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I’ve been watching JPEGs uninterrupted for ages.
with my garbage connection it’s still a reality for me
It’s logical if you’re the user.
Imagine how for every one user doing this deliberately there are nine who pause a video and forget it in the background, wasting bandwidth in the process.
Is bandwith that expensive nowadays? I feel the argument is valid but was implemented when bandwidth was way more expensive.
I mean, if I upgrade my home internet box to the 40€ tier I’ll have 10Gb symmetrical.
Edit: there are a lot of google fanbois here lol
Like others mentioned - yes, I mean the bandwidth from the perspective of the one providing the service. For the same bandwidth that someone watched 10% of a video, paused it and never watched the remaining 90%, you can show those same 90% to someone else who’d actually watch it. That’s without counting the small overheads here and there, but hopefully you get the idea.
Well, if they didn’t push trash with their algorithms, maybe people would finish more videos.
Tell this to them, not to me. Moreover I’m not talking about a specific site but rather about the general technical implications you’d have if you’re hosting something.
That 10Gb link is almost certainly oversubscribed, though. You don’t actually have 10 Gb of dedicated constant bandwidth, you just have access to 10Gb of potential bandwidth. You’re unlikely to saturate that link very often, so you won’t notice, but it’s shared with other people.
It’s different from Google or any other company paying for bandwidth that’s being actually used, not just a pre-allocated link like your home internet.
Yes.
It’s not that bandwidth is incredibly expensive, it’s more that it’s a limited resource, videos are huge, and there’s a gajillion users.
It’s not about your bandwidth, it’s about YouTube’s bandwidth. You probably don’t care, but for them it adds up to a lot
I just showed how inexpensive it has become.
Do you think I think I’m youtube??
You showed your home bandwidth. It means absolutely nothing in this discussion.
How often do people watch the first few seconds of a video and not finish it? It happens a lot. It probably happens a lot more often than that user actually finishing it. We could be talking about doubling Google’s bandwidth requirement. Not to mention server CPU time, disk I/O. Do you have any idea how expensive the operational costs of YouTube probably are as it is? This is an efficiency game to successfully run a video platform which supports up to high bitrate 4k video at this unfathomable scale, servicing the entire planet.
It makes the most efficient sense for them to only let you buffer a little bit at a time, not more than you need.
I’m not kissing Google’s ass. I’m just pointing out that if you want the service to exist, it has to be designed as efficiently as possible, otherwise it won’t exist for long.
Man ive got like 8 tabs right now with paused videos cause I cant focus on shit
Modern ABRs are actually quite sophisticated, and in most cases you’re unlikely to notice the forward buffer limit. Unstable connection scenarios are going to be the exception where it breaks down.
For best user experience it’s of course good practice to offer media offlining alongside on demand, but some platforms consider it a money-making opportunity to gate this behind a subscription fee.
My internet is intermittently like 100mbps and 256kbps. It sees the 100mbps and acts like it’s going to be that way forever, so doesn’t buffer the whole video while it has the fast speed, then drops entirely when it slows down.
An ABR is generally going to make an estimate based on observed bandwidth and select an appropriate bitrate for that. It’s not out of the question that you run out of forward buffer when your bandwidth takes a nosedive, because the high bitrate video is heavy as all hell and the ABR needs to have observed the drop in bandwidth before it reconsiders and selects a lower bitrate track.
I’m not familiar with ABRs affecting the size of the forward buffer, most commonly these are tweaked based on the type of use-case and scaled in seconds of media.
If that were true then users wouldn’t hate and complain about it. This post existing is proof that it’s shit because clearly it’s not as seamless as you’re making it out to be.
The thing is that you can’t notice when it’s working on account of how seamless it is. Yes, sometimes it breaks down, but these are the exceptional cases.
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And then there is youtube which just discards the whole buffer content each time an ad plays. Very sophisticated. Although knowing google that behavoir is likely on purpose
I’ve been running adblockers since the beginning of time so I can’t speak to this behavior. Spontaneously it seems a bit amateurish, though.
