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nice, yet another company to avoid as either employee or customer
As a customer, why do you care if the employees are wfh or not lol
Because you vote with your money.
As long as those businesses keep receiving money, they will continue these malpractices and damage the market.
Well, nothing should require employees to be in the office five days a week
He is not wrong tho… it’s the company interest vs employee interest. And I must say, as someone who works 100% remotely, sometimes I do wish we are all again at the office. It was so easier to know whats happening around you on the fly, instead of spending half a day in your calendar making or taking meetings.
So you can spending half of the day you save to travel to and from work…smart
In comparison to the non-existing work-life balance in most remote positions where you are basically available 0-24? No thanks. I’d rather travel, the 20min in the morning is perfect to “wake up fully” and in the afternoon to decompress while getting home.
Pfft, I work remote and I only work 8 to 5. Don’t let people boss you around
Nobody bosses me around, I just work until I’m done, and I don’t need to manage my time, because I have all the time in the world working from home. Also, it feels like being in home prison, never seeing anyone you work with. Have the feeling some people exist only on computer screens.
I understand the benefits of working from home, but meeting other people in the office is what made it human to begin with. I miss chatting with people while getting coffee about non-work related stuff. I knew what was going on without needing a meeting or briefing. I could just work in the office on things I needed to work - which made it so I could go home earlier. Now I am just at home all the time, wasting my time in meetings. Idk, I wish it would work for me, but it just doesn’t. I need the social aspect of the office.
Oh yeah, how I miss my co-workers have super sexist and racist conversations in the break-room /s
Not everyone has coworkers like that.
If they are a company for grown ups why is he acting all controlling like an insecure little child instead of trusting in his employees like a brave adult?
The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Working from home is incompatible with his management style
You mean micromanaging… that’s harder to do remotely.
Meh, probably not actually harder to do, but these people crave attention and recognition. If they did it from behind a computer, no one would see how important they are!
I have a hypothesis that anyone who is required to be on site without having to do a hands-on thing (e.g. physical maintenance or repair) is actually a garden hermit, that is, hired to perform as an extra for the pleasure of viewing upper management.
I also have a hypothesis that a lot of company budget and material goes towards handling and pacifying upper management (e.g. the way a binky pacifies an infant) since they are accustomed to being coddled and not accustomed to actually managing.
To be fair, I’ve only been able to observe the relationships between clerical class and management class in a handful of companies, including a small one-store CD-Rom reseller and Bechtel Corporation circa 1990, but my observations have been consistent between them.
This sounds about right to me.
I have a hypothesis that anyone who is required to be on site without having to do a hands-on thing (e.g. physical maintenance or repair) is actually a garden hermit, that is, hired to perform as an extra for the pleasure of viewing upper management.
They’re Type 1 Bullshit Jobs, aka “Flunkies”
Flunky jobs primarily exist to make someone else look or feel important. Throughout recorded history, rich and powerful people would surround themselves with servants, clients, sycophants, and minions of one sort or another.
We had a tremendous office culture in the 1950s. Since then, we have had numerous – very numerous – improvements and innovations in the telecom space, in the office assistant space (think personal digital assistant, or rather all the ubiquitous tools that do what those used to do), and other general improvements which empower significantly enhanced productivity.
To say people still need to be in the office is to say there have been no improvements. The fact is, we can be at home and be more productive than in an office. Anyone who tells you otherwise has ulterior motives.
Company is too invested in real estate? Sounds like an issue that the C-suite caused and that they alone should fix. Middle management needs to feel useful? Maybe they should find a career that actually has a need for their micromanagement instead of forcing other people into an obsolete box to appear useful. Show me a company against remote work, and I’ll show you a company with outdated goals, more outdated methods, and leadership which should be replaced en masse with people from 2024.
WFH is not a new concept, nor restricted to office work. Priya Satia’s book Empire of Guns reports that 2/3rds of company-employed Birmingham blacksmiths in the 1700s worked from home, and were more productive for it.
Nothing I said contradicts that. But it is the case that there are a wide variety of technologies which make WFH even easier than it may have been before.
If people did it before, they should keep doing it. But now, even more people should be able to WFH.
Supporting argument, not counterpoint
One person does what 10 people did in the 50s, these assholes just want control, and companies like this shit for brains, is going to have workers who don’t care and just want a paycheck. He’s not getting cream of the crop with his pouting childish screams. He’ll be irrelevant in a few years.
We had a tremendous office culture in the 1950s.
If you were a middle class white man, sure.
Guess I won’t be buying the CMF Phone after all.
uhhhh…
anyone else totally misinterpret the lede to mean “there’s no reason to go to work at an office” lol?
Yep. Pretty sure the editor knew what they were doing 🙂
It’s like god damn Odysseus and Polyphemus up in here.
