Honestly this is absurd. These death machines shouldn’t be legal in europe. That thing doesn’t even fit in the parking space, even though the parking lot has the biggest spaces in the whole city. The Golf Polo is so small in comparison, it could even hide in front of the engine hood of the truck.
EDIT: It’s a Polo and not a Golf, I don’t know my cars, sorry for that!
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Only one of them fits a man with a small dick
And comfortably fit 2 rear facing seats. Fuck having kids amirite?
I could comfortably fit two car seats in my Prius. You’re delusional if you think the truck is required for that.
The Prius isn’t a particularly small car though.
Imagine comparing a mid size to compact. I also said comfortably.
I wasn’t comparing a midsized to a compact, I was pointing out that you’re full of shit for thinking that only massive SUVs can fit two car seats, because you absolutely are. Have you been inside a Prius? It’s just as long as a RAV4. The main loss of interior space is in the headroom. Not sure if you realize, but children in car seats don’t need that headroom. Not that most people do. I’m 6 feet tall and I fit in the backseat with a comfortable amount of headroom and legroom. Plenty of space for two car seats to fit comfortably.
I never said anything about any SUV. I just pointed out a polo is a shitty car if you have kids 🤷♂️
Why would interior space affect the comfort of a small kid in a rear facing carseat? It’s not like they care about the legroom.
Because you have to move the front seat forward to safely not have the two seats touch. It’s uncomfortable for the passenger and worst case can cause it to be difficult to quickly slow down cause the pedals are so close.
There is a reason mid size SUVs (formerly the accord) are the king of suburban vehicles. My accord was only like 4.5 inches shorter than our outback.
Might just be my experience but in the UK at least, it’s almost exclusively women who drive cars like this. Men more commonly drive vans and super large vehicles to be fair, but specifically larger than necessary, non-tradesman style cars (Land Rovers, very clean, empty pick-ups etc.)
Yeh because they want to feel safe. All it is. And it’s not safer at all.
I’m sure it’s safer for them, but not for the kid they’ll accidentally run over because they simply couldn’t see it.
But it’s not safer at all. They handle like shit.
By safe I meant they won’t be the ones killed in an accident. They won’t feel the impact cuz their car just keeps going.
God forbid somebody drives a pickup truck. There’s never ever a necessity to haul anything weighing over 500kg or to ever pull a large trailer. It’s safe to assume anybody driving one of these big scary machines is a sadist with a micropenis and a threat to society.
Do you realize that whoever grew the food you ate today likely owns and utilizes a pickup truck? Do you realize that your convenient city life would be impossible without rural people transporting goods to your little concrete paradise?
That’s funny. This might shock you but I don’t actually live in a concrete paradise. I live in a rural area in Europe in a small village with a lot of farms. Take a guess how many pickup trucks there are here? Close to none. That’s because nobody actually needs a pick-up truck.
In most of the EU, you’ll get a hefty fine for parking on the pavement. Take a picture wirh the license number and report anonymously.
Karen spotted 👀
Define what you think “a Karen” is, because I don’t think you understand what you’re typing, and just trying to be “cool” on the internets.
OK George W. 😅
Anybody who is so offended by it that they take a picture of a parking violation to anonymously report it is showing pure Karen mentality
Define what you think “a Karen” is, because I don’t think you understand what you’re typing, and just trying to be “cool” on the internets.
“Karen” is a gendered slur that everyone is pretending isn’t misogynist and abusive towards people named Karen until (checks calendar) 2025.
Fuck off Karen.
That’s not what a Karen is at all. A Karen reports someone for doing things that arent a crime and that’s why they’re unreasonable (often against people of color). Like when that woman called the cops on that dude leaving his own home.
Also parking on the pavement is dangerous and reduces accessibility for other people navigating that. So yes, report them.
I call you a damn Karen too that conversation is long over and I don’t want to talk to you.
In my part of the world cops have written warning to those who report these people because “taking a photo of their license plate is a violation of their privacy”.
Remember when I said anonymously?
Tell me you’ve never built anything with your hands in your life and you’re dick-ashamed about it, without telling me you’ve never built anything with your hands in your life and you’re totally dickshamed about it.
One of them can haul 4 of the other ones.
And yet will never haul more than groceries
I use my shit.
You should also learn to use your shit. That is a death trap.
The pickup absolutely does not need to be that big to be able to haul that much mass. Also, most large cars you see driving are pretty much never at capacity. Could get away with having a shared pool of specialized vehicles that will get used only when really necessary.
In Europe that would be a VW Transporter or similar. Not the kind of thing you see parked on a residential spot unless it’s gardeners being there for a job, they love their flatbeds.
And WTF are you towing that kind of load (at least looks heavy) on a twin axle. No wonder you people think towing shit is dangerous. Read my lips: Wheels on all corners, brakes.
Empty plastic bins. Heavy but not too heavy for the trailer, well within the limits. That’s funny that something scares you guys yet the same people would hook up a camper to a golf lol. Here’s some more interesting loads I’ve done for your viewing pleasure.
Jesus. Glad we don’t see that kinda sketch on the roads here.
