in Kenya?
Do you actually follow any news sources at all?
Alright I’ll come clean: I knew he was born in Hawaii all along.
The World Trade Center was destroyed by terrorists, but they built a new one. Not as scary as you think.
The Japanese people witnessing those events might have a second opinion.
Can people stop trying Musk like he is some sort of “cool bro” idol?
He should be strapped to a spacex rocket and sent to the sun. It isn’t as scary as you think.
The SpaceX rocket unfortunately isn’t powerful enough to launch anything into the sun, but yes.
Doesn’t need to reach the sun.
Even exploding on launch is enough.
That said, such an explosion would that be more or less scary than the sun?
Not as scary as people think.
I’m sure we could modify it to make it possible. Even if we miss… 🤷🏼♂️
Tell trump it’s ok to go at night, when the sun is cool.
He’ll be blind from staring so he won’t feel much
I have an idea Elon - how about we bomb your house with you in it? I’m sure after a while some other people will build another house there and move in, so it’s all good, right?
Yea, it wouldn’t be as bad as he thinks.
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not as scary as people think
This painting/drawing is from artist Kichisuke Yoshimura, who said of it, “Their clothes ripped to shreds, their skin hanging down. On the riverbank I saw figures that seemed to be from another world. Ghost-like, their hair falling over their faces, their clothes ripped to shreds, their skin hanging. A cluster of these injured persons was moving wordlessly toward the outskirts.”
John Hersey’s book, Hiroshima, which is a book of personal accounts he recorded just one year after the event from six people who were there, is one of the most haunting things you will ever read.
Not scary: some people were vaporized leaving only a shadow, others badly burned as the painting shows, people were maimed and amputated by the blast, and a big part of the city was blown and burned down. Plus the poor souls who would die horribly from acute radiation poisoning over the following days.
And let’s not forget those nuclear weapons were some of the very first ever made. Modern atomic weapons can range from Hiroshima-size to turning a mountain into a radioactive lake range. Thankfully no hydrogen bomb has even been used in anger because that would be a completely different level of horror (and likely the trigger to the end of human civilization).
Many nuclear powers have policies to fire nukes on warning. That means they would shoot back even before the enemy nuke hits them. Shoot when the nukes are confirmed to be incoming.
Republicans love to regularly talk down the World-ending horror that would be using atomic weapons in war. During Bush Jr.'s “war on terror” they were already talking about using bunker-buster nukes and tried to diminish the well-deserved stigma of nuclear weapons.
Renaming them atomic weapons “Musk bombs” sounds hilariously misguided.
some children where at home after the bomb fell and they said a horrific burnt figure on fours came crawling in and died. It was so burnt black and horrifically melted they thought it was a dog. It was their mother.
absolutely sickening these “men” I wish i could just absolutely take it to these pieces of shit and beat them senseless.
They’re really working on making World War III attractive. That’s not a joke. They long for war.
We already had two World Wars and civilization still exists. It’s not as scary as people think, basically. /s
It’s the absolute decadence of having a generation of youngsters offered up to the blood God for your personal indulging of geopolitical prowess
Not defending these two unethical bullies in general, but on this particular paragraph they are totally taken out of context. It is obvious that they are not downplaying the atrocities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki but merely stating that nuclear energy is not bad since people are already living there again.
Then they are simply idiots. A nuclear bomb like Hiroshima and Nagasaki are much different than the meltdown in Pripyat. That still has dangerous levels of radiation.
Fair point. I should’ve made the distinction. But in any case, nuclear power plants aren’t bad.
- Our Friend The Atom (1957), educational video by Disney.
- The Safest Source of Energy Will Surprise You, spoiler: nuclear energy is the safest.
- Titans of Nuclear, nuclear energy podcast. If you watched the series Chernobyl, I highly recommend this podcast’s five dedicated episodes expanding on the misinformation it contains.
- Nuclear Energy, Zondag met Lubach.
- We have a solution for final disposal of spent nuclear fuel.
As I said in my original post, the problem is that it is the worst possible argument you can make in favor of nuclear power, not that there are arguments in favor of nuclear power.
I’m just addressing the fuss that’s being created. They are clearly not saying “the bombings were not as bad as people think”, but the headlines and articles make it seem so.
By doing this we are using the same spurious tactics as they are. Inundating people with blown out of proportion news like this will desensitise them to step into action when it will actually be warranted—the boy who cried wolf.
They spew tons of misinformation/disinformation/fallacies that should be addressed instead.
No, he’s saying nuclear power isn’t as scary as people think because things got better in the cities that America dropped atomic bombs on.
Which is exactly what I quoted him saying.
I can’t disagree with what you quoted, nor state that it is a good argument—it isn’t, as was already pointed out and which I do agree with. I’m emphasising that they are not saying “the bombings were not as bad as people think”.
There is a reason people call them Weird. Anyone who calls the death of hundreds of thousands of people “not as scary as people think” needs their heads examined. And with those two, I would not mind if that would be perfomed in the autopsy department.
Simply flee the country on a private jet or crawl into your billion-dollar bunker and the blast cannot impact you, what’s the problem? It’s only going to kill hundreds of thousands of poors, NBD.
Wait, that’s the old tech… it’s only going to kill millions of poors, NBD.
Cool story Elon. Tell us, how bad would it be if a Fat Man bomb was detonated over your house? Pretty bad? Yeah now STFU.
Nuclear power needs rebranding
Elon: “TrumpX”
It clear most here didn’t listen to the steam. There is a lot of bullshit in that stream. But this barely meets the bar.
Trump was on the coal and oil train and Elon was basically trying to convince Trump that nuclear power is not as risky as people make it out to be. He even refuted Trump’s claim that the land in Fukushima and other nuclear disasters will be inhabitable for 1000+ years. His example may have been in poor taste, but not like the headlines make it out to be.
P.S. In 2024, is there already not enough material from these two dipshits that the news sites still have to take things out of context for clicks?
Ok, so now that’s Japan, EU, UK and Brazil that hate elon’s guts. He’s gonna start to run out of democracies to fuck with, will he move on to dictators or is that friendly fire?
As a nation of one, one of my foreign policy agendas is the eradication of everything Elon Musk stands for. All my cells voted in favor of this, we are not a house divided.
yeah, yeah, there are people of all kinds in these places, but know that if he attacks your institutions, he is not on your side. Governments have taken notice and are starting to act on it.
He will not mess with dictators. Because in those countries he can get anything he wants just by bribing a few people. Not so in democracies.
