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The only good thing about Fahrenheit is that 69 degrees (20.5 C) is a nice temperature.
a 69°C cup coffee on winter is nice
A cup of lukewarm coffee please.
Edit: my wrong, I thought it was 69°F !
All my excuses
According to James Hoffmann, the ideal temperature to enjoy coffee is between 50°C and 60°C, he may know a thing or two about coffee, and you may think the coffee you drink is hotter that it really is.
Also it’s a 0-100 scale of how hot it is outside, and it requires no prior understanding to use it as such.
The freezing point of water is very important to weather, and requires prior knowledge of the arbitrary number 32.
Is it? Only pure water will actually freeze at 0c. Rain, puddles, lakes, etc aren’t all that pure… And we’re talking about ambient air temps here. The air can be below freezing and it can still rain. And you can get snow/hail above freezing…
Knowing the freezing point is just one factor. Knowing it’s generally around 30F is pretty much always close enough (not that remembering 32 is actually very difficult)
Edit: also water only freezes at 0c if it’s at sea level… I really don’t think 0°=freezing is the huge advantage that celcius stans think it is.
yeah, and let me know how accurate our weather models and prediction systems are. Can you calculate accurately how much the temperature in a specific part of the atmosphere will drop to a large updraft?
What’s that? This is literally an entire career field of study and development? Oh that’s weird.
Also the only real time this is relevant, is when things that have this weird property called thermal mass get below freezing, it’s snowing in 30f weather? That’s not sticking, the ground is too warm. or the sun will literally just melt it even if it is cold enough. Water? You mean that weird thing called like, a lake or river? Those get below freezing, without actively freezing, lakes won’t even drop that much in terms of temperature, aside from the surface level. The surface may freeze, but even that is pretty variable.
Also yes, it’s the arbitrary number of 32, so is literally every number though. We have 2 numbers to remember, you also have 2 numbers to remember, god forbid you have like, a password, or a passcode, or like, a numbers based lock somewhere. Humans have never been known to be good at memorizing short strings of data.
like idk how to tell you this, but, it’s not that big of a deal?
Okay so fahrenheit has a well-defined high and low, but an arbitrary freezing point of one certain chemical. All other chemical freezing points are arbitrary.
Celsius has an arbitrary high and low, but a well-defined freezing point of that same chemical. All other freezing points are arbitrary.
If your motivation is to minimize the amount of arbitrary values you have to memorize, fahrenheit is the clear winner.
It’s not like the weather depends on the boiling point of formaldehyde…
The zero C is freezing and 100 C is boiling, so not really arbitrary.
But it’s pretty hard to define a scale that has intuitive, round numbers for everything we might care about.
You’re correct. In a lab setting, 0C and 100C are not arbitrary.
In the weather forecast, they are.
Which ties into your final point, it’s hard to define a scale that is best for everything, which is exactly what I’ve been saying this whole time. Fahrenheit is better for some things, Celsius for others.
The only reason people in this thread are saying otherwise is because for some reason they’ve tied up some significant part of their self-worth into their belief that “lmao DAE fahrenheit bad amirite??1?”, and they mistakenly believe that those of us that understand nuance are trying to belittle or disparage them in some way. I assure you, we are not.
0C and 100C are not arbitrary.
well i mean technically, the only reason they aren’t arbitrary is because the mean something, the numbers arent significant, it’s what they represent, which is the boiling/freezing point of water.
The only reason people in this thread are saying otherwise is because for some reason they’ve tied up some significant part of their self-worth into their belief that “lmao DAE fahrenheit bad amirite??1?”, and they mistakenly believe that those of us that understand nuance are trying to belittle or disparage them in some way. I assure you, we are not.
i’m seeing people put very little thought into the things they’re saying, i just recently posted a comment covering a few of those things in this thread. For some reason europeans seem to just get absolutely brainfucked when presented with the concept of a unit system that isn’t metric, it’s like your literal entire lives are built upon the concept of 0 10 100 scaling, and you can’t consider literally anything outside of it.
Now maybe i’m being a little hyperbolic here, but US peeps pretty well understand that we could just “be using celsius” that’s not really a wacky concept or idea here. Celsius peeps really seem to think that if they had to use fahrenheit, they would probably die from accidental over-consumption of water, somehow. And in their defense, a lot of our shit is kinda fucking weird. But again, it’s really not that bad.
at least, this has been my experience from the various threads i’ve been in on this topic over time.
