No one cares. Just use whatever phone you like. This post is extremely cringey.
use whatever phone you like
wrong. Use a fairphone
You seem to imply that to use a fairphone means using a phone you don’t like
good point
Yes, good recommendation for a phone with a chip that was underpowered at release. Good luck for the next 7 years (amount of time you’ll get software updates on a flagship phone which costs as much as the fairphone and very rarely fails)
Buy a phone and keep it for as long as you can, and in general, just buy less phones. Don’t upgrade each year, that’s extremely stupid.
agree 100%. One way to buy less phones is to buy a repairable phone.
My iPhone is repairable and supported until 2028. And because Apple is refusing to make more mid-size phones, I will be using this one until 2028 at minimum.
Lol “repairable” as long as it’s just the battery, can’t even change the screen without breaking functionality because “security” and you’re more likely to need to replace the screen than anything
That won’t solve the software side. My previous phone was still working, but then Google fucked up the software. The first because it required some new ssl standard for all connections that the phone didn’t support. The other one because google added a whole lot of local Infos, pictures and features to the map that could not be disabled, therefore rendering my Navi to a unresponsive, slow and battery draining app I could no longer use. And then there where some apps that would not run because my os was to old.
True! fairphones are at least okay-ish there too. They actively cooperate with devs that make open source android OSs. But yeah Google still has way too much power in the entire android ecosystem. Many banking apps don’t work without Google Wallet, which doesn’t run on degoogled OSs.
Repairability is definitely a factor, but don’t forget considering how long a company will support software updates for the device, how the device meets your needs no only today but 5-6-7 years from now, and your options for repurposing the device once it reaches EoL.
I will never understand if some people are rich or simply stupid to buy a new phone every year, especially iphones since there is almost to nothing in terms of upgrades to the hardware.
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With T-Mobiles JUMP program you can just turn on your phone and they wipe out the remaining EIP in exchange for the new EIP each year (and for awhile every 6 months). If the new phone is not more expensive then your bill doesn’t change at all, if the new phone is cheaper then the bill goes down. They refurbish and resell the turned in phones, which also means the catch is you have to keep the phone in good condition.
I upgraded every year, then broke the tradition for my current longest streak of 2.5 years with the OnePlus 8T because no other phones excited me except for the Foldy phones, but at the time only the Samshit folds were available on TMO so I waited for the then rumored Pixel Fold. (OnePlus stopped selling in all Carrier stores in the US during this time, so noe OnePlus Open for me :( )
I have resumed the tradition as I am awaiting my delivery of my Pixel 9 Pro Fold tomorrow lol
It’s honestly been a fun journey that started with the Nexus One
Then to the Motorola Backflip (Cool phone, miss it dearly)
To one of the first phones with a fingerprint scanner (Motorola Atrix 4G, it was called a “gimmick that wouldn’t last” at the time LMAO)
To the Nexus 4
To one of the first waterproof phones in the US, my beloved Sony Xperia Z which then broke 6 months later (think I dropped it) which led to the Nexus 5
To my first and LAST Samshit phone the Galaxy S5 (Which I hated and upgraded away from as soon as I could)
To the Nexus 6 and then 6P when the “Phablet Wars” started,
To the OnePlus 3T (one of the only phones I bought outright)
To the second phone in the US to sport a “shatterproof” screen, the Moto Z2 Force (pretty fun phone, I tossed that thing around like crazy lol)
To the OnePlus 6T (Iirc the first phone they started selling in carrier stores) which led to the 7T and then 8T which led to the “Great Waiting” of 2.5 years for Google to hurry the fuck up with their Pixel Fold
To the Pixel Fold and now finally, the Pixel 9 Pro Fold
Lots of firsts, and experimentation in that list, lots of memories, root experiments, custom kernels, over clocking, pushed most of those phones to their limits in the year I had them. Hell, I would have probably been among the first with a Foldy phone if it wasn’t for the fact the first foldys were Samshits…
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would be nice if they shipped outside of europe…
do they not? That is disappointing
cringe
The OP cares very much, for some reason.
not only OP, look at how many replies this has
60 Hz in 2024 is crazy, aside from the fact that iPhones have been the same for the past 6 generations.
60 Hz in 2024 is crazy, aside from the fact that iPhones have been the same for the past 6 generations.
iPhone Pro has been 120Hz for a while now. Also
bigger base level storage andUSB. If you want the fancy specs you get the fancier phone.both 16 and 16 pro have 128 GB base storage
both 16 and 16 pro have 128 GB base storage
I stand corrected.
