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I see no problems.
Why?
They were going to do some pve bullshit and that was literally the only justification they had for making overwatch 2 to begin with instead of just expanding on overwatch 1 and then they were like “yeah we’re not doing that pve thing” so yea
Full disclaimer: I fell off Overwatch years ago, so this is just stuff I’ve picked up reading general game news, so I’m sure others will be more in-tune with what’s up but here’s an overview, at least:
So first off OW2 as a thing was always kind of bizarre. When it was a battle(dot)net exclusive, it was free if you owned 1, and straight-up automatically replaced OW1 in your library. It behaved like an update would for any other game, and that’s because it kinda just was a big update to the game. Naturally there’s some back and forth about if the gameplay changes are good or not, but the big issue is monetization.
So, when OW1 came out, they explicitly said that all content updates (basically things other than skins) would be free, including new characters, maps, etc. However, since OW2 was a “new” game, there was no risk of legal issues around false advertising if they were to start charging for new characters, which is exactly what they did. New characters now had to be unlocked via the battle pass (or purchased individually, I assume) in order to be playable, which obviously rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. (I vaguely remember this maybe being walked back to some degree after backlash, but I’m not sure one way or the other).
And all of this comes as Activision/Blizzard is going through a genuinely horrific series of scandals around workplace conditions. Like, there’s genuinely too much to list here but famously, one of the OW characters was renamed since he was originally named after an employee who turned out to be a huge sexual abuser. There’s report after report coming out on an almost daily basis, and it’s abundantly clear that management (including infamous shitbag CEO Bobby Kotik) are intentionally trying to cover things up. Genuinely mind-boggling. At this point, it also becomes abundantly clear that ActiBlizz management is using OW as a distraction from the negative press they’re getting, regularly announcing new updates or “progressive” (big air quotes due to the extreme cynical corporate nature) character details within hours of major scandals breaking.
So you’ve got all that on top of the usual toxicity that tends to form around competitive games if left unchecked. It’s kind of a mess.
New characters are free. You just have to hit level 45 or 55 (I don’t remember, I haven’t played in awhile).
Or if you plop 10 bucks down on battle pass you get it immediately.
People overreact about the character thing. You can’t even use them in comp for a few weeks after they launch, but have access in training area to at least get a feel for it
If I had to guess it’s the microtransactions designed to squeeze every cent from their players. This game has an insane cost and it’s not just cosmetics. They lock characters behind microtransactions. I bought overwatch one, they ended it, and have me Overwatch 2: athe Money Grab!
Not to mention if you bought Overwatch 1 they removed the entire game. It’s just gone. I liked the first one but greed killed the game.
wait they just removed the game?? like no one can play it anymore?
The OW1 client is gone, but Blizz migrated most things to OW2. The exceptions were the team size (changed from 6v6 to 5v5) and 1 match type (1 type dropped with 2 new types added). Collectibles and anything that could be purchased was also migrated from 1 to 2.
Correct. OW2 is basically bolted on top of OW1, so OW1 doesn’t exist anymore.
OW2 is OW1. They just added a couple maps, removed some maps, took away a tank, and filled it full of grind and micro transactions. Absolutely no reason for “2”.
Think they had to cuz they “promised” not to charge for heroes.
They wanted to, and that required a “2”.
Yes absolutely. It’s just a realy big patch with some reworks. Honestly I realy don’t know what took them so long to finish it.
Its true that 1-2 of the new hero’s in the past could be unlocked instantly with money but apart from that you don’t need to spend a cent
Sure but you can just as easily spend zero cents in other games and get 10x the content.
I tried the game during the recent DnD event last month after a couple years away. Hadn’t played since loot boxes were still a thing, where I was literally playing daily since release. Stopped because the player base was becoming almost as toxic as LoL. Also, the overnight nerfing made things so different that I couldn’t use my mains effectively anymore.
My experience with the new game? It’s a great wait in line simulator with a terrible deathmatch game getting in the way!
- Join a queue
- Wait at least 5-10 minutes for a match to open up.
- Match ends 1 minute later, my team loses
- Everyone leaves match, I’m kicked back to lobby
- Rejoin queue…
This is fun?
Game’s dead right now.
They just invited steam users to the funeral.
Oh
So pretty much standard blizzard now
Activizzard
oh yeah they also abandoned the first game that was already good to make a campaign then cancelled the campaign at the last second and nobody can play the first one anymore.
I’m out of the loop, I thought it was already out due to them cutting out the PvE content.