The 0 in Fahrenheit was based on nothing and the 100F was supposed to be human temperature but it is off by some degrees
The water is not an arbitrary temperature, the weather is water dependant, at 0C the water will freeze and you get snow/ice instead of rain
0°F is when the ocean freezes
100° F was human body temperature, later revised somewhat with better measurements and a decrease of parasites . The average person in those days in London had a slightly higher body temperature than today
0F is not ocean freezing, is the freezing temp of a brine mix that he chose arbitrarily (some think that he chose that temp because it was close to the coldest his town had ever been and he used it to calibrate the scales of his thermometers)
FYI, the ocean freezes at around 28F
Oceans freezing also depends on currents, and mixing of the water from the surface. 28° will freeze water in a room.
This is why often the ocean is not frozen at much lower temperatures.
I’m not at all cognizant of how 0 was decided
If that was true outsiders should be able to use Fahrenheit without much explanation. I’ve never got a clue what the °F values mean, I always have to use a converter. It’s really not as intuitive as people who grew up with it seem to believe.
If that was true outsiders should be able to use Fahrenheit without much explanation. I’ve never got a clue what the °F values mean, I always have to use a converter. It’s really not as intuitive as people who grew up with it seem to believe.
because it’s all relative, and you need to actually know how the temperatures relate to the things you’re experiencing? I’m going to hazard a guess and say you’re comfortable with using celsius? Oops cognitive bias. You would have to test this on someone who doesn’t understand temperature yet. It just so happens that here in the US, it pretty conveniently lines up with those figures for us.
If your example cannot be proven on any existing person I’d argue it’s hardly relevant to our reality.
°F most definitely isn’t intuitive enough for people who aren’t accustomed to it to use. If it is more intuitive at all, it’s not to any meaningful degree.
If your example cannot be proven on any existing person I’d argue it’s hardly relevant to our reality.
possibly? Arguably you could still make the case that the existing range of 0-100f is more pleasant, and arguably nicer to use. But you would have to either find someone uniquely adapted to both systems, or you would have to do a lot of independent study on how humans interact with numbers and ranges of numbers. In order to find a specific answer it’s going to be quite hard.
intuition is bullshit anyway, it’s highly predicated on previous experience and an existing knowledge base, so i feel like that’s kind of arguing “well a race car driver drives good, so why don’t normal drivers drive good” kind of territory if you arent careful.
Yeah, which is why most people here in favor of Celcius argue that Fahrenheit isn’t, in fact, more intuitive and therefore more suited to describe the weather. Both are arbitrary, both can be learned and used very easily, the only difference is what you’re used to.
yeah, but i think arguing that celsius is “more intuitive” when the one primary advantage outside of science is that it lines up with water relatively nicely compared to fahrenheit, is like, ok.
32f and 212f and 0c and 100c aren’t really all that substantially different as far as the general use case goes.
Exactly. Fahrenheit is just metric weather.
And you can bake things at 420
ok you actually convinced me, Fahrenheit is better (except I can’t spell it properly without autocorrect)
I can’t spell it properly without autocorrect
This is genuinely the most inconvenient thing about Fahrenheit
you can also bake things at 420C if you’re not a coward about this (like proper thin pizza) (maybe it’s a bit too high but you get the idea)
Well… If it’s only for a few seconds…
You could bake something at 420 Celsius too, assuming your okay with charcoal as the end product
Or Pizza!
You can make the temperature dial of an oven have matching degrees of rotation and degrees Celcius.
Turn the dial to point straight down to bake at 180°
Turn it 3/4 of the way to cook a pizza at 270°
What? 100°F is too mild. It doesn’t even boil water!
mild in what way? Do you live in death valley??? Have you ever experienced 100f? You can literally get heat exhaustion, and heat stroke from temperatures of 110f pretty easily if you aren’t watching yourself, we remind ourselves of this constantly anytime it gets hot.
They are referring to the fact that 100 celsius literally boils water.
is that literally the entire joke?
mild in what way?
It doesn’t even boil water.
Have you ever experienced 100f?
It’s slightly above my core body temperature. So yes, literally I experience it all the time.
You can literally get heat exhaustion, and heat stroke from temperatures of 110f pretty easily
Sauna. It’s literally boiled water. And it’s pretty safe for average human.
It doesn’t even boil water.
yeah and? Last i checked i’m not a pot of water.
It’s slightly above my core body temperature. So yes, literally I experience it all the time.
to be clear, it’s not slightly above, it’s high enough that you’re getting into fever range, a few degrees over that and it starts to become deadly. 105f internal temp is potentially fatal so.
the average body temperature ranges about 2 degree fahrenheit. 97f to 99f that’s about the entire extent of that. 100F specifically is slightly over that in terms of general temperature experience.
