the so called end-of-world “enshittification”: anonymized telemetry
good way to see who’s paranoid ngl
It’s not just that, it’s the AI bullshit they’re adding too that will absolutely have forced data scraping eventually since we’re “using their product.” They’ll have some bullshit excuse like “we don’t take your browsing data, just the data of any interaction with our AI product for training purposes.”
You know because…?
This blind hate of AI is also a great sorta red flag. Currently afaik it’s only for auto image captions and some not even released (?) feature. Not all AI is the hostile copyright ignoring AI like gpt and shit
The ai integration Firefox has so far is an offline translator which is good, actually
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Wuh oh, I’m OOTL here, what’s happening to Firefox?
Nothing. People have been memeing about it’s death for 10 years.
I had another reply that gave a decent reason to support the meme :)
Nothing. Lemmy hates Firefox for some reason. It’s getting old and boring seeing these posts. You can disable all the telemetry crap and anything else you want in the about:config. The fact that they let you do this automatically makes it better than most other browsers.
They’ve been making announcements indicating that they’re going to start focusing on chatbot/AI/LLM bullshit instead of what they should be doing, which is maintaining their web browser.
🤮
Welp
There’s also the news of them forcing opt-out only on tracking today or yesterday
Then there was the news that they fired one of their open source executives because he had the audacity to get cancer
Then the news that they (Mozilla) acquired an ad company because “we’re built different and we can fix her and totally not get corrupted by ads in the process”
Also the AI shit as commented
Oh and then the news where they almost sucked Putins dick and pulled FF from being accessible in Russia for a day or 2
And a bunch of other stuff that I’m probably forgetting about. And that’s just within the last year
Well I guess I need to start looking for another non-chromium-based browser soon…
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Joke’s on you, Safari.
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I’m using opera (though it’s GX to be fair) and it’s still great to me. What did they do?
Opera died a long time ago, they no longer use their own browser engine. Nowadays they are just a Chromium skin with Chinese spyware
In my opinion, I see it as they making misleading advertising, collexting data and supposedly sending it to the CCP, and having a generaly bloated browser.
Others said it’s spyware, but they are also loan scammers.
I honestly don’t know what data this browser exfiltrates, or what else malicious it might do, but I don’t trust anyone this shady to run proprietary code on my devices. Scammers rarely respect any kind of boundaries.
Wow I didn’t know about this, very blatant.
Since you asked
It’s a proprietary closed source flavor of chrome which supports google’s monopoly and does not respect your privacy or freedom.
Here is some quick info if you’re interested: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/opera
https://digdeeper.club/articles/browsers.xhtml
https://digdeeper.club/articles/liftingtheveil.xhtml
If you don’t like that I’d suggest looking at librewolf (firefox/gecko based) or ungoogled chromium (chromium based)
There will be no improvement with browsers until the introduction of one with a strong copyleft license.
doesn’t gpl exist? its quite strong.
I’m curious, how would copyleft license improve the quality of browser development? That is really about funding and management.
Don’t Firefox and Chromium already have that?
Chromium is fully entrenched. “strong copyleft”? Even Microsoft bent to the will of Chromium. And Firefox is just a silly thing where people like me hang on
If I remember correctly it’s under a copy left license which makes sense given it’s ultimately a derivative of KHTML.
KHTML is a discontinued browser engine that was developed by the KDE project. It originated as the engine of the Konqueror browser in the late 1990s, but active development ceased in 2016. It was officially discontinued in 2023. Built on the KParts framework and written in C++, KHTML had relatively good support for Web standards during its prime. Engines forked from KHTML are used by most of the browsers that are widely used today, including WebKit and Blink
Yes, blink is the engine Chromium uses. Since KHTML was an open source project any project based on it will have to be open source, unless of course it’s just used as a library. Even in that case though blink the engine is forced to be open source even if the browser as a whole isn’t. GNU licenses are considered infectious because anything containing any GNU code automatically and legally becomes open source. So KHTML being unmaintained is irrelevant.
I’ve left Firefox twice now and come back. It’s still far less shitty than the other main options.
oh well time to get back into the gemini protocol
It’s been going for years now. We just don’t want to move away because, frankly, there’s little viable alternatives.
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Some people are working on ladybird atleast. And gnome web preforms decent
Some people are working on ladybird atleast.
Another permissively licensed toy.
Video Streaming on Gnome Web is a mess. Especially on YouTube. And It’s still lacking addons.
Very manageable though. Probably easier to fix then Mozilla’s enshitification
safari? but it only comes on mac and apple devices (OK not a good idea for a question)
Until people are donating enough money to make maintaining an open source browser doable, this will continue to happen.
