Seriously, couldn’t they just extend the tube a bit so it overhangs the exhaust pipe???
Shouldn’t the process be like:
- Build five
- Drive them around as your own bikes for a while
- Keep replacing the ones you’re using with the latest iteration
I mean, a lawyer’s gonna disallow that I’m pretty sure but that’s how we’d be designing new bikes at DaVinci Crater if I were over there. I’ll stay on the low sec roads, I know it needs major design certification before anyone can take it on the nice roads
Should be, but prototyping and making one offs is expensive, maybe even 100x the cost of mass production per unit, so they will of course be looking to do the minimal amount possible
Well the problem with that is when you lay the bike down, the oil port gets shaved off and you lose all your oil. Don’t ask me how I know.
So yeah, it’s a PITA to use a funnel, but it’s still the preferable option.
I’m not a motorbike person, but couldn’t they sell a 50 cent plastic thingy you could screw on instead of the cap that would make it go into some container even?
Plastic would be a bad idea, but there’s a company called Fumoto that makes a ball valve replacement for the drain pan plug that has a hose barb on the end.
I can’t recommend them enough.
That’s just asshole design with extra asshole.
The entire comment section seems to be missing this is assholedesign and offering the same shitty solutions without addressing the asshole design…
The operating procedure of the internet
- Scan feed
- Find post where I can ridicule OP in some way
- Engage
Honestly they sound like asshole engineers trying to justify their poor quality of work. Cardboard, tinfoil, and brake cleaner can’t excuse a poor design.
At least the foil idea was someone who has to deal with a similar problem on a different bike.
Make the exhaust curve back a bit? More expensive to make the part than having a straight pipe with just one bend.
Dent the exhaust? Affect flow, create hot spot right under the oil drain plug.
Expect people to be intelligent enough to put some cardboard or foil under the plug so they don’t spill oil on the exhaust? Idiots are complaining and posting their failure on the internet and blaming you.
Extend the length of the drain plug by 1cm? Something something, profit.
I personally don’t want any part of the engine casing sticking out during a crash, but maybe that’s just me.
This section isn’t on an easy to replace cover.
You can plainly see that there’s plenty of other material sticking out much further than any 1cm extension. If you were in a crash that ate through all that material first, I’m sure the engine casing would be the least of your worries.
How is someone expected to already know the oil drainage out of all things is asshole design?
Dude, the plug is right above the exhaust, you need to be an idiot not to realize what’s going to happen
You need to notice it first how are you going to know what to look for?
Notice what? That the plug you’re currently unscrewing is right above the exhaust?
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Does Lemmy have a “just rolled into the shop”? I would join instantly.
Bump cause I’m also interested
No, this is not asshole design. If the oil port was sticking further out, it’s gets knocked off if you lay the bike down. And then you have no oil at all, and a blown up motor.
It’s by good design the oil port is recessed. Yes it’s annoying to use a funnel, but it’s the preferable option.
?? Oil port would only need to be extended by like 0.5" to clear that exhaust pipe, the casing to the left extends probably 1-2" from that. If you lay the bike down it that casing would stop the oil port from being touched. Shouldn’t be an issue.
I had an '85 Dodge Omni GLH (turbo) where that had the oil drain plug directly over a cross member. I don’t know if that was standard in the Omni or added for the GLH but when you drained the oil it just went everywhere. My oil drain pan wasn’t big enough to catch it all. I stopped doing my own oil changes on that car.
Wow that sounds like a real fun time.
A lot of bad can be said about Harleys but I love that my 48 just has a little rubber hose with a plug in it to drain the oil.
I assumed that it just fell out the engine naturally.
Older ones for sure. Won’t even have a drain plug.
Keeps the exhaust pipe from rusting. /s
keeps the exhaust lubricated so it doesn’t seize up.
I knew it was good for something My indicators siezed up just last week, shoulda replaced the fluid.
Not always hot obviously
But they saved so much money by having it this short!!!
If they made the spout longer, people would complain that they hit it with their shoes while riding. Or complain that it limits their ability to put on aftermarket pipes. Or some other issue that might be caused by it being longer. It is all about trade-offs.
Of all the options, I think dealing with a little oil on the pipes every 3000 miles or so is reasonable, especially since a piece of tin foil would solve the problem.
That would cost $0.76 more in materials per vehicle, unacceptable!
The engineering team that designed the engine never communicated with the engineering team that designed the motorcycle.
Super duke is like this too I just put aluminum foil over the exhaust.
What does that do?
Keeps ‘THEM’ from reading the exhaust pipe’s mind.
Keeps oil from getting on the exhaust.
What’s the big deal just spray some degreaser on it then take it for a big rip
It just works.
Sh.itjust.works represent
Problems such as these are usually a management failure. The design of individual components are often owned by a particular person or small group. They take responsibility for the design and testing. If one person owns the sump and another person owns the exhaust pipe, their work needs to be coordinated in such a way that the finished product meets all its goals. It wouldn’t be a surprise to find out that the exhaust engineer had to re-route the pipe in order to resolve some other clash and they ran out of time to fix the new problem before mass production had to start. Making complex machinery is difficult.