That said, if you up the price to match the pictured Xperia 1 iii ($1300 when new in 2021), the iPhone Pro (13 in 2021) will have 512GB (256GB for the Pro Max at $1200). Fancy price for a fancy phone.
At the end of the day people should just buy whatever phone fits their needs and their wallets, and let others do the same. Android phones are great. iPhones are great. We’re living in the future and other than the dystopian tendencies, it’s pretty awesome.
Just stating we shouldn’t have to pay over $1000 usd to get a 120hz display. This doesn’t justify it when you can buy phones with high refresh rate for $300
So buy the $300 phone! If the iPhone isn’t your cup of tea you don’t have to buy it. You’ll sacrifice some stuff to get the price point that low, but if they’re things you don’t want or need, awesome!
That Xperia 1 iii pictured? $1300 new in 2021.
What are y’all doing on your phones that 60hz isn’t enough. For the power user I guess but your average user. Makes no difference
I mean usage wise sure you still see the display either way. But high refresh rate is better for your eyes, especially when it’s a quality display with high PWM rate. There is a huge difference between an S24’s display and an iPhone 15’s. I can use the S24 without my eyes getting tired for hours, while my eyes get sore after viewing the iPhone for a while.
Xperia 1 iii?
As a person who has worked in telecom for over 15 years…shhhhhhhhh…
You like android better? Cool. You like IOS better? Cool. They do essentially the same thing in different ways with different pros and cons. What works best for one person may not be for someone else.
In 2024 if you’re arguing on the internet (or perhaps worse, in real life) about which phone is better you need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and take an assessment of your priorities.
Also, because I love downvotes apparently, this also applies to windows/linux/mac OS. Unless I’m on my Mac like “Gee I sure wish this was more open source, if only there was an alternative.” I don’t need you telling me to switch to linux bro.
What about the need to tell others how to and what to discuss in their free time with their social circle? Can I do that?
Everyone I know in tech uses android. People that want capable handheld devices choose android. People that want a basic device that does what the company says and nothing else go Apple. Even I suggest Apple to old people and luddites, it protects itself from them. Oh, and people easily manipulated by social pressures (OMG I need the right colored text bubble!) will deeply overpay for a subpar device.
As “three dead trolls in a baggie” famously sung… “Every OS Sucks”.
As true today as when it was first penned.
So do you whip out this copypasta anytime people try to have a fun discussion about something or?
It’s a relevant topic to talk about. You wrote so much yet said nothing except I don’t like seeing people talk down to apple users. Which i agree with a little but people will talk about relevant things like smart phone choice whether you like it or not.
Also have you tried switching to linux?
It’s comparing hardware, not OS
I’m invested because higher adoption of my preferred platform causes prices of said platform to drop, making the platform economically attractive to develop for.
Fewer users causes less effort to go into the platform by larger corporations due to lower revenue streams, diminishing updates and feature count over time.
Eventually, users leave due to pain points not being addressed. Shrinking user bases causes independent developer talent to focus on other platforms since the economics no longer work in the marginal case.
The shrinking independent developer contributions to the ecosystem make the required effort to develop for it that much higher, since the tools and apps that would have been built weren’t.
Higher development costs slow down feature pacing, due to the increased effort needed to substitute the efforts of missing ecosystem developers.
Lack of feature cadence drives users to other platforms, shrinking the user base, bringing us back to step 1.
Absolutely, well put!! It’s honestly sad in my eyes
I’ve given up especially when it comes to Linux vs Mac on the topic of open source. People will have such a violent reaction that they cannot possibly consider Apple as anything else but the literal antithesis of open source.
if you think Apple has a place in open source, you’d be right, but you’ll also get attacked for it because Apple bad.
Only a handful of months ago Apple released open source AI models that run on-device.
It’s so obvious over many years that Apple has always gotten their hands dirty in the open source world going back to even before the birth of OSX, both with use and contributions, yet this is stomped out by the notion of expensive and elitist Apple could never and would never actually bother contributing to open source codebases
Someone should saw off the legs of the techbros that came up with the idea of removing the headphone jacks from phones. Just like the headphone jacks, legs are technologically “superseeded” by cars and electronic wheelchairs.
Meh, I haven’t really missed it as much as I expected. The one and only (pretty minor in my case) issue I’ve run into is not being able to charge the phone while connected to the car’s stereo. Though it wouldn’t surprise me if you could just use a usb-c splitter to do that.
Fair point, at least they should give us two USB-C ports, at least on the flagship models.
