My car is a 2024, and thank fuck it has knobs, dials, and switches.
Reject smart cars because they’re collecting your data and it will be used to increase your insurance rates.
Companies just use black boxes anyway lol
- Only if you drive in a way they can call unsafe
- There is one brand that will let you opt out of tracking, storing data, etc: Tesla.
Like your phone carrier, maps application developer, Facebook, and any other app with location data, isn’t actively trying to sell that info to as many paying customers as possible…
Is that huge touchscreen real?? looks it up
It is! Ugh, I hate it!
And if it breaks, good luck doing anything in your car such as changing temperature, fan speed, audio settings etc 🙃
Even crazier is when the central screen is also your speedometer and gear switch.
It’s crazy how much control is shoved into menus on the touchscreen.
If you’re pulled over for using an iPad while you’re driving you’ll get a ticket. But if you build the iPad into the car it’s somehow okay.
Nah, see, when you turn on the car’s iPad, it shows a pop-up telling you not to use it while driving, so it’s totally different.
You mean if you drive hands free as opposed to having a tablet being held by your car so you can use your hands on the wheel? You can mount an iPad in your car. Lol.
Why not have both
It is funny how car lovers pretend that cars aren’t just some blip in history that has existed for barely a human lifetime as a form of transportation for the masses.
I don’t think anyone says cars have existed forever. Strange take.
Interesting take.
Can I ask how long something must exist before we can love and appreciate it?
I still miss my old school flip phone, but mobile phones haven’t been a thing for half as long as cars so I guess I can’t be a technology lover?
You’re weird.
If only they were capable of offering phone stands. No, I don’t need your 4 foot, 500 gigalumen screen, just give me a place to put mine.
Agreed
Old man screams at clouds. 👴✊️☁️
Bellows. Loudly and aggressively.
The crazy thing for me is that apart from physical buttons, if car manufacturers actually just released models of 20-30 years ago as new launches, complete exterior and interior, they’d so well!
Edit - with just Bluetooth added but I’m cool with using a cassette adaptor of some sort. Also assuming the engines would be up to today’s emission standards. I mean just the shape and looks.
1989 Honda acty pickup 🙏🙏
When I was a kid I loved my dad’s 1987 Chrysler 5th Avenue. It was silver and had a plush red leather interior with high pile carpet. It was a poor man’s personal luxury car but it still felt like you were riding in style.
If you replaced the 318 V8 and three speed automatic with something more economical, I would absolutely drive something like that.
The old classic well-designed cars just had better taste. I agree with you, I’ve been saying the same thing for years! Design some of these hybrids or electric cars with the same good classic taste - they’d be great! Unfortunately the trend of today (not just with cars but with many objects) is poor taste.
Yup, just give me fuel efficiency upgrades and I’m happy. I don’t need anything fancy, I’m even happy to have roll windows.
Volkswagen in the 70s and 80s had three horizontal control levers for the heating on the center of the middle panel which you could push with one speedy gesture to the very right, and then the front window would get max heat and max air flow to defrost/to demoist very fast.
Was so intuitive and fast you didn’t think about it and never had to take your eyes from the road for. That was peak design in my eyes.
I recently bought a new car and I’m so glad that even though it’s very modern it doesn’t have a screen.
Being able to feel controls instead of having to look at them while driving is key, but some of you take this to Luddite levels.
Dear Lemmy and the fediverse as a whole.
Unless you have specifically read up about the labor rights of Luddites you really dont know what you are talking about when you throw the word Luddite around (I know I didn’t)
“[T]he Luddites did indeed understand the advantages which mechanization would bring,” Raymond Boudon, a sociologist at Paris-Sorbonne University, wrote in his Analysis of Ideology, citing the work of influential historian Lewis Coser. But “their machine-wrecking was an attempt to show the owners of the new textile mills that they were a force to be reckoned with, that they had a ‘nuisance value’. By acting in this way, their main objective was to gain concessions from the employers.”
The Luddites weren’t technophobes, then. They were labor strategists.