They do that to punish people with slow internet. Use yt-dlp instead
What I did was open 4 videos and go to the next tab when one started buffering
I used to be able to load up a bunch of videos in different tabs. Close the laptop and drive into the bush to watch shit and smoke a joint.
This was the way!
Fuck that sounds amazing, I so miss weed
What’s stopping you?
My job. Random piss and yearly follicles, just not worth the stress of trying to pass that shit.
Jesus. Even before the legalisation here in Germany, I’ve not had a job demanding these drug tests. Here’s to hoping that the rest of the US follows suit
It won’t. This place is fucking doomed, the evangelicals are taking over.
I wanna go back to the wild west days of the internet where no one ever got banned for trolling or shitposting.
The censorship gestapo has started to ban shitposters from shitposting subs here on lemmy. That’s how oversensitive everyone is now
In the “wild west” days there was a certain “terrorists handbook” circulating with detailed instructions on how to make all sorts of things.
I’m very happy that sort of thing isn’t easily available to everyone anymore.
Trolling then and “trolling” now are just not the same. The meaning behind the word has evolved to mean something malicious. Trolling back then meant more like a practical joke. Like telling a noob alt+f4 will give them buffs in a game.
But you’re trying to compare a time where the internet had few million of users rather than a few billion ones.
Oh, and people got banned ALL THE TIME before too. I don’t know if you remember mud’s or IIRC. But I do. Banning annoying people was very common. Certainly ain’t nothing new. Behave or gtfo.
You can still readily do the old school trolling without repercussions as well. So I don’t get the nostalgia either.
https://archive.org/details/the-anarchist-cookbook-william-powell
The internet still has the data, it’s just more organized now.
Been a very long time since I’ve seen this in digital form. I really thought it would be more difficult to find this these days.
Thought I didn’t really look for it either I suppose.
I remember when I first ran into this. It was on a BBS. It felt like forbidden knowledge. It felt like this was a big secret.
But now that I’m not an edgy teenager anymore, I realize it’s just a library book. The trouble with getting older, is you learn how to organize the world so it feels smaller
I can’t exactly say I’ve seen it in my local library. I remember this being circulated and just really hoped that the idiots in my class wouldn’t blow their hands off.
That information is exactly as easy to get as it was then. It’s always taken just a bit of curiosity and a touch of internet know-how
In the “wild west” days there was a certain “terrorists handbook” circulating with detailed instructions on how to make all sorts of things.
Do you mean the anarchist’s cookbook or the CIA field manual? Because both are still quite accessible.
Sounds like someone wants to openly use bigoted language without repercussions on privately-owned social media platforms.
Right?
bigoted language
Censor a bigot one day, censor someone with something important to say the next day
The repercussions come from the choices of those who hear/see th.e bigotry.
Let them shout and announce themselves so they can be known.
The problem is culture changed. How far people were willing to push it 10xed and 100xed. I’ve been on free speech forums like Voat, then Ruqqus. But people are just too nasty to behave, and then not enough “normies” come to drown them out. You’re left with a hate fueled, self censoring circlejerk.
(Same applies to allowing full shitpost ability on larger sites, just in smaller corners)
Lemmy Rule 1) No joking around about communism.
I’m about to back to mirc and see if there’s anything left there.
a/s/l?
16/f/cali 🗿🗿🗿
You’re still allowed to call them names like ‘shitposter’?
If you’re on Windows download potplayer and copy video links to one in potplayer
If you wait potplayer will buffer the entire video or a good chunk of it
I used to queue videos up the night before, then be able to watch them on the ride to school. Then one day you couldn’t do that anymore.
It took like an hour for an image of the Ultra 64 (N64) controller to load on my screen from the reveal in Japan. I remember waiting as each line of the image would slowly appear on a grey scale laptop screen over dial up. My eleven year old mind was blown, worth it.