Probably shouldn’t. That’s sketchy as fuck.
That’s completely legal, everything is fully secured, went through 3 states with that one6 years ago. I’ve hauled aircraft all over the USA, picked up planes in California and Michigan and brought them back home to FL. You always get interesting looks from people with those haha Here’s a fun one for you.
Wow that looks interesting to say the least.
I tow my car to the track at least once a month 🤷♂️
SUVs and pulling shit is kinda funny you see: Automatic transmissions have shit torque out of the box, they’d overheat pulling simple trailers so they need additional cooling so they need additional space so Yanks buy oversized cars (whether or not they actually pull anything).
Anyhow if America learned to drive manual transmission like the rest of the world they could pull trailers with Golfs, like the rest of the world.
Heck that SUV there looks larger than a Unimog and I can guarantee you it is nowhere even close to Unimog capabilities. Those things are honorary tractors.
That’s not a SUV my man, that’s a full size pickup truck with a bed topper. And automatic transmissions can absolutely pull a heavy load without a problem if they are designed for it. Plenty of Americans own manuals, I’ve had many over the years and enjoy them both, but just having a manual transmission is not what makes a car capable of pulling a load. Your never going to pull a serious load in a golf, regardless of the transmission; maybe a little yard trailer or haul a motorcycle, but not a horse, a car, or anything actually considerable for that matter, you would fold the frame up and would never be able to stop it. That’s a ram 2500 btw, it will haul 10,000-15,000 lbs depending on how it’s configured. A unimog is more like a street legal tractor, love em, but it’s in a whole other class than this. Completely different use case, not really comparable. A new unimog probably cost 3x this truck as well.
That’s a ram 2500 btw, it will haul 10,000-15,000 lbs depending on how it’s configured.
That’s quite a bit more than a Golf’s 2t, the maximum you can get over here without it being a truck (and requiring a truck license) is 3.5t. 5t is medium lorry category… not pulling, that is, but hauling stuff themselves. If you order a load of bricks or such you generally don’t pick them up, they get delivered by whoever’s selling them with a lorry with a suitable crane.
And no a Unimog is not a street legal tractor, pretty much all tractors are street legal (as long as it’s harvesting season farmers get all kinds of road legality exemptions as long as they drive at snail speeds great-grandpa’s trailer that he pulled with horses is still legal). It’s an Autobahn-legal tractor and appliance carrier. Also drives on rail if equipped for it. And it’s Autobahn-legal by a wide margin, the minimum is 60km/h and they usually do 80 (in line with what lorries are allowed, everything over 3.5t total weight), you can get them with up to 110km/h.
I know exactly what a unimog is, I have drove one. And you are just talking semantics about the legality, here they are considered street legal, as they get a plate assigned. You can drive a tractor on the road but only for the purpose of transport to other fields on Maintence. They do not require a a tag, only a triangle. A basic license here covers all pickup trucks for private use, you only need a CDL for a really big trailer when you are working for hire, or a commercial truck over a certain size. It is kinda crazy to me how people can have 42 foot RVs here pulling a 40 foot double stacked enclosed trailer though with just a basic license though haha
My SUV’s towing capacity: 3500lbs
The car version of my SUV (built on the same platform, with the same engine and transmission and actually 4" longer), towing capacity: 2000lbs
Why? Suspension, not transmission.
The Golf you’re talking about has no official towing capacity in North America because North America is actually more strict about towing safety than Europe. I’ve towed with my Jetta though and anything past 1k lbs was a stretch.
A Unimog doesn’t hit highway speeds, they’re road legal farm vehicles.
Transmission oil coolers don’t require much space either and they’re required if you’re towing heavy loads with a manual transmission too, so packaging doesn’t change.
Before sharing your opinion as if it were a fact you should make sure you actually know what you’re talking about.
A Golf has a capacity of 1.5 to 2 tons. That’s more than your SUV. And no American safety standards aren’t higher than Europe’s. It’s just taken as a given that you drive differently when you’re towing something and not merging onto the Autobahn at 120km/h. That’s because we have driver ed and, in fact, you need an extra license to pull anything of any size.
I would never pull more than 1000 pounds with a golf. Irresponsible, unsafe, and unhealthy for the car itself.
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I really want to see this golf pulling 4400 lbs while not being a hazard to everyone on the road. Good luck climbing a hill on a busy highway without getting into an accident or shitting out pieces of transmission on the road.
That’s fucking insane, my “giant” 1/2 ton pickup is only book rated for pulling 5500 lbs.
Maximum load for a Golf is 2t, at least as built by VW. Maximum speed for trailers is usually 80km/h, 100 if they’re light and built for it (all those caravans).
Long story short: You’ll have no more trouble with hills than the trucks you’re stuck in the right lane with.
If you’re regularly pulling heavy stuff, say, horses, you want an Audi Q7 or such, 3.5t. But a Golf is perfectly adequate for a caravan or a couple of motorcycles. If you’re regularly pulling bricks or logs or whatnot… don’t. Lorries exist.
You try going 20km under the speed limit in Canada, and you’re going to get rear ended. If you can’t drive near the speed limit on level ground you are overloaded.