It’s been out for a bit, but they just launched it on Steam as well. Was formerly just via Battle.net.
Launch on Steam
“critically acclaimed” yeah acclaimed to be shit
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I’m not fan of this game, but this is an obvious review bomb and IMO makes people look silly
I’ve played around 1000h of OW2 alone and I’ve since given up on the game and would give it an honestly negative review.
It’s a shadow of its former self, unbalanced, full of toxic players, and full of predatory MTX and pay to win unless you grind obscene amounts (it was not having a battle pass that made me quit, having run out of the coins I’d earned and been given for stupidly preordering OW2 - the time sink to get a single skin is ridiculous).
1/3 games you have to deal with other players being racist, homophonic, antisemitic, and just generally abusive. This was so much less of an issue in OW1 I can only assume the influx of free players paired with brain drain at Blizzard has caused this and there’s no sign of improvement.
While I agree with a lot of what you said, how is it in any way pay to win? You can carry and win a match with any hero.
I’d also say it’s in a fairly balanced state at the moment. I’ve seen way worse metas over the years…like GOATS or double shields
Ok but is this a freah review after playing it on Steam? So you do this with all games? Carrying your grudge from platform to platform to make sure it’s thoroughly shit on?
Mate, it’s literally the same game that’s been out for almost a year. There’s nothing fresh to review, and the only platform it was on before didn’t allow reviews. It was incomplete shit then, it’s incomplete shit now, so it’s getting exactly what it deserves.
It’s been out a lot longer than that, everyone knows it’s just 1.5, I still think it’s unethical to review on a platform you haven’t played
My dude, its the same platform. Its the battle.net launcher. Now you can just buy it through steam and launch battle.net from steam without just adding it as a “non steam game”.
The reviews are 100% valid. Hows it devalidate a users gameplay experience becuase the battle.net app launches from steam all of a sudden?
I launch my battle.net client from steam for all my battle.net games via “adding non-steam game”.
How is that unethical in any manor?
Its identical to the game on Battle.net its THE EXACT SAME GAME. He has played it. Just because he didn’t launch it through steam doesn’t mean he didn’t play it.
Do you buy something at the grocery store and not like it? So you then go onto walmart.com, amazon, bestbuy.com, etc etc etc and review it on each? IMO it’s a retty waste of your time and your voice. Move on.
If it’s shitty enough, yes. I’ll go to reddit or kbin or wherever and tell people it’s shit. That’s what reviews are man.
It’s the same game with the same microtransactions and the same community and the same devs. It’s totally valid to leave your negative review on Steam. Nothing he said is fixed by launching the game through steam, lol.
Might as well take your game grudges to the grave
Dude it’s literally the exact same game, with a different launcher.
Any complaints from within the past few months are still entirely valid. This isn’t a review bomb in a sense of a brand new game comes out and people shit all over it because the dev said or did something stupid. This is people finally giving feedback they’ve wanted to give for awhile, but couldn’t give in official channels until now.
I really don’t think you’re grasping what’s happening here. This is not a new game. No development went into making it available on steam. When you open it in steam, it opens the battle.net launcher. It is literally the same game.
Imagine there’s a food truck around your neighborhood that has given people food poisoning and is known for having poor quality. Now imagine they move the truck to an adjacent neighborhood. Does that change anything about it? Are people’s complaints about the truck suddenly invalid? Should they just get over it and stop holding a grudge?
Poison… yeah totally valid comparison. Not exaggerated at all.
Ok, change food poisoning to just bad tasting. What about my analogy changes?
You either have realized you’re wrong and are grasping at straws to pretend otherwise, or you’re just an idiot. So which is it?
If a game is able to get 1000 hours of engagement isn’t it actually pretty good? I don’t have a game I’ve put that many hours into.
Did something drastically change X hours into Overwatch 2 that changed it from a game that could be played for that many hours into a not recommend?
You can lose 1000h to heroin too and I’m sure many recovering addicts wouldn’t give it a good review.
What changed was when I realized the experience for non-battle pass holders when I finally ran out of coins to buy it since I got a load by preordering and earned a few coins playing with the battle pass.
Without it, the game is a grind with little reward and skins can be €20. And when others have the latest hero that you have to grind for a month playing several hours a day to get, it’s incredibly predatory.
Shit game getting shit reviews. That’s literally the system doing its job.