There use to be a feature in Internet Explorer where you could download a local copy of a webpage and specify how many links deep you wanted it to go. It maxed out at 5, which would grab the entirety of any fansite I pointed it at.
Yep. They want you to buy premium and download them now
Aren’t there some like open source extension for this now?
On Android you can use Newpipe instead, it allows you to download them.
I thought the connection I was on before was pathetic dog shit (moved rural and went from 1g to 100mbps up/down at both) and the only issues I ever had was specifically peacock because that app is designed to work just poorly enough that I’ll struggle with it
Literally haven’t thought about video buffering since like… 2014, 2013? Unless of course my Internet drops out. And that includes on mobile devices
I shudder to think what y’all are running on
The secret is that 90% of the time for 90% of people, the current method of “just in time” buffering works as good or better. Especially if you’re on your phone you don’t want to be paying for buffering data far into the future.
But the 10% of the time that it DOESN’T work when it usually does, really sticks in your brain so everyone has the experience of it not working now.
Just download the video then.
Youtube stop doing this because people would pause a Multi-Hour long video (such as a music video) download the entire thing, only to then only watch 15 minutes of it because that’s the bit they wanted. Massive waste of bandwidth
Multi-hour long music videos? What?
People stitch together what is essentially a play list of music videos because YouTube’s actual playlist feature kinda sucks. Has something to do with longer videos, engagement and ad revenue too but I’m not privy to that Eldritch knowledge.
Beethoven’s 7th symphony, the music video.
🤟🔥
Compilations exist.
I guess. I don’t know why anyone would watch a 2 hour compilation for 3 videos though.
“Lo-fi beats to study to”
Lots of people just need filler music while doing something for several hours, yt playlists are ass, picking a new song every 2-9 minites is quite disruptive, and any form of autoplay will eventually dump you in alt-right politics.
You’ve never seen a Video DJ mix before? They can go on for several hours and have more than just 3 songs—usually a dozen or more—all mixed seamlessly into one continuous mix with no gaps between songs. And if the person who made the mix is a real DJ, the songs are also BPM- and Key-matched with each other, which sounds absolutely amazing when done right. It’s one of the better ways to enjoy music.
Now after the second commercial I hit a youtube downloader from a European vpn. I still download it all just to watch what I want.
Why European VPN?
Fun fact: if you bypass DPI in Russia, ypu can watch youtube without ads. Because youtube temproary disabled them.
Fun fact: with Firefox and uBlock Origin you can watch YouTube without ads.
And you can do it on mobile too.
Don’t they inject ads in videos now?
Haven’t seen any ads so far.
What’s going on with YouTube video downloading? Any route I take to try to download, it only gives me the option of 1080p video only and a different option for audio only. I’ve recently downloaded a couple of videos my kids watch for offline use and I had to put the downloaded files into a video editor to combine the audio and video myself.
Here’s one video I wanted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O2g3Ql3nRU
I wrote a Python tool that does it for you. It’s because of the newer dash/ adaptive bit rate formats. Just hit the checkbox to combine afterwards. https://codeberg.org/ArtisanByteCrafter/pytube-gui
That’s amazing. Thanks.
If you ever find yourself combining audio and video again, check out mkvtoolnix. In this situation, a video editor is overkill and potentially transcodes the audio or video, taking an hour. This tool is basically winzip for video files, it lets you swap audio and video tracks around in a few seconds.
Champion.
Yeah I used Kdenlive and did need to transcoded the whole thing.
Fuckn sweeet
Neat
Yes can use Seal (GitHub/F-droid) on Android or yt-dlp on a PC to download a video in any resolution with audio
Thanks. I’ll check out Seal.
If only there were some middle ground between multi-hours and 30 seconds.
Seriously, load the next 15 minutes, then start loading that when it plays those 15 minutes
Wow, this guy solved the problem just like that. It is almost like there must be some other reason they did this other than what they say.
