- Google is transitioning Chrome’s extension support from the Manifest V2 framework to the V3.
- This means users won’t be able to use uBlock Origin to block ads on Google Chrome.
- However, there’s a new iteration of the app — uBlock Origin Lite, which is Manifest V3 compliant but doesn’t boast the original version’s comprehensive ad-blocking features.
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Use Firefox. If something you use ABSOLUTELY needs Chromium yell at whoever makes the thing. If that still doesn’t work use Brave. But then go back to Firefox for everything else.
Screw that. Use Firefox, but if you need Chrome, use brave, use Vivaldi, use Opera for all it mattwrs. Asanything that still works is fine.
This brave paranoia is just insane. You don’t want crypto, don’t use it. You don’t trust brave use Vivaldi, but spreading fake fear is BS.
You don’t want crypto, don’t use it.
I use Brave as my Chrome based browser when not using Floorp but there were other issues with Brave in the past like injecting their affiliate links unbeknownst to users so they could make money off them. They have reverted that decision but that they thought it was acceptable in the first place leaves some to question, rightly, what other shenanigans they might pull. They’ve also had issues with paying out Creators BAT tokens.
Yep company’s not totally trustworthy neither is Google neither is Microsoft. By the way, Firefox still sends all of your websites to Google to get safe traffic prompts.
Brave also got and slapped by the SEC for the handling of their crypto sales.
The link issue you’re speaking of was 4 years ago. The CEO issued a formal apology.
They’re a funded company they are trying to make money to pay the developers to stay solvent.
On the upside they’re using that money to fight Google’s ad blocking and to keep manifest V3 optional.
The way they block the ads happens outside of manifest so even if they take the manifest code they still won’t have ads. Of the chromium ancestry browsers they are the most likely to continue running long-term. They’re also the fastest solution for YouTube blocking when YouTube makes changes.
I main Firefox but still use brave over edge or opera.
Right now, we need all the boats we have. Not everything works in Firefox you need to have a backup,
Brave altered URLs clicked to add their own affiliate links. Browsers should go to where you click. That’s like their whole job. There are reasons to dislike Brave apart from crypto.
4 years ago
Also Firefox sends all of your browser data to Google for safe browsing checks Right now.
Are you talking about this? They say it only calls out to get updated lists and when you actually arrive at a phishing page to check if the page is still marked as suspicious.
Also, I agree it was 4 years ago. That’s a fair point. To me it’s super important and they’ve probably permanently lost my trust (or at least it’s always going to be besmudged). If you believe they’ve changed in that time period (or it’s not as critical to you) then that’s fine.
For what it’s worth, when I need a Chromium based browser because the site has a bug and won’t work with Firefox my (current) go to is Brave. I use it on a semi regular basis because dndbeyond.com works poorly with Firefox. So every 2 to 4 weeks I use it for that.
You can also disable FF from connecting to safe browsing with flags. I prefer to let my DNS handle that list.
My Work ADP portal also misbehaves in FF.
I’ve also made FF stop using Google search for anything.
I advocate people use whatever works for them. I’d advocate for Edge, but they have already clarified they intend to follow Chrome to the letter.
Vivaldi has claimed they intend to fork and not enforce V3, but acknowledge it’s no small feat and they may fail.
Operam I believe has claimed they intend not to enforce V3
Brave goes as far as saying that they’re immune to it even if they turned it on.
I don’t trust any browser 100% Firefox was close and is still my most trusted.
I’m down with pushing everyone into Firefox, but I’m not loving the chrome variant hate. Use whatever works unless the browsers are currently acting bad.
I’ve switched to Brave. I only use it for general internet use. What am i missing out on if i don’t go back to Firefox?
Support for Chromuin backed browsers ?
I keep Throriim there for the odd shit ball site thear refuses but then thats the point.
fuck brave. use librewolf.
Cool, I’ll give it a shot.
Edit: is there a mobile version?
short answer: No
long answer: Most people just like to shout-out what they like, and don’t want to know your use case. If you need pc/mobile sync, Firefox will be your best choice here.
What you are missing out on? Probably not much. Some sites might even work worse if you switch, due to lazyness or sabotage by devs.
Using Firefox is good for the ecosystem in general, to have a counter balance to Google. I use both Firefox and chromium and see very little difference. Some extensions might be worth it (like the title says), so that might be a difference for you.
Thank you!
I know its everyone’s personal choice and all that but in my opinion people should stop using chromium engine browsers. It was a good engine however the fact that chromium has the majority users is the only thing holding lazy developers from porting websites to work with other browser engines gives google more control.
