- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
I really wanted to post this on [email protected] but I’m not trans myself and I didn’t want to take up their space.
Basically, the devs of Lemmy are looking to make upvotes public to everyone. Right now, I believe voter identities are known to server admins and mods.
I don’t have a strong opinion on this myself, either for or against, as I write this comment, but I’m wondering if there’s something I’m missing, frankly as a cishet dude.
But also… I’ve kinda lost trust in Nutomic making decisions about the software that won’t make things worse for trans people since his comments on the Olympics were made public. Dessalines has (so far) at least tolerated Nutomic’s transphobia despite whatever prior rhetoric. Frankly, I am suspicious that trans people don’t matter to the Lemmy dev team…to be charitable…so I’d really like to hear your thoughts.
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Remove upbears along with downbears. Return to forum posting.
but keep the bear to click on even if it does nothing, like the chat gem in diablo 2
Doesn’t matter on Hexbear since I upvote randomly.
IDK basically our votes were nonconsensually used to police behavior by mods back in the @[email protected] days and it made me feel real prickly even though I didn’t really have anything to fear. I’ve basically assumed my votes were as good as public this whole time with the assumption mods could on-a-dime choose them to be.
I think HB has an echo chamber problem and I don’t think this kind of policy helps that at all.
As well as being poor for opsec, without a very clear use case, I think this would just create more anxiety in people. I don’t see it making for a happier nicer community.
This is definitely going to add to the mental health problems of the type of people who obsess about this shit.
since his comments on the Olympics were made public
Yeah, we used this to check for people mass down voting trans users and then banned them(then down votes was removed)
I’d like it to be an opt-in thing so my crushes don’t notice me upbearing all their posts
no more half measures walter
BASED BASED BASED
@[email protected] you asked for this!
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It’d make it much easier to weed out transphobes and misogynists, the latter which this site has had a historical issue with.
I think it’s a bad idea but I don’t have the energy to argue.
This really should be the norm. If you look at old phpbb sites and the like generally when you “like” or “find a post helpful” or whatever they call it they will list the users who have liked a post.
This whole anonymous voting thing is again a redditism that lemmy devs need to break free from.
This whole
anonymousvoting thing is again a redditism that lemmy devs need to break free from.i think an old forum like is a bit different from how upvotes work. those were used more sparingly and carried more weight.
R*ddit was truly multiple steps backwards from phpBB forums.
im just praying for the day the lemmy devs decide to ditch the tree view and embrace chaos
I blame the tree view for the reason why Lemmy threads have performance issues relative to old school forum threads and why you can only see a max number of comments. There’s a max number of comments you can see per sorting, so by sorting new and old, you can see double the max number of comments, but there’s still a max number.
I mean phpbb threads are sorted by new and there’s usually also a limit to the number of posts you can see at a time. They’re both views into a database, lemmy just lets you sort the posts differently
Use chat mode
I say Do it, when the admins here did it to ban all the transphobes a year ago it made the site way better, plus i dont think it will reduce votes.
What is the history here? Was this part of the great pronoun struggle session?
No, it was its own thing, the downvote struggle session https://hexbear.net/post/64691, i like to call it the great purge, but the timeline was first admins checked who was down voting trans posts then banned them, then removed downvotes
Was this before required pronouns or after required pronouns? It seems to me that Down Votes only really allow reactionaries to impose their perspective on a conversation without having their perspective ever directly challenged. In some ways, this reminds me of
’s notion of Capitalist Encirclement.In order for Hexbear to develop into a truly inclusive space, it does so under constant siege from the greater reactionary world. Reactionary forces inside Hexbear but also existing on the wider network use a wide range of attacks to stifle Hexbear’s development. Methods of moderation viewed as
or appealing to “populist ideals” by the reactionary must be employed to build a truly inclusive space. Invading the “privacy” of user’s votes to root out TURFS and then disable one of their primary modes of harassment only furthers the Hexbear project.This, I think, could be part of the objection to public votes. There are communities on this network that want nothing to do with the “Marketplace of Ideas” and that’s probably good to a greater degree. Allowing those communities to no longer be passively debated by reactionaries, by allowing the communities users to collectively identify downvote harassment, threatens the liberal notion of
.Since 1993 we’ve been trying to get over the horizon of Eternal September and onwards into Revolutionary October.
It was after the pronouns one because i remember comments being downvoted then, evidence
Ha! I can imagine this is what eventually led to disabling down votes. Each of these measures were definitely valid and justified looking back at them (as someone who wasn’t here when they happened).
alright what kind of political organization we gotta do to remove upbeats from this website