The chair-person makes 2.5 million a year…
It think the problem might be they have too much money…
The thing is that we need a better donation system, for people to trust it.
An auditable system, and goal oriented.
I’m tired of donating to something and seeing that instead of the good project I wanted my money went to some crazy side project or to some over the top salaries for high corporate.
We need some kind of trustable platform that audits where donation money goes, and enforces binding of the donated money for the purpose it was donated for.
I got really burned with the whole wikiMedia thing. And since them I’m very cautious to who I donate to.
Look at these numbers and tell me with a straight face that chrome is dead.
why did you think anyone would say would chrome is dead… oh youre a troll
no, I’m an idiot with bad eyesight and enough experience to expect that most people are even dumber than I am.
bad eyesight? LOL
Meme says it’s shitty, not dead
that actually makes more sense, my bad
It’s not dead. It’s just the default option for boomers.
It’s like Internet Explorer or Netscape. It exists so you csn download something better.
I don’t think you fully understand just how much the ‘default’ is. Between edge and chrome it’s the default for everything.
Introducing children to the Internet? Chrome. Old folks? Chrome. businesses? Chrome (sometimes edge). Personal use for 90% of people? chrome.
(also edge is used to install something better which again, for 90% of people, is chrome.)
Don’t think it’s talking about “death” just enshitification
Side note: gotdamn firefox is less than 3.0% According to the same website, Linux is at 4.5% marketshare. It’s rarer to use firefox than linux (I’m on iceweasel btw)
we should get a Great Unclean One photoshopped in then
“It’s dead to me” is the meme here like adobe still kicking but it’s not very liked after the controversies is it now?
Read the meme better
thanks, the however-many comments before you that said the same thing didn’t get through to me, but yours totally did!
Ok I’m probably just a simpleton who doesn’t get it…but is this comic really suggesting that HTML5 I’d a negative thing, and worse, is the drumbeat of a tyrannical web?
I mean really…HTML5 is one of the best things to happen to the Web and the W3C is imo the essential glue holding things together.
Browser inconsistencies are so few and far between now it makes building an inclusive Web much easier, you can almost do it by accident.
Ben Garrison is a right-wing idiot. He doesn’t know jack about much of anything.
Ben garrison comic without any reference to cum?
You just made the reference meta.
Time to start using my Mullvad browser sigh.
I dont mean to hate on Mullvad, but its got its problems too - mainly because it seems to be too unknown even to admins maintaining different services, bringing problems to its everyday use.
I tried to start using Mullvad as my daily driver, but had to go back to FF because so many of our university’s and its affliated services wouldnt work with it at all or would make it a pain to do simple tasks with all the shit web ui -services, portals and their logins that is the modern academia/work environment.
Well, at least I educated about 4 service admins about the existence of Mullvad before going grudgingly back to FF, or rather with these past years controversies, SusFox.
Noooooo.
I like my Extensions.
The internet isn’t worth having without Ublock, Ghostery, Scriptmonkey, etc.
ADGUARD FOR DESKTOP! NEXT DNS! USERSCRIPTS CAN BE LOADED INTO ADGUARD!
Sorry…I have Tourette’s
You don’t have a problem. You have a passion.
Online advertising is malware!
This but unironically.
It’s also technically terrorism.
i like the cut of this jib. But Firefox has for years been literally behind Microsoft on sidebar vertical tab browsing. Wasn’t it Firefox to make browser tabs mainstream?
they’re still working on it though, right ?
Check out Sidebery, it’s a vertical tab extension.
i’ve been using tree style tab for many years now. works great. I’m just confused why it isn’t native to firefox. kind of like why hasn’t VLC incorporated a dark mode with the classic interface? AH! I love open source software, not kidding.
can’t wait for lady bird browser
can’t wait for the servo browser engine
you can already build it, fairly featured
Same
Lynx is still here for you.
Lynx bros and gals, unite! ✊️
You are not alone… there is me and this dude above
Did you post this from Lynx?
It does not support JS, which as I understand, locks me out of lemmy. I may be wrong.
No, you’re not. I’ve been looking for a CLI way of posting on lemmy for quite a while.
So far, without success.
This process has been underway since the project switched their focus from the Mozilla Suite to Firefox. Early Firefox was lightweight with limited features and the idea that you would add your own as extensions for the features you wanted. Then it started gaining traction and the Mozilla developers started forcing features in that should’ve been extensions. It’s been downhill ever since!
Can confirm, this is accurate.
Even better, they took actual extensions and made them built-in and impossible to remove. The work was already done to keep a lightweight browser with extra features in option, and they reverted it.
A few months ago people would have still downvoted your comment, but the message has made it to everyone now. Mozilla and with that Firefox is an endangered species that needs to be steered back into safety.
Fucking Pocket.