So what are the better options. I don’t know much (anything) about web engines. Privacy is my top priority.
Most “browsers” being marketed out there are based off of Google’s Chromium project. They are effectively re-skins of it (simplifying a little). Examples include Brave, Vivaldi, Opera I believe.
Firefox is completely separate and independent from this ecosystem (which is also why there’s a separate extension store for Firefox).
The third and last major (>a couple % market share) engine is WebKit, which is the basis of Apple’s Safari.
There’s tons of cool stuff out there, but it’s either niche (platform/use case), unstable to use, and/or both. Examples: Servo, Ladybird, Orion
To sum it up, if you’re a normal, average user:
- If you have exclusively Apple devices, probably try Safari (for the synchronization & battery efficiency)
- If not, Firefox!
- If you need it because of some really messed up development/compatibility issues, the last resort is ungoogled/de-googled Chromium
While on the topic, here’s some cool browser extensions:
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Consent-O-Matic (auto-deny cookie banners)
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StopTheMadness / StopTheMadness Pro (macOS only)
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Bitwarden or the browser extension of another, different password manager you (hopefully) already use
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YouTube-specific extensions, if you use the platform
- SponsorBlock for YouTube (Firefox link)
- Stop AutoPlay Next for YouTube (Firefox link)
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(optional) Privacy-heavy focus. Caution: Having these extensions may lead to some sites breaking – they are not necessary for most people.
- Privacy Badger
- CanvasBlocker (Firefox)
- Cookie AutoDelete (Firefox)
- AdNauseam advertisement & tracking blocker/obfuscator – if you use decide to use this, probably deactivate the others including uBlock Origin
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(optional) Dark Reader
Edit: fixed a link
Wow, thanks! I had no idea there was Bitwarden extension.
What’s the general consensus on Arch? I really like the UX, although I stuck to Firefox on mobile.
Not trying to troll or anything, but what can Chrome do that Firefox cannot?
I’ve always felt like Firefox has more useful features like screenshotting, etc.
Even if it didn’t have superior functionality, I’d still support & use firefox over chrome just because I don’t care how fast the sports car is: if it’s not going where I tell it to, I ain’t gettin’ in.
I only break out Chrome(or Edge) for two reasons:
One is access to serial ports to flash ESP devices, or update the firmware on my XR glasses. Firefox can’t do that.
The other is to automate Twitch drop collection. The addon I found to reload broken streams and collect drops while I’m at work only has a Chrome version.
The addon I found to reload broken streams and collect drops while I’m at work only has a Chrome version.
The question is, is it gonna have a Manifest V3 version?
Looking at it, seems not. Google store page says it doesn’t follow best practices and may soon no longer be supported. AFAIK it’s a single dev hobby project so this might be the end of it. Ah well. I’ll just no longer have as many free skins for games.
I’ll just no longer have as many free skins for games.
Yeah, that FOMO is a bitch. I had to break myself of obsessively clicking for drops for games I don’t own or haven’t been playing.
I really hope ff gets WebSerial support.
Another thing that comes in mind is native PWA support. Currently you need an extension.
Last time I checked: tab groups. Yes there are extensions for it, but all the ones I tried were either really over complicated or buggy. Chrome tab groups are pretty simple and seamless to use.
But I’m going to have to figure something out because I’d rather lose tab groups than ad blocking, so I’ll have to switch to something.
Waterfox has a native sidebar/vertical tab feature along with container tabs that might fill your tab group needs (I stopped using chrome before they added tab groups so I watched a 4m video on them and seems like you could get all the features and more out of the sidebar).
Firefox native tab groups are coming soon!
Didn’t know about those in Chrome. Sounds good, though I’ve always just grouped my Firefox tabs by having a browser window of tabs per logical group
To be honest, the Lite version is working well enough for me right now that I don’t feel like I need to switch.
Some websites intentionally break Firefox for some reason. I’ve had numerous issues on Firefox which were resolved by switching to Chrome. These could potentially be fixed by a User-Agent string change, but instead of dealing with it I switched to a Chromium based browser.
What if we stop using User-Agent altogether? It would increase privacy and prevent browser discrimination. Too bad for the Analytics services, but after all… who cares?
Ding ding. This header is bullshit and only exists to exploit users.
I’ve started using Ecosia and i honestly have liked my results far more than on chrome
FYI TELL YOUR LOVED ONES ABOUT THIS
If you are on here you’re probably like me “the it guy of the family”
Mom and dad aren’t going to switch themselves, remove chrome for them as the default install Firefox and tell them to use that unless something absolutely refuses to work. Pick your battles.