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What do you mean “waste of bandwidth”? We’re paying for that through government subsidies and selling our personal data. Are you seriously defending a corporation that made $250 billion last year in ad revenue alone?
This is a weird point. Like yes, Google is a government subsidized monopoly. But to keep this feature is a massive waste of resources.
Like from a tech perspective, this should not be done. Like fuck Google can be a thing and will have no impact on that
People hate corporations so much that they forget some times they do make smart choices. That bandwidth doesn’t just exist from nothing, it’s electricity being moved around. The environmental impact, even as infinitesimal as it may be, isn’t worth the convenience imo
The hypocrisy of this when they’re chugging power for AI…
Defending no explaining yes.
Need to chill out not everything you do not understand needs to be an argument.
Oh no, google lost .3cents of bandwidth. the horror.
Even if it was 3 cents in bandwidth (it’s not), that’s 1.3 billion dollars in additional costs. You want more ads to pay for that?
And thats probably a rounding error in googles costs.
For a much more usable, enjoyable experience.
That you’re arguing against, because wont someone think of poor googles downtrodden finances.
Billion dollar costs aren’t rounding errors even at YouTube/Google’s scale. They’re a measurable percentage of total revenue. I agree that it slightly improves the user experience, it’s hard to imagine a worse cost/benefit tradeoff from an engineering perspective even at more realistic costs. It’s especially hard to justify when there’s an easy alternative for users in the form of downloading videos.
The amount of times my video brings unplayable even though it has a few minutes buffered is too damn high. Almost all the times my video gets stuck, is that scenario. Not to say it happens all the time.
Also clicking on some previous segment and NOT having the video load again. Idle for too long and the video unloads.
And clears manuallly set quality settings back to auto.
And now you get a bonus ad when you skip back too!
That shit infuriates me. I sometimes get distracted, skip back like 30 seconds, and get 30 seconds of unskippable ads. Fuck me.
You might want to look into Youtube Revanced or Newpipe.
Or grayjay or Firefox with ublock origin
Letting the entire video buffer is the same as downloading the entire video which you can still do. My favourite tool is yt-dlp
It’s a pretty great tool. Downloaded the entirety of Murder Drones on Saturday to add to my Plex server. Strictly for preservation, going to re-watch on YouTube to support them
Beat me to it (by several hours).
I’m not watching on YouTube. If I want to watch, I’ll download it first. yt-dlp on the desktop, seal (yt-dlp underneath) on android.
Edit: Big finger problems
Wow, Seal is very much improved since I last looked at it. It has a million options, and custom commands and everything.
You can also setup a script to automatically download a channels latest vid so you don’t need to check the website anymore.
fun fact: according to sponsorblock, youtube is testing ads that are baked serverside into the video. so one day even downloading might not be ad free
They will never be able to block me just using the mouse to skip forward. If its already downloaded theres zero buffer lag.
I will create another step that converts the format to an open one if they somehow block that too.
Its an accessibility thing for me. Ads literally cause me harm. They cannot possibly win me over i’ll just end up doing something productive instead.
Download the video twice and only play the common parts.
It will be detectable as per US law. Ads must be marked.
For now you can use vpns to certain countries that don’t have ads at all, I expect that will still work to avoid server side ads.
It sucks for livestreams on youtube too, since it only starts downloading the next chunk of video when it’s almost done playing through the current chunk and if you experience a hiccup, then youtube’s solution is to send you back in the livestream (amount depends on latency setting of the streamer) so instead of getting a nice live stream, you could be going back as far as around 20 seconds in the past, so if you want to participate then you’re going to be that slow on your reaction. Instead of waiting for the full 5 seconds of the buffer to play through before downloading the next chunk, I wish they’d query for the next chunk before then and not only that, but if there’s a hiccup, don’t send the stream back by so much, because also if you fall too far behind then it skips ahead. It’s all over the place.
When it does that I usually set the speed to x2 to catch up. I’m surprised that setting is still there, I don’t know of any other use for it in a live stream
