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Next will be NT. I think they will put their thing above a Linux somewhere in the next future.
I gather that the nt kernel isn’t inherently bad, rather that the aging win32 subsystem is the problem.
No big deal to me. I use search in control panel to find what I need. Do the same for Settings. Or just open mmc and load the appropriate item.
Muahaha now I can prepare for my final form: crotchety old man complaining about how they killed off the control panel.
Become boomer
I haven’t personally used windows for a long while. I get to fix my wife’s stupid printer, scanner Adobe Acrobat. That’s it. I mean this is great! It means that we can just go on with our lives and automatically not be windows savvy anymore! So many benefits! I can just tell all my tech beneficiaries to take a hike or go Linux because I don’t know how to fix their dumbass windows! This is going to be great!
I’ve been doing that for years. I genuinely do not know how to fix Windows anymore. Took a while for my family and friends to accept since I “work with computers” but now they don’t automatically come to me when Windows breaks.
Oh this is good to know that the strategy works because that’s what I’m planning to do.
It’s a interesting trip through Windows history everytime I need to change an admin setting:
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You need to modify an admin setting (like…setting a MTU for example or changing an IP address (now possible in Settings, but wasn’t for a long time))
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You click through Settings -> Setting not available, but a Link to Control Panel -> click on the Control Panel Link (XP-Era) -> Advanced Settings on the Top-Window (Windows 2000) -> Finally, right click on the Network Adapter and select Properties and you are all the way back to Windows 95/98.
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Same with Powershell: A function or Cmdlet isn’t available? Let’s try this .Net thingy first, before we head to VBS
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Need to manage Sound Devices? Better do that in Control Panel, since most of the useful settings are still missing
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Need to remove a Outlook profile? Control Panel.
Windows is a prime example of inconsistent design, that’s why Device Manager still asks for drivers on a A:\ 3,5" floppy drive.
As an Administrator, I’m curious to see, what will become of Microsoft Management Console (MMC) and their Snap-Ins, which are still required to have by many still supported MS Products and third party tools. The last time I had to edit something in “Component Services” (Windows NT-Era Tool) was 2023.
That’s the kind of user-friendliness that Linux just can’t compete with.
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Good god, this is sad to witness. As long as I’ve been using windows, they’ve added duplicates of every single thing, but presented differently, each version being slightly more incapable in slightly different ways. How can a piece of software be so utterly lacking in design and forethought is beyond me, for real.
Microsoft is so ridiculously out of touch with its users demands.
I think it’s more that they’re indifferent to it’s users all together.
Microsoft:
no. fucking. way.
This clearly calls for Windows God Mode.
Settings itself has been around in one form or another since at least Win95. 29 years…
Is this just for 11, or are they going to ruin 10 some more with this change too?
I’m not seeing it mentioned in the article.Well, 10 is going away in about a year anyway, isn’t it. I don’t think they really care about 10 anymore.
It’s just support that’s going away, not the OS.
I’m staying on 10 until it really doesn’t work, and then moving entirely to Linux. I already don’t use windows much and I’m not missing most of it.
If you insist on using it that long, at least find a good copy of Win 10 LTSC. It’s supported for much longer.
And that’s completely fine. I would advise on a cut-off date of around Oct 15. 2025. Your OS won’t receive any security updates after that and having it connected to internet at that point is going to be a major risk.
You have more than a year to prepare, though. Use it wisely. :)
I personally think the risk of not receiving updates is pretty overstated. I’m more concerned with when applications stop supporting it - which normally happens because libraries stop supporting it.
Well. When the OS stops receiving updates there’s a whole lot of stuff that stops receiving updates (much of which is the libraries that are being updated with the OS).
Using Windows 10 past the cut-off date is perfectly possible but more and more of the security of your device (and, as it’ll be connected to the internet, all other unpatched devices) will be on you, rather than a large company (or a collective of really smart people).
Very recently a 0-click vulnerability was discovered where all you needed in order to be attacked is having IPv6 enabled.
If you don’t have security updates you are at risk of these attacks, even if you don’t click on suspicious links or download random apps.
Just 3 days ago I had to use the control panel to access the settings I needed to get my parents’ printer to work right. Even tried to use the regular settings menu for maybe 10 minutes before remembering how to access the settings I needed. Here’s hoping my parents never run into printer issues again (lol).
FUCK YOU, MICROSOFT!
I had to do this today on my wife’s laptop. The settings menu just wouldn’t do it. It just sat there for a thousand years.
Spoiler: they will, because fucking printers
In fact, they are going to remove third-party printer drivers and replace them with universal drivers. Link
Printers are fortunately “plug and play” on Linux.
Connect printer to the network. Hit the print button. Select printer from the dropdown. Boom. Done.
It’s nothing to do with printers, this is a uniquely Windows problem (and maybe Mac, I have no idea).
Yeah I see this as more of a “Printers are an antiquated technology that hasn’t changed much in the last 30+ years” problem.
I recently added a printer to my PC. Having to launch that antique spooler window from like Windows 3.1 to print is a bit hilarious
I’m not sure what to say. Settings just doesn’t let you get anything done. Are they going to add all the missing functionality to settings before getting rid of control panel? We all know the answer.
If my company didn’t have a windows mandate I would fully abandon it at this point. What a joke.
I’m curious about how this impacts the buttons in the settings app that just open the appropriate control panel applet. Like “additional sound settings” for example.
Yup. I have 1 app that requires window. That’s all that’s keeping me. That one app. And we’re migrating away from it towards a webif, so it’s only a matter of time.
That’s fine, I can’t imagine using another version of Windows once 10 LTSC hits EoL.
The thing that bugs me the most about Settings is the amount of wasted white space on every page. You have to do so much scrolling and clicking through tabs just to find various options. By comparison the dialogue boxes of the Control Panel apps are compact and concise. Every time I have to scroll down for something in Settings, I wonder why there’s so much empty space padding around everything.
You’d think a multi billion dollar corporation could afford a decent UI designer or two.
They could, but as with Google, the middle managers have to justify their existence somehow.
They used to have people who knew what they were doing: https://socket3.wordpress.com/2018/02/03/designing-windows-95s-user-interface/
Now their UI team seems to just be two guys shitting in a bucket (shamelessly stealing that expression from KiraTV).
Thanks for sharing that post, it was super interesting.
I wish I could see behind the scenes in the Windows UI discussions, to see how we get to what we have today
UI designers have had a war on information density for a loooooong time.
UI designers are paid off by big hand surgeon to make me scroll more