I can’t even get my mom to stop believing that her bank would text her asking for her account info.
Sometimes people just refuse common sense and have to be left to ruin their own lives, no matter how much you love them.
Cause theres no point drowning yourself, trying to keep idiots that refuse to swim above water.
Good news for Mom, Firefox doesn’t really change functionality wise compared to Chrome.
If you are the IT guy just buy a raspberry pi or a cheap mini pc and install pi-hole at your parents place that you can access remotely. That way their entire network is blocked from ads and you can troubleshoot from anywhere.
Honestly that’s way too much work. Keep it simple imo.
It is simple. Probably simpler than educating a stubborn boomer to use a different browser.
And then it gets blamed every time something doesn’t work right with the internet
Yeah that’s what happened with my wife. Had to scrap PiHole because she didn’t want to deal with it.
I gave my parents 3 "The internet stopped working so I reset the router"s before I stopped trying. If you can’t follow the simplest instructions you’re on your own. Enjoy your adds and paying for subscription services.
Could use Brave, built using chromium but has ad block built in.
Edit - have been made aware that brave is not ideal - Link
Edit edit! - Yeah, Brave’s CEO sounds like a grade a dick. I’ve switched to Firefox for sure. Not been here in a while.
No thanks. Brave got some serious problems and you might as well use Edge or something that isn’t owned by a bigot.
Oh shit, I’ve only got a few lines into the article but will read the rest soon. Ty.
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Switching back to Firefox in the next few weeks. Fuck you google
What did the fact checker bot ever do to you?
Shh, we dont talk about that here…
Fact checker bot is BS. It should be banned.
Just block it and you won’t have to see it any more.
That doesn’t fix the problem. MBFC is firmly biased, and presenting it as unbiased is positively harmful.
Sure because if I don’t see it the problem is solved.
I wonder why you hate the fact-checkers.
I don’t hate fact checkers.
I dislike this bot.
Spread disinformation.
Label anything short of outright fascism as “left leaning” in an attempt to shift the overton window even further right than it already is in the US.
Spam.
It’s malware, it’s harmful, and it should be banned.
uBlock Origin Lite, which is Manifest V3 compliant but doesn’t boast the original version’s comprehensive ad-blocking features.
Then what is the purpose/value of it?
It’s not as comprehensive, but it still blocks ads. Personally, I’ve not noticed a difference. If you are a power user with custom rules and third party lists then your experience will vary.
I went ahead and switched to Firefox which I can also use on my phone and now block ads there, too.
Its able to block some ads. However, from a security perspective this basically means google chrome is no longer a web browser that should be used in a professional setting, let alone for your private and personal work
I’ll let corporate worry about corporate… I don’t want the ads at home.
100% don’t use it at home. I’m saying if you wouldn’t even use it at work (and you seriously shouldn’t anymore, its a total liability) you for sure shouldn’t use it at home
I’d just like to reassure everybody that you can quit using Google Chrome. I switched to Firefox a year ago. You can switch to something else too. Give it a try.
Wait, I don’t need to nudge anybody. After all the ads start invading their browsing experience I doubt anybody will need much prodding.
I’ve always used Firefox on every other device I own, but now I need to do something about my Chromebook.
Yep… when ublock quits working for me on Chrome then I will migrate.
Why wait? Migrate now. There’s even Firefox for mobile with ublock
I tried but for some reason certain websites can’t play any videos on Firefox without buffering every like 5 or 10 seconds for a few seconds. It happens on 100% of videos on YouTube and like 50% of videos on any other website. It’s super annoying, so back to chrome I went and I guess I’ll stay until ublock bites the dust and I have to move.
Google owns YouTube so there’s probably some shenanigans there
Thats Googles fault. Firefox has an user agent switcher -addon. Flip it there to appear as Chrome, and suddenly Youtube bufferring problems drastically lessen.
Also if you are in EU, consider making a complaint about this assholish and anti-competetive behaviour to your country’s competition/trade authority. Also EU’s, if you feel like being an extra responsible EU citizen. These assholes at Google need to be fined to extinction.
I personally enjoy Ecosia. They’re the ones who plant trees whenever you use their search engine, and while not the best, at least their mobile app has a built in ad-blocker that imo seems pretty decent.
You can use FireFox and set your default search engine to Ecosia’s. Best of both world’s.