Most people don’t care, don’t use it and it saves cost and thickness. I think they are smarter than you on this.
You are not their target audience, they know there’s not enough of you for it to make a difference.
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It saves an amount of money so minuscule it literally makes no difference.
As for thickness, the iPhone 15 is 7.8 mm thick. You cannot in good faith believe that a 3.5 mm headphone jack can’t fit in it.
Wouldn’t they have to sacrifice like three* minutes of battery life or something though? Everything packed sooo tightly.
*or 10 or 30, somebody here probably can make a really good educated guess
Depending on the internal design of the phone, maybe.
But batteries are rectangular and they can’t put them EVERYWHERE. There are places (such as near the USB port) where you can’t really put battery no matter what because there have to be things that would interfere with the rectangular battery.
So it might have an effect, but not necessarily, depending on design, and it might be smaller than you’d think.
Phones are so thin now that people are crying back the thicker ones…
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I’ve literally never used the headphone jack on a phone in 10 years.
And I wonder how many would still want it back if they realized the phones then were bricked after getting submerged in water like they used to.Headphone jacks can be waterproofed, manufacturers are just lazy.
There are many phones with a headphone jack that have an IP68 rating which invalidates your whole point. If the headphone jack was so compromising then Apple would have needed to remove the charging port as well.
many phones with a headphone jack that have an IP68 rating which invalidates your whole point
Typing on one right now.
A sick and twisted part of me wants to see charging ports removed too. Every port! Make it IP69+ compliant. Maybe then the careless kids I know might keep a device alive for more than a year. Ultimately all that would do is barely solve one problem and introduce a whole lot of other problems.
I do. I don’t use wireless headphones, and the dongle sucks. And hate having earbuds with a proprietary jack I can’t use elsewhere. Plus I used my iPhone as a synth/drum machine and needed to charge and play at the same time.
Most people don’t use them and never did, all the people downvoting are just salty because they’re not the target audience.
People are downvoting because the comment is flat-out wrong.
There is no right or wrong, it’s all subjective opinion.
Nope.
if they realized the phones then were bricked after getting submerged in water like they used to.
This is not subjective, it’s objectively false.
it objectively depends on the design of each individual phone
So we agree, you were wrong about it “all being subjective opinion.”
About 10 years ago I used headphones daily, now I do so just frequently enough that it’s irritating to realize I need to purchase a dongle just to do so and go “well I guess I’m not listening to music/podcasts right now”
What I learned when working for a phone manufacturer is that the headphone jack usage varies by product segment. Cheaper phone users use the headphone jack far more frequently than premium phone users, so they’d keep it on the budget models but drop it on the higher end models. They also did similar with NFC and wireless charging which was interesting…
Phones became waterproof before removing headphone jacks became a trend. You’re talking nonsense.
I’ve literally never used the headphone jack on a phone in 10 years
We understood that as soon as you said “literally”.
I’ve not used on*star, a fire extinguisher or a #2 pencil in a while either, but I bet they’re important. Beware false consensus.
I don’t remember the last time I needed/missed 3.5mm
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And then you can sell USB-C -> Jack converters (which break after a while - I’ve dismantled one for recycling for my Raspberry Pi, later I might make one epoxy potted for my phone), easy to lose wireless earbuds, etc.
If the fucking usb c audio was at least consistent, but no, the dongles are different and the phones are different, good luck trying to not blow up ypur phone by buying the wrong accessory (I blame the spec, not that I’ve read it)
Best if you get one of those USB DACs. Those even work on a PC with a converter.
They did it to improve water resistance and to sell the more expensive wireless earpods.
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which don’t really matter unless the difference allows your phones to survive a full cycle in a washing machine. So far many phones which removed the headphone jack still does not.
I wouldn’t mind if they replaced TRRS with a better connector. I get that the jack is a large part and it’s difficult to seal against water ingress. The wiper contacts on it are also unreliable, and the plug doesn’t release well when your cord snags.
Multiplexing headphones with my one and only charging port is absolutely the worst possible answer.
(Did i forget to mention that I want it to be an open connector? One that any vendor can make without Apple’s permission?)
(Did i forget to mention that I want it to be an open connector? One that any vendor can make without Apple’s permission?)
Apple ditched Lightning last year. All iPhones from the 15 forward are USB-C.
Lightning and USB-C are both equally terrible headphone plugs.
Sure, in that the port is far more versatile than it needs to be for audio output. I’m not arguing otherwise.
My ~230$ android phone has 120hz screen and very similar features. However, I had to turn the refresh rate back to 60 cuz it was chewing through battery. (5kma)
user replaceable battery?
