Without evidence, the Republican vice presidential candidate tried to cast doubt on his opponent’s obvious momentum: “If you talk to insiders in the Kamala Harris campaign, they’re very worried about where they are”

You’ve heard Donald Trump cry “fakenews” too many times to count, and now his running mate is claiming — without evidence — that the media is using “fake polls” to show Vice President Kamala Harris is in the lead in the presidential race.

In an interview on Fox News Sunday, Sen. J.D. Vance alleged that “The media uses fake polls to drive down Republican turnout and to create dissension and conflict with Republican voters.”

  • @[email protected]
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    Trump: See, the polls were wrong! Particularly in the places where my supporters controled the counting process AND refuse to release the final count! Oh, you got those electoral votes thrown out? Too bad the consitution gives the presidency to Republicans if no one reaches 270 electoral votes (one state, one vote)

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    Then I guess we better get more blue voters out to vote. Thanks JD.

  • rhythmisaprancer
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    The Harris Walz campaign needs to call them lists liars in public. Constantly. I don’t see how there isn’t intent and capacity here.

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    So what I’m not understanding, is what happens when they aren’t elected and they remain unable to do basic math.

    They seem to really putting all their eggs into the basket of “numbers are fake, do our bidding” but somehow fail to realize without the numbers they won’t have support?

    Like they really think they have enough weird dudes with too many guns to out gun and out fight the military that is currently under Biden’s control?

    Also, have they accounted for the fact that the number of armed crazies gets even smaller when the crazies realize they don’t get paid for fighting?

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      Like they really think they have enough weird dudes with too many guns to out gun and out fight the military that is currently under Biden’s control?

      That is debatable. Yes, Biden is the CiC. But assuming that the military–which skews conservative (and enlisted people skew very conservative)–is going to follow orders across the board if there’s a genuine civil war is perhaps a bit naive. The US Civil war saw a number of generals and higher-level officers defect to the CAS, and I would expect that we’d see the same kind of thing now.

      My point is, it needs to be an undeniable win for Dems, something so overwhelming that there can’t be any reasonable questions.

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        The military is more liberal than you think. Yeah their area shit heads in every org and a 18 year old private is always going to be stupid and buy that charger and say stupid shit. But the NCO rank and file are not the same old guard from the 80s and the army is making changes to appeal to GenZ to help with recruitment. E.G base name changes and leave requests for family planning, etc. But also Vets that have been down range got to know groups liked the Kurds and are very pissed what Trump did to them.

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          While I would hope so, I’ve known more than a few vets. A few are fairly moderate to liberal, but a whole bunch are MAGAts. Maybe that’s just because I do as many 2-gun competitions as I can, and the MAGAt vet-bros are self-selecting to be there because they didn’t do enough run-and-gun when they were in the military, IDK.

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            yeah I can see that self selecting is to blame. Most of the Vets I know after I got out that are more liberal you can’t even tell they are a Vet. It the people that make the military their core identity. Like the idiots that wear tactical gear and special forces t-shirts. Like the last thing I ever want to see is a plate carrier or ruck again lol. Those combat ball caps they sell at the VA are so cringe it’s worse when they are under the age of 70 wearing them.

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              Like the last thing I ever want to see is a plate carrier or ruck again lol.

              Ha, and I do it for fun. But I think that the plate + carrier loadout I wear in two gun is a lot lighter and less restrictive than the IOTV and full combat load. I also don’t have people shooting at me or have to worry about frag, because 2-gun in fundamentally a game.

              But even most of the vets I’ve known outside of that were generally more conservative than the general population. It could be the area I’m in; I’m in the deep south. But even when I was Illinois, the people that I knew were vets–and not the vet-bro stereotype–trended more conservative than not.

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                lol you do you I guess I’m just not high speed, lol Were they active duty or retired? Also I noticed that Guard skewed more conservative than AD but don’t know why. Honestly i think that might be my dad was republican so I guess I am too but that would align the same with civilian population.

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          I just visited my ex-FiL at the VA hospital and he’s telling people that now that he’s sitting around watching TV, he realizeshr can no longer think of himself as Conservative because he’s liberal as hell relative to MAGAts

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      It’s beautifully counter productive because if they convince their base it’ll be a cake walk GOP turnout will dip.

      Keep denying it JD!

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      Sadly this led to January 6th as the MAGAts “couldn’t believe” that Trump lost. I’d like people to start accepting reality ASAP, ideally, before our next insurrection election.

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      If Trump were still leading, we’d hear how its going to be a Red Wave and he’s going to do 10-pts better than advertised.

      If he’s losing, its cause he’s secretly winning.

      If he’s losing bad, its cause there’s a vast deep state conspiracy and don’t trust the elections its just like Vuvuzela.

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    Such performative masculinity, you can never be the underdog or have nuance.

    Harris is up by a point or two nationally, and that’s not necessarily enough to win. Battleground states are all too close to call. The RCP electoral map is still giving Trump the win granted they tend to be R-biased in their poll aggregation but that is the path to claiming Trump is in the lead.

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      Bureaucracy isn’t something inherently good. I don’t think you’re going to get a lot of people jumping to defendant. It can exist for reasons. I think it would be better put that they want to end democracy rather than bureaucracy. Democracy absolutely tends to lead to some bureaucracies. Whether or not they’re Justified is another question.

      • a quick edit since so many are failing reading comprehension*

      Bureaucracy is a tool it is neither inherently good or bad. Me implying that it wasn’t inherently good. Did not imply that it was inherently bad. It is inherently necessary. But also not something you’re going to get people to Rally around unfortunately. I understand that I seem to have found five or six bureaucrats. Who visit Lemmy and are very upset that people don’t love bureaucrats. There’s nothing I can do about it. Just quit with your straw man.

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        Yeah, that needs to be rephrased: “replace civil servants with sycophants” or “replace subject-matter experts with MAGA idealogues” or something getting at that idea.

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          I never implied that it could or should. It’s more that bureaucracy isn’t something that people are fond of and want to protect. And therefore is bad propaganda wise to around people around. This is all something that you all are misunderstanding and reading into it.

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        Yeah, that should be rephrased somehow. While I’m not sure exactly what was intended for that, part of the platform is to replace the meritocracy (people hired for ability to do their job) with loyalists (people hired solely for loyalty to whoever won) …… for as many as 50,000 positions.

        Generally thenn be policy heads are loyalists and the people who make it happen know what they’re doing

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        Bureaucracy is necessary in a modern, functioning society.

        “Move fast and break things” doesn’t work on the government level (it arguably doesn’t work for tech bros either). We need things like permits and building codes.

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          I agree 100%, that’s why I didn’t say any of the things you are pretending I said. I simply said bureaucracy isn’t something that people like and are going to feel motivated to defend. Even if it is necessary