No one should be reviewing a game 2h after release
Overwatch 2/Initial release date October 4, 2022
a few hours after launch
It’s been out for a while now, this is just the steam release
I understand that
Then what’s your point lol
Loool
The game has been out for quite some time now. It’s only just arrived on Steam. Battle.net had no way to post game reviews, so now everyone is giving their opinion since they have the platform.
Just because the game is new on steam, it doesn’t mean the game is actually new. People finally have the ability to let Blizzard know what they actually think, and they’re doing just that.
All new releases get scores that don’t reflect what people actually think of the game.
That being said, mostly negative does seem to line up with what people think of the game from what I’ve heard…
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I feel like games from alternate launchers that launch on steam do so as a last ditch effort.
Baldur’s Gate 3 does this and I’d hardly say that applies lol
Balders gate 3 was always on steam though
I think it’s more just getting ready the MS deal to finalise as MS have commited to make sure all their stuff is available on Steam. Wouldn’t surprise me if we see Diablo 4 soon too.
Hopefully this doesn’t stop valve from continuing to push for Linux compatibility
Doubt it given what a success the Deck has been.
Unlikely. Microsoft is now first and foremost a cloud provider and has been putting a lot of time and effort into their own Linux offerings, and desktop Windows just isn’t the hypercritical lynchpin for their bottom line that it used to be.
MS have commited to make sure all their stuff is available on Steam
Remember Games for Windows Live?
Yeah, it was a disaster, but to be fair to them, they were trying to bring in stone stuff that’s now standard like PC/Console crossplay and play anywhere on one purchase.
This is good for Linux users. Valve has been fantastic for supporting games on Linux since the Steam Deck and Blizz has never had proper Linux support. Now Linux users can ditch Lutris, Bottles, or WINE if they want to just simplify and use Steam, which does have a native Linux build.
Valve has been amazing for linux long before the Steam Deck. They have been putting in a huge amount of work and support for Linux when they launched the ill fated Steam Machines. Back when MS was looking to force 3rd party stores out of the Windows ecosystem.
I see what you’re saying, but Steam Machines came out in 2015 and was more a push for native Linux support. IMO, Proton was the paradigm shift where native support immediately started mattering less and that came out in 2018
Does OW2’s anticheat support Linux?
Always has. Overwatch has been a great game for Linux and I played it regularly up until OW2 came out and shit all over the franchise with its stupid battle pass and F2P.
Now I only play occasionally as it’s still a fun experience with the right people, but I don’t play solo anymore. The progression is completely ruined since it’s locked behind BP. I used to buy the limited time skins every once in a while to support what I believed to be a very fair monetization system, but they’re not getting a cent for OW2 from me. Complete trash.
I actually did like most of the gameplay changes they did for ow2. They managed to save a lot of stuff they managed to fuck up in ow1. Ow1 was good a few years ago, but got worse from patch to patch. Their monetizing system sucks obviously. I think they had a massive problem with declining player rates (because they fucked up the gameplay) and making it F2P was their way of gaining a bigger player base. But now they have to monetize everything to acctually make money from their players. So gameplay got better, everything else got way worse.
Overwatch has anticheat?
It works with wine. I expect it would work with proton too.
Yes, just battle.net that made things complicated
For most games it’s not viable to stay exclusive away from steam forever. I feel like most alternative platforms are going this way with temporary exclusivity because it’s still more profitable than being on steam from release.
A few months with a 100% revenue share with less sales down to 30% will always beat 30% forever, especially when that 2nd launch brings a massive wave of sales because Steam also likes to market bringing big releases to it’s platform
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Sometimes it does work great. I imagine Apex Legends would be dying or dead of it hadn’t moved to Steam. The increased playerbase was a huge boon to the game
I think apex moved to steam bc ea killed origin.
Ah well in that case, it’d certainly be dead if it hadn’t moved
Actually they replaced it with “EA App” last year. I’m pissed because the replacement for Origin doesn’t open The Sims 3 properly when using Create a World, so it thinks I’m just launching the game normally and doesn’t go in the correct mode to edit my world.
I’m just thankful it’s come to steam and easier to launch on steam deck/Linux
Same. Blizz games are the only things missing on my steam deck. It just much better than having to do jank workarounds or having to deal with their launchers.
The game has currently over 70000 players online (source: Steam Charts)
I know its not THAT big of a number for such a well known brand, but its still a big number. When will Blizzard fans learn that review bombing ain’t gonna do anything if they still play the game and pay for their stuff? We’ve been doing that for years now…
When will Blizzard fans learn
I mean, they play products released by Blizzard/Activision, so I doubt much learning will take place. Especially after all the decades of Activision being complete tools to their customers.