Definite “Friday was the name of his horse!” energy here.
“this is a company for adults” says the CEO of a company who slaps “Glyph” lights on knockoff iPhones and calls it innovative. I hate when I see Carl Pei’s smug face pop up every few months. Hey Carl - put a fucking charger in the box. OnePlus is thriving without you.
I won’t buy anything that isn’t stock Android. Sick of never being able to find anything.
Not sure what you’re saying… ru referencing Nothing OS, or Oxygen… or…?
Anything that isn’t a Pixel, pretty much. Every single manufacturer seems to think it’s their duty to replace all the settings screens with their own custom bullshit.
No devices have “stock Android” though. Even the Pixel is a customized version of Android. Vanilla AOSP doesn’t even have a usable phone dialer included with it.
Is there a Lemmy community that focuses on technology, and not things tangentially related to technology companies?
Sounds like you want smart devices, wearables, DIY electronics, home assistant, etc… “Technology” communities are pretty much always about the tech community and not the actual tech itself.
Hey nerds, reply with your lists of cool technology communities.
The communities are very small on Lemmy, I gave search terms to use here and elsewhere instead. Also I just can’t be assed to link them.
Best we can do is Elon Musk spam.
The way this usually works out is you loose all the good employees and you’re left with the dregs who were unable to find another remote position in time.
Ngl, that’s a genius headline
Yeah I was expecting this to be a thought piece in general about companies requiring them be back in office.
I did a double take when I first read it. Then I realized it was, Nothing, the phone company.
I did not even realize until reading this comment that Nothing was a company.
Fuck me.
Nothing will.
Who’s on first?
Excuse for layoff. What I hear from the article is a CEO, who himself is not a grown up, crying me, me, me, my company, my profit, selfish behavior without any concern for his employees who have largely contributed to his startup success.
Humans have a “me” problem in general. The secret is not to create conditions for it to manifest itself.
Anti-monopoly laws, unions, distribution of power, openness, readiness to break nonsense laws, stubbornness in defending important laws, understanding of common sense both in following and in breaking the law, and the same that applies to laws applies to any moral principles.
You know, consciousness of good and evil, wisdom of all the enormous amount of good literature available for anyone able to read in English and other most spoken languages.
Just being human and understanding that no device of human making can “solve” human nature.
I’d say Tolkien and Lewis on the fantasy side, Heinlein and Asimov and Simak on the sci-fi side, and Lem in between them. Some Jules Verne and Sabatini would be good too. I have a reflex to Russian classics due to having been force-fed them in childhood, but there are things worth learning. And Lucian of Samosata.
Carpe diem, memento mori, astra inclinant sed non obligant. OK, I think my head needs a reboot.
When it comes to addressing the “me” problem, Buddha has to be on the list of people with advice worth checking out. Ego issues may run deep, but modern capitalism encourages and nurtures the worst of them. A lot of what we face today isn’t due to any unchangeable human nature, but capitalists will try to persuade us it is, because that undermines our will to grow past the system that serves them.
Thank you, yes, Buddha is.
I also forgot Tao Te Ching.
but modern capitalism encourages and nurtures the worst of them
We-ell, one of the reasons I emotionally hate communism is because I’ve grown in Russia and have deep acquaintance with some things which were being planted just like you describe, but by Soviet education.
An example: someone has a hobbyist project, that project becomes useful for their group, the group (without any participation) takes pride in it as “our” project, then later that someone makes a weak squeal about not even credit, but their own wishes to continue their hobby by their own understanding, the group judges them heavily and makes them repent. In Soviet moralist stories the person with the initiative would be the one to blame for “selfishness”, while their contribution would be considered “as expected” (because they owe the “collective” everything they can do), so the rest of the group who’ve done nothing useful would be “better” (because they don’t have to do anything, just use what belongs to the “collective”) and that person would have to redeem themselves. No irony, no nuance, just this.
“This is a company for grown-ups”.
Says man who makes phones that sparkle and a fidget spinner earbud case.
Look, I can do everything that I do at work from home, except prevent my boss from realizing that some Indian could do my job from his home at a tenth of the price!
People think this. However the people who actually cost 1/10th are absolute garbage. The people who you might want to hire cost 1/2 as much and work for a company that also want to get paid. By the time you get done you’ve paid 80% as much for worse work and are dealing with people in a different time zone, with a language and cultural barrier, and misaligned incentives.
Whereas your people want to get as much done as is reasonable so they can stay employed, move up, get raises, improve their cv yada yada the offshoring firm wants to bill you as much as possible without losing your business.
I wouldn’t be there to say “I told you so” after they realise that 3 years later. So I’m not going to test this for fun.