Your brakes, tires, suspension, motor, and transmission are not built for towing. You are going to cause an accident.
The brakes, tires, suspension, motor and transmission are rated for that load by the manufacturer.
Also what fucking speed limit, generally speaking. Lorries etc. still are limited to 80km/h on Autobahn stretches without speed limit that’s why the right lane is full of them, they’re not out there racing Veyrons. On rural roads you could come across a tractor that’s limited to 40km/h, quite a bit shy of the usual 100km/h limit. If your compatriots can’t deal with that I suggest introducing something like a scheme where people have to demonstrate that they can operate a motor vehicle before they’re allowed to do it on public roads. Call it a driving license or something.
Europe:
Golf towing capacity 1600kg
My SUV’s towing capacity 2400kg
And having towed with a manual Jetta I can confirm that only a moron would tow more than 500kg with a Golf and think they’re safe, and the Jetta is longer than the Golf so it’s actually more stable.
And yes, towing standards are more strict in North America (SAE J2807) vs Europe (determined by the manufacturer)
Automatic transmissions have shit torque out of the box
Absolute nonsense, the torque converter multiplies torque at low speed, so an automatic with the same gear ratios as a manual will have far more pulling power than a manual.
And a trans cooler is standard on pretty much any automatic vehicle.
Lol. Most tractors (tractor trailers) are automatic now. To say it needs to be manual otherwise it’s bad at hauling is quite possibly the most ignorant shit I’ve read around here in awhile.
Automatic transmissions are perfectly fine for hauling as long as it’s designed for it.
Genuinely curious, are they automatic or automated?
Tractors tend to have erm Lastschaltgetriebe dunno the English term. Transmissions that can shift under load, without dropping torque. With regards to what I said what’s important is whether they have a fluid coupling as that’s where torque losses and heat generation occur, and they generally don’t, they have dual clutches instead. You also see continuously variable transmissions, as well as plain old manual ones if you simply don’t need fancy.
Computer-automated clutches, sure, but that makes them computer-actuated manuals, not automatic as in something that can select gears in a purely mechanical fashion.
Coming back to Unimogs: Also, in principle tractor transmissions. Number of clutches can get involved because power takeoff points. From a driver’s experience they either shift completely automatically, or you select gears but the computer does the clutching, or, and this is something you don’t really see in tractors, you can also operate the clutch manually because it’s very useful in certain offroad situations. Mechanically, though, as said, they’re manual transmissions, hydraulically actuated, controlled by computer.
Do you know what a truck is used for? And the differences between a car and truck?
I’m starting to think everyone subbed here is mentally ill
Yes. Both cars fit the same amount of people but one driver is carrying a smaller package.
ayy lmao
I see you know the driver of the truck. 😈
Can you store up to 10 corpses on that Polo?
I’m against draining the tires of cars, but in cases like this I’d consider making an exception… if it’s a commercial vehicle, buddy should get it licensed as such.
Yet, only 1 tows my race car and comfortably fits my family.
So you’re saying you want TWO big and wasteful cars to fit the same amount of people as one small car?
I wouldn’t call my 911 big…
I wouldn’t call it a race car either. But I would call this whole thread your cry for attention.
🤷♂️ it’s a dumb comparison. Sorry I called it out I guess.
We get it, you come from a life of privilege, conspicuous consumption, and performative capitalism, you don’t need to keep repeating yourself
I run 85% of my house on solar, drive less than 1500 miles a year, and grow probably 20% of my food.
What do you do?
It’s about bumper height more than anything else
Depens if they are dead or alive. That truck could hold a lot or corpses.
While that’s very useful, generally the issue is that the corpses are on the outside of its chassis. I don’t know many pickup owners that take the full time to wrap the victim in a carpet and put it in the back each time they miss a crosswalk from poor hood visibility.
They can both hold the same number of people within their ashtrays.
That truck has a shit carrying capacity. Get a van for the job.
Well, not the same amount of people. The truck can only carry the same number of people, but only guys with small dicks.
You might be right about the passengers, but from a relatives point of view, only the pickup works for his line of work. I won’t go into details, but it involves transporting machines from site to site and using them there. His pickup is only used for work, he has a Volvo V60 as daily driver.
I see no problem with large cars as long as there is justifications for that specific vehicle.
I’m gobsmacked you haven’t been downvoted into the dirt for that remark.
This seems to be in a European city though
There’s a reason why the tradies here mainly use vans instead of big honking trucks like these - something small and covered is much easier and more useful on small streets and is also just much safer
Also I dunno, Australia seems to run just fine on utes
I fully agree with you. These kind of vehicles can be quite practical for quite a lot of usecases!
The one in question from the picture however, seems much more like what we germans call “Stadtpanzer” (City Tank) - a utility vehicle made for transporting heavy loads in uneven terrain being used for commuting in a City, whichs is in my point of view very much not justified.
Cool, how much can the Polo fit in the back? How much can it tow? What’s it’s off road capabilities?
Whether people actually use those capabilities is a different question, but these vehicles are in no way equal.
I’m seeing these in London now. Why are we importing the absolute worst of US transportation fucks ups?
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