“This strategic interpretation of the Luddite movement is confirmed by the fact that the workers often destroyed only those machines which were turning out faulty goods,” Boudon wrote. “It was still true, of course, that a worker who went on strike could easily be replaced by somebody from the army of unemployed people willing to be strike-breakers, at a time when nascent trade-unionism was harshly suppressed. Since machine-breaking brought the factory to a halt, it was not only a functional substitute for striking, it was also much more effective.”
https://www.vice.com/en/article/luddites-definition-wrong-labor-technophobe/
Except the Luddites didn’t hate machines either—they were gifted artisans resisting a capitalist takeover of the production process that would irreparably harm their communities, weaken their collective bargaining power, and reduce skilled workers to replaceable drones as mechanized as the machines themselves. Their struggle has been tragically warped into a caricature when it is more relevant than ever.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2021/06/the-luddites-were-right
Welcome to lemmy. AI bad. Cloud bad. Screens bad. Tesla terrible. Ad-based monetization the literal devil. Paywalls, the devil’s brother.
Do any of those things have redeeming qualities?
Absolutely.
- AI can write boilerplate code and test cases with a failure rate so low that it saves a significant amount of time. It’s also good summarizing text, like a 1 month old back and forth support ticket. Probably other uses too, but those are the ones I use a lot.
- Cloud is a huge accelerator for any company that doesn’t want or can’t afford to hire dedicated experts. Plus for workloads with big peaks and valleys it is actually much cheaper.
- Screens show navigation, provide entertainment and allow changing complex setting much more easily than other UIs. (turning volume down is not a complex setting)
- Teslas have incredible performance per dollar (in a straight line) and are very fun to drive daily. Also their software and charging network are great. And are cheap to maintain (and to buy used).
- Ads allow content to be consumed without monetary exchange while still paying the workers creating that content in money instead of exposure.
- same for paywalls, journalism is very important for society and good journalists deserve a good paycheck. Paywalls allow to have well paid journalists without billionaires sponsoring (manipulating) and allowing people who don’t like ads to still have access to their work.
Get out of here with your nuance, don’t you realize you’re on the Internet?!
In all seriousness, thanks. I think what a lot of people tend to forget is none of these things are inherently bad. They’re just often misused and/or overused, typically due to the insatiable capitalist profit motive.
The main issue with these is their proponents have a lack of nuance.
AI has uses when it’s not being rammed down peoples throats or used to plagiarize content (personal assistant/home automation type stuff is the first that comes to mind - I’d like to eventually set up a locally-hosted LLM based alternative to Alexa to control my house so I’m not relying on an internet connection for everything).
Cloud is an essential part of a robust backup strategy, and makes it easier for the average person to create a web presence.
Tesla, being an EV company, is still an important interim solution to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions from ICE vehicles until (hopefully) better public transit infra is built so people don’t need to use cars as much. Not to mention it was the kick-starter for other vehicle companies to make EVs.
Ads and paywalls: People gotta eat. You want to consume content that someone produces as their job? Pay them. If you won’t someone else will, thus advertisements.
love how looking at phone screens is (rightfully) considered bad while driving, but then they just put a big fucking tablet on cars.
I hate how they don’t give you a choice in the matter… Just give me basic controls, then sell a bespoke android tablet that mounts in the car. I thought car companies love to push extras?
No no no, they only push “extras” that are already included in the car so they can charge more for doing nothing. This requires doing something.
But if it just mounts in the car they can’t tell you that you will need a new car because your built-in tablet doesn’t get updates anymore.
Except they could be pushing a new tablet every few years. Like you need this tablet to unlock full self driving
Why would you do that if you can instead sell people a whole new car?
Nah push it as the “hi-tech” package or some such nonsense, “way better than our base model with the old world knobs.” Comes just like in the pic, but have both models.
Then you can sell it for more money to the dumb dumbs and let the people who know what is good in life have that sweet knob action.
… I’M JUST SAYING.
Yup. You can move the levers to one extreme and blindly gauge where it’s supposed to be. Also: each of these things provide additional feedback (fan direction, speed, etc) so you don’t even need to memorize detents or positions for stuff.
I will say that the temp lever, over time, gets very sticky and hard to move. Other than that: it’s good design.
For our younger audience: this is from when the show Cheers was popular, that’s why there’s a “Norm” setting.
Pretty sure this was the exact control panel my mom’s 80s Ford Econoline van had.
That seems so GM
Admitely the better solution than the more modern featureless knob you have to look where it currently was.
That or a knob where you feel the position.