The second that merger was announced I peaced out. I knew what was coming after having witnessed what became of COD.
#7 Top Seller on Steam
Gamer’s RAGE©
One of the highest up voted negative reviews at the end claims he is gonna play 2000 more hours.
This is temper tantrum shit. Well, some of it.
A lot of it reminds me of this:
TF2 has 90k at the moment as well, just for reference
You can see a little steam icon in-game and after playing for like an hour I only saw 1-2 of those. I think most people are still using b.net. 70k seems pretty good ngl
Idk if this site is really accurate
https://activeplayer.io/overwatch-2/
But it says 300k currently. So yeah, it is quite a bit more popular in reality than TF2. Baldur’s Gate is at half a mil currently. Counterstrike over a mil.
Not to suggest the game isn’t doing well. Just throwing the numbers up for consideration
The last time I tried to play TF2 (2022), I joined 5 random servers and only found a handful of real people. The rest were bots. Is that still the case?
Most bots target the game’s “Casual” mode, since it’s the easiest way to hassle the largest group of people. If you play that mode, you will encounter bots. It sucks that you have to curate your own experience, but you can almost entirely avoid the problem by choosing your own community servers to play on instead.
IMHO: I’d argue that community servers are a “purer” TF2 experience in the first place. So many core game features only make sense in a pro-social “hangout” environment. I’ll rattle off a few from the top of my head:
- Super long map timers are enjoyable as long as players can leave/join at any time
- Unrestricted joining/leaving/teamswitching works as long as autobalance and votescramble exist
- votekick/votescramble are great as long as people aren’t encouraged to abuse the system to gain an edge
Casual rips almost all of that out in favor of emphasizing the gameplay skeleton which remains. You’re no longer showing up to a permanent place with people you can get to know and be silly with. When the round timer ends, Valve may as well be blowing up the server and nervegassing the other 23 players for all it affects you. I posit that TF2’s Casual mode isn’t merely a “non-competitive mode” – it’s an “anti-social mode”. Playing TF2’s Casual mode is like… showing up to the amusement park, alone, except all of the restaurants and bathrooms are permanently closed and they lock the exit gates behind you.
I mentioned it more to the player count claim. If you need to hunt for a server with actual players, how accurate could that number possibly be?
Unrelated: My friend with 58483873 hours in TF2 says it’s not a game anymore, it’s “a dating simulator with hats”
For the most part, yeah. The only way to avoid getting into matches with bots is to find community servers with active moderation. I queue into Uncle Dane’s servers when I feel like booting up TF2.
A lot of those “players” are bot accounts though. TF2 is not a good comparison for active players.
FWIW: a lot of that number is genuine. Bots may be prevalent, but their numbers don’t generally wildly fluctuate over short time periods. Between June & July the TF2 playercount shot up by 50k and most of that was probably organic.
Good - fuck Blizzard. They literally were like “We’re going to OW2 for PvE! I promise we’re totally not just doing it because we want to monetize it more!”
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Also keep in mind they announced it at the same exact time that they wanted people to stop talking about them and Taiwan. And all the sexual harassment at Blizzard.
They had no details about it at the time. They just wanted something the mainstream press could run instead. And tanked a game to keep it from cementing on their face. Idiots.
And all was right with the world.
Smile.
It is now Overwhelming Negative
set in an optimistic future
Can anyone here up to date on their Overwatch lore explain what that means? I’m not being snarky about the game being bad, I just haven’t played it and genuinely curious what they mean by that. From my understanding, the game is about killing each other lol
Last I heard Overwatch basically didn’t have lore. For the entirety of the lifespan of “Overwatch 1” (though overwatch 2 isn’t even actually a sequel) the timeline never advanced past the trailer cinematic from launch. All of the “lore” was just character backstory comics and backstory hints from their interactions in the spawn area of each match.
The gameplay really has nothing to do with the lore, but the lore never struck me as very optimistic. The premise of Overwatch is that once upon a time there was a team of superheroes who went around being superheroes and protecting people from the evil supervillains and stuff like that. But anyway, their superhero team collapsed and for a while it’s just been a shitty world where the supervillains do whatever they want. Now the superhero team is reforming with some new members. The end.
Idk how that could possibly be seen as optimistic personally lol
It’s just standard cape shit. Liberal optimism is a hero saves the world so I don’t have to care!