I’m no apple fan, but some of these features don’t really mean much, like the screen refresh rate, data transfer rate, or codec support. Pretty small subset of users are going to care about these, the vast majority of people just browse, play simple games, and maybe run a map or spotify or whatever.
That said, the 16 is built to use Apple’s AI, and that’s pretty much reason enough for me to not want to go anywhere near it. I’ll buy an older model before I support this AI crap.
Why doesn’t this post mention the price? It is an extremely important factor.
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Buddy if you think the entry iPhone is expensive you should take a look at the price of an Xperia flagship
Apple was right to get rid of the 3.5 mm jack. Come at me.
They forgot to put a balanced output jack in place of it.
You haven’t given your reasoning. You’re given nothing to “come at”.
I’m know. Mostly I was trolling. I personally would never use a 3.5 mm jack ever again. Once I started using Bluetooth headphones, I can’t possibly go back to cables. And a jack dedicated to that is pointless to me.
Fair enough.
For me personally, I love having technology from right before the explosion of Bluetooth integration. For example, I have stereo receivers and other sets of speakers that require that 3.5mm jack for input. Not having that jack on my current phone (Pixel 8) has made it more annoying to use these devices. Also, I still have an iPod Classic that I used to use exclusively in the car but now I have to carry it around more so it can be used with my old stereos.
Also, I can’t stand the bluetooth latency; especially in the car. If I’m parked having lunch somewhere, I can’t watch a video without a terrible audio desync.
I still value the 3.5mm jack.
I imagine 3.5 is all around a better quality connection than Bluetooth. Like WiFi can never compete with wired.
How so?
Cause I don’t need one 🤪
“The soulless corporate brand is like is better than the one you like.”
The “physical capture button” sounds ominous.
You throw your phone at someone like a pokeball and capture them.
Well, that’s not too far off from what certain groups of people think happens when you take a photo of them lol
OP must be a 12 year old
i hope i don’t end up with the -4000 mAh battery if i buy the phone
If you had one you could sell it for millions to some thermodynamics denyers.
Correction: the iPhone 16 does support physical SIM.
Depends on locale, I believe. I think the US version is eSIM only.
Oh damn, you’re right.
Wow, to see an Xperia phone being used as an example instead of a bloody Samsung.
Good day to be an Xperia user.
Ya hear that?!
DOZENS!
If they had used a Samsung, half the android’s features would be missing.
Xperia is in my opinion the only phone left worth buying. It has all the bells and whistles you expect from a flagship phone + a headphone jack, SD card slot and very good camera.
I love being able to manually do what ever I want in the camera app and having the camera button is just nice.
Had the Xperia Z3 back in the day after my beloved Sony Ericson Xperia Play died. Loved both phones. Switched to Samsung for a few years and are now back to Sony (Xperia 1 IV) since 2023. Words can’t describe how happy I am being back. :D
Dunno about other Androids, but just hitting the “power” (or wake or whatever it is) button 3 times on the Pixel pulls up the camera app. Even if the phone is currently locked. I think you can set it up so one of the physical buttons takes a photo as well but not 100% sure.
Yeah, the Sony phones do that as well. The special part of the camera button is that it acts like one on a proper camera. If you half press it (you can feel a slight change in resistance when you hit the spot) it engages the focus and then you can press it fully to take the picture.
I was able to program the Bixby button on my Samsung S10+ to take pictures as well, but it lacks the half press feature.
I love Z3. I still mourn the loss of it to this day.
However, I must admit that Xperia quality hasn’t been the greatest in the recent years, with the light lines issue plaguing the 5 series from mk II onwards, and now the 1 VI has similar issues too.
What do you mean with “light lines issue”? I haven’t had any major problems with my Xperia so far. Sometimes it reboots after being on for a few months, but that’s about it.
This one. My 5 mk II is completely unusable due to this. It’s a well documented issue on the Xperia sub on reddit.
Do they offer that in Vader?
If you consider pink close enough to red.
Oh wow that sucks. :( Haven’t seen that yet, but damn shame that it is common issue.
Does it appear after some time, or mostly DOA? Does Sony replace the broken devices?
It appears after some time. And no, Sony doesn’t acknowledge this issue, so you have to pay out of pocket if your warranty is over to replace the phone.
Oh wow that’s really shitty.
Thanks for the info! :)
I miss my Xepria Z from 2013 :( one of the first waterproof phones in the US and I loved the novelty of taking it into the shower LMAO
What you doin’ with your phone in the shower >.>