There is also a FF extension called Search For Trees that defaults to Google’s search engine instead of Ecosia/Bing where you don’t have to pre-load each search with #g, unlike Ecosia. The Google search in this extension is a little wacky though so not perfect. Search For Trees donates to Trees For the Future btw.
There is?
Firefox mobile allows you to install extensions just like a PC version of the browser.
low key that’s why I switched. ads on mobile are so incredibly intrusive
Only on Firefox Android.
As far as I know, Safari is the only browser with Adblock on iOS.
I use Firefox Focus on iOS. It blocks quite a bit without addons.
This is true, however, Firefox focus has a built in blocker that’s pretty good, and the Orion browser for iOS actually supports Firefox extensions (even though it’s built on top of safari), and is also pretty good. I run bothe Firefox focus and Orion with ublock on my iOS devices.
I just installed Orion thanks to this post and I’m really impressed. I usually stick to safari, but I’m going to sit on this for a week and see how I feel about it.
2 quick questions; Do you know if it’s possible to get YouTube videos to run in PiP on iOS/iPadOS? And is there a dark mode for the app’s interface?
Yes, you can do pip, you need to first expand the video to full screen, then tap the screen to bring up the on screen controls, and you should see a pip button in the upper left of the video.
Orion doesn’t have a dark mode that I’m aware of, though it mostly respects iOS dark mode (with annoying exceptions). Though with firefox extensions, you can install dark reader, or you can install the dark reader iOS app, to get dark mode on all websites.
Edit: I’m not certain that dark reader iOS app will work with orion. I don’t use the app, I use the firefox extension with orion.
Also third party browsers on iOS are forced to use a janky slow WebKit WebView instead of the accelerated WebKit on Safari.
In the EU, things are different and third-party rendering engines have been forced upon Apple, so people there may have more options.
On Android, Firefox for iOS doesn’t have addons because Apple.
It it because apple doesn’t want addons, or because firefox is forced to use webkit?
From what I understand, it’s mostly because they’re forced to use WebKit, and building a compatibility layer to make the existing addons to work within iOS constraints on top of WebKit would need a significant amount of work.
My guess is that Mozilla is waiting on the engine restrictions to be lifted, but so far that will only happen in the European market with their alt stores.
The Orion browser has rudimentary support for Firefox extensions. UBlock origin seems to work for me. Best I’ve found for iOS
For real the votes here have so much “well it works on my machine so you must be wrong”-energy
Mull is a Firefox fork with even more privacy features. There are others that I’m sure people will chime in with.
Yes. You can install extensions on firefox mobile just like you can on the desktop version. IIRC it’s the only mobile browser that does this.
Yes my main mobile browser
That doesn’t really answer my question. How does one get ublock origin on mobile?
There’s an extensions menu in the firefox app, uBlock is listed as one of the recommend ones, all you have to do is click the plus sign to add it.
Not in mobile
You use Firefox as your mobile browser
And to add to that, set all your programs and links to open in Firefox by default, instead of the YouTube app, etc. then you’re blocking ads just like a desktop on every site you visit.
Same as on desktop. You go to the Mozilla extension site or the author’s site and click add.
Same here. Haven’t seen an ad in I don’t know how long.
Blocks ads in YouTube too, and if you add sponsorblock you it’ll skip in video ads too
Or better still firefox focus. Ad blocking built in and it drops all the cookies as soon as you close it.
I keep firefox on mobile for when I need to go to a trusted site, firefox focus for everything else.
I just wanted to drop in to say I do the same!! Especially on iOS where regular Firefox is kinda so-so (but better than Safari) Firefox Focus meanwhile is King
Mostly inertia and other priorities…
It’s ez
yeah, I went ahead and set it up…
Any recommendation for an alternative to Hangouts?
Hopefully it will break badly enough to move people past their inertia so then there can be a more serious competitor to Chrome, or maybe even multiple competitors to Chrome.
Yup
I don’t understand the inertia if I’m honest.
Easy to understand. People don’t like change.
Despite 25 years in IT, and knowing better, I only recently switched back to Firefox. I expected a fair bit of hassle, and I won’t say the transition was seamless, but I was astounded.
Those of us in the know aren’t doing any good circle jerking ourselves over our superior browser. We need to get our friends, coworkers and relatives engaged. And that should be easy if we contrast our ad-free experience with theirs.
On that note: Anyone wanting the same look and feel of Chrome without ads should try Brave. No add-ons or plugins necessary.
Firefox with NoScript is better than any adblocker I used. It blocks the ‘disable adblocker’ popups alongside ads and most sketchy shit in general
It also blocks everything else on the website.