Sauna. It’s literally boiled water. And it’s pretty safe for average human.
thank god, i was about to do hard labor in a sauna. Not to mention this is also a sauna, not direct infrared and UV exposure to direct sunlight. Not to mention the literal temperature of the environment around it, and the indirect reflected heating that you’ll receive.
guess i should now argue that cold temperatures aren’t dangerous because people do ice baths regularly.
Forty-one sounds insanely hot as an outside temperature if that’s the standard you’re used to. And that’s the thing that the Fahrentards refuse to wrap their head around.
FOUR THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED MILLICELCIUS?!
Celsius peopke are cold blooded.
I hate that I agree with this lol
Ah America, bigger is always a better isn’t it?
ITT: Europeans tie their personal identity to an arbitrary scale for the expression of mean entropy.
would someone explain to me why whenever european people are confronted with the idea of the imperial system their brain seems to shutdown into a slow state of oxygen preservation? I genuinely don’t understand it.
“40c in f is 104???” yeah, round it, its 100f, you think we specify to the Nth degree here?
“86f doesn’t really make sense” yeah, round it. 90 is pretty close, and who boy 90s are pretty hot.
“why isn’t 50f the perfect temperature” you’re literally just applying an arbitrary point on something entirely arbitrary. But ok. (also it is the perfect temperature range between 50-70f)
“how is -17c and 37c cold and hot???” literally round it bro, -20 and 40c are right there wow look at that now it makes more sense! Im pretty sure this commenter is aussie or something, so in their defense, anything under 70f is cold for them. Either that or they don’t wear clothes, ever, because they’re calculating the coldness with no clothing. for some reason.
“yeah but we also think of things in relation to the temperature of water, like freezing is when shit is icy, and also the relation to the boiling point” brother, water boils in fahrenheit as well (212f, but again, you’re going to shocked by this one, you can round it down to 200f, wow look at that, it’s like, pretty close.) sure the freezing point is still higher, but you really only get freezes here at super prolonged periods of just under 30f weather, or really cold snaps that stick around a bit. generally snow in 30f weather is, not really a thing, the ground is still warm enough it melts. ice doesn’t form unless it’s like, close to 0.
guys, i promise, it’s not this hard. Just, think about it a little bit, please. You’re killing me here!
Once again… the classic argument of: “Well, I grew up using this system, and I’m used to the system. I have built an internal intuition for how hot and cold the temperature is. I am used to >100 being hot! 40 is not hot!”
Well then. I grew up using celcius and… “IT’S FOURTY FUCKING ONE DEGREES OUTSIDE?” sounds just as hot.
this is so true, but the thing the celsiouds won’t understand, that the farenheitoids haven’t realized, is that the celsius users die (not literally) in heat of about 85 f which for any fahrenheit user is, literally a nice summer day.
EDIT: i’m making a joke about the UK heat waves, since people don’t seem to realize that.
It has LAYERS!
When you use Celsius from birth 41C does make you say FORTY ONE DEGREES?!!!
It’s that extra “one” of incredulity.
40 degrees, that’s just too hot.
41? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.
100%
It’s just Americans having American perspectives promoted as world views.
brother, that’s what a world view is lmao, do you not understand this concept?
Most of us don’t really go anywhere outside of the US, the entire continental US is the literal equivalent of the collective EU. What do you want me to say? I literally don’t need to leave to US to experience something geographically unique.
geographically unique
Geographically perhaps. But the cultural and historical unique is something you are going to miss out on by staying inside your own home country for your entire life. You think your US regional differences are the same as the differences between two countries, but anyone who has experienced different countries will tell you in an instant that that is not so.
I think they’ve meant world’s view, not worldview
im pretty sure the world’s view would be that we’re parasites destroying the well balanced nature of the ecology of the earth, but that’s just me.
It’s about crossing into triple digits, a new order of magnitude, it feels heavy.
But it’s also underwhelming when your usual reference for over 100 is, “WHAT IT’S HOT ENOUGH TO BOIL WATER OUTSIDE!?”
It doesn’t really though for people who doesn’t use fahrenheit.
American: IT’S A HUNDRED AND SEVEN DEGREES OUTSIDE
Civilized people: no it fucking ain’t, you overdramatic princess
… for you.
No, he’s right. The “one hundred” part really does add certain powers, Austin Powers
In Australia we go with “Farkin hot”
On the other hand, if it was 107°C outside, the outrage would be so much more justified.
Yeah, but it hits different. Smaller number is smaller.
That’s why I use Kelvin. THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN DEGREES?!!
Just use Kelvin. Problem solved.