A virus caused killbot factories to start printing omnicidal killbots. Each country’s military was getting owned by the killbots so Overwatch was formed by soldiers from every military and some randos to shut down the factories. They suceeded, then became the world police. Robots were made to live beneath the cities and subject to “Detroit:Become Human” level discrimination. 10 years later, Overwatch was disbanded after a group betrayed them and bad press. 10 years later, some of the members came back to reform Overwatch.
…why… were there killbot factories?
I don’t know if that ever comes up. The whole thing started with “There’s a huge expansive world we wrote, this is just a tiny portion of it”, and then it turned out no, they were just generating characters to appeal to the largest audience possible and then inventing the world/backstory from that.
they were just generating characters to appeal to the largest audience possible and then inventing the world/backstory from that
When corporate calls for a copy-paste damaged goods femme fatale waifu with an exotic skin color and a corrupted backstory again.
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fixbe there for her
not very optimistic eh
Also their leader is a monkey who escaped from the moon.
OPTIMISTIC FUTURE
Overwatch was promised to have
EPIC BLIZZARD STORYTELLING™ 
coming any moment now and for years a lot of credulous fans waited for more that… didn’t happen.The porn flood that followed after (inevitable, because so many of the characters were committee-designed waifus) had more story packed in than the actual product.
From my understanding, the game is about killing each other lol
Yea, this will always be the problem when trying to create a story around this format of gameplay. You definitely have to ignore the fact that lore enemies can team up because the comp needs it.
The optimistic tone comes across in the character writing, world design, and music. Little in the game is dour or depressing. Instead the focus is on the details that make the locations or characters unique and interesting. There’s a lot of language and cultural representation.
Also, barring the secondary deathmatch game made, OW is technically about doing non-kill objectives, it just so happens that killing your opponents is the best way to complete the objectives.
It’s funny because on the scoreboard, traditional “Kills” are labelled “Eliminations”, but they still keep tradition for multikills i.e. the announcer will say double kill and not something double elim
Based on the videos I’ve watched, the lore is just D.Va and Pharah making out with each other on the beach
In summary: (spoilers ahead)
AI created -> AI becomes monk, this is good AI -> bad AI also created, controlled by single mastermind AI -> bad AI kill humans -> Overwatch created -> good AI sacrifices herself to free other AI from bad AI mind control, thus becoming AI Jesus -> AI now have free will. Some become good, some stay bad. -> optimistic because AI Jesus saved humanity from being killed and now Overwatch is winning the war against bad AI
That’s about it.
All the maps and locations represent the respective nations most optimistic future of how they could look, chefk out any of the maps and youll get what i mean
I think there was a robot war but then superheroes appeared and invented mega science and solved most of the world’s problems even though sometimes they still have to fight robots and supervillains. It’s basically the DC comic universe (which is a lot more optimistic than the cinematic one lmao).
(which is a lot more optimistic than the cinematic one lmao)
Nolan and Snyder saw to that.
The PVE bundle for a few missions costing about the same of what I paid for the entire ow1 is just insulting. For what I understand they’ll release multiples PVE bundles for 15$. The entire ow2 is only a money grab machine.
I should be mad at the market for this practice but I’m already so pissed off that I’ll direct all my hatred towards a single stupidity: Fuck all mobile consumers who made this kinda of shit the norm in the gaming market, fuck all candy crush players who gave infinite money to Activision Blizzard.
Seems about right.
Thing is, I actually like OW2’s core gameplay more than OW1. I can’t say it’s necessarily better than OW1 would have been if they hadn’t abandoned it for years to (fail to) build OW2’s PVE, but so it goes.
But I reinstalled just to see if I’d want to try with the new Invasion content, and here’s the thing:
I played about 5 rounds of QP. They were all horribly mismatched in terms of skill level, and I enjoyed 0 of them. So the idea of grinding through a new battle pass, although liking the RoboAna mythic skin, was a nonstarter even before talking about how crowded a launch season this is. Like even if I wanted to, I don’t have time for this battle pass.
And then the new PvE content? I mean maybe it’s good, but nothing about any of the PvE they’ve released in the past would support that. It’s been consistently mediocre IMO, so I dunno why I’d suddenly want to pay for the privilege.
I’m annoyed that I have about 2000 coins I’m never going to use (love that I can’t use them to buy the invasion bundle just to screw around with the new stuff), but I think it’s time to give up and move on.