It’s definitely more of a hassle than most people will want to deal with. But I still prefer to have it and selectively enable things as needed, because quite frankly I’d rather deal with predictable hassles of my own making than be bombarded with new bullshit every day due to ever worsening trends in enshittification.
Tip: its not better if you know its to much hassle for most people. But dont let that stop you from posting your ideas. The more power to those that such is not a hassle.
People have different tolerances for these kinds of things. Some people never bother to even get an ad blocker. Some won’t touch settings no matter how simple. And some want to tweak and modify endlessly.
You can basically use uBlock Origin as NoScript (or I think ScriptSafe? or did they change back?) if you put it into “hard mode.”
I personally like “medium mode”. I guess I get why they hide it behind several obscure steps, but I feel like they should advertise it more. It’s a nice middle ground. Still breaks every website the first time you go there but meh. Small price to pay.
Why not both?
Because it can ruin your browsing experience all together. It’d be like installing multiple anti-virus programs on your Windows PC
look into umatrix, it’s a better noscript, made by the same dev as ublock.
Formerly made by the same dev. Not because somebody else took it over, but because he deprecated it entirely.
ah ok, I didn’t realize.
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iirc some hardened firefox configs, including arkenfox, recommend using ublock ONLY. other privacy extensions like noscript aren’t worth using because ublock replicates all of their features plus more
Firefox reader mode is the champ, especially when combined with uBlock
Nobody that cares about seeing ads is still on chrome. I bet they don’t lose more than 8-10% market share in a year even that is probably super high
You can even keep all your bookmarks
Do you know if brave browser is better than firefox? they claim to prioritize user privacy more than firefox
I’d use Firefox over brave. The company behind brave will still sell your data.
They’re selling the tor feature of brave. You can install tor in FF.
I like brave because it’s staffed with developers full-time to block YouTube. I don’t love their crypto, but I don’t use it, and it does pay their devs.
brave is based on chromium, so it’s not 100% safe from google
Rocking Firefox even from my Android phone. It works great!
This is as good a place as any to challenge firefox users: what are you doing to support the project?
Using their software doesn’t support them, unless you search with Google and I doubt many users reading this do.
Mozilla may be deserving of criticism, but criticism alone does not support them.
I fear that one day we will lose firefox.
My biggest worry about Mozilla is that most of their revenue comes from Google. What’s stopping Google from demanding that Mozilla does certain things to Firefox, like forcing them to reduce the ad blocking capabilities, just like Chrome?
I think that specific concern is unfounded, but it’s obviously problematic that their revenue fines from Google.
That said, everyone has been trying to find an alternative for the last decade, yet here we are.
Soooo you’re saying I should donate to the Mozilla foundation?
I pay for Mozilla VPN and relay throwaway email addresses. And I seldom use either it’s basically just a donation.
What’s even worse is every time someone mentions Firefox, some chucklefuck has to go hardcore negative on everything Mozilla does that is 1/10th as shitty as Google. Just shut your piehole if you don’t like the only somewhat private open source browser.
Let’s be honest, Mozilla is only 1/10 as shitty as Google because they’re 1/100 the size. If they had the resources, they’d be just as awful. They’ve already shown us how awful they can be at their current size, I can’t imagine how bad they’d be if they were at Google’s scale. Firing your employees and giving your execs bonuses is 100% a Google-like move, and the only reason they stopped at a few hundred employees was because they didn’t have more to give.
Just because they make a good open source product doesn’t make them immune from criticism.
You severely underestimate how shitty Google is. I highly doubt Mozilla would try to pull shit like Web Integrity or making their sites work worse on competitor browsers on purpose even if they were as large as Google. (Though, maybe to become as large as Google they would have to start doing this kind of shit so you might be right in some way.)
Intrusive ads and…
MALWARE!
To be fair, some add-ons are the worst malware you can have. Google is trying to combat that
Bullshit, they are trying to kneecap ad blocking to protect their bottom line. They could have protected people from sketchy add one without fucking up ublock
Yep, the main reason I started using adblockers in the first place is because I was tired of the weekly disinfection routine of my pc.
Hiding ads wasn’t my main motivation to start with, I just wanted to keep my system safe and shit free.
“always do evil” ~Google
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KilledByGoogle up next: Chrome. You mean they pulled the plug on Chrome.
A lot of momentum to dissipate but the ad blocker defines a bearable web experience.
Nah, chrome will block “intrusive” ads to maximise Google’s revenue
Firefox ftw
