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A picture of a hand holding remote car keys pointed at a white pickup truck. Below that is the text:
In the US, 75% of truck owners tow only once a year or less. Nearly 70% of them go off-road once a year or less. Additionally, 35% of truck owners haul something in their truck beds once a year or less
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Feeling good about my mid sized truck in the mountain west. Haul weekly, trailer monthly, off road monthly, at least (remote trailhead access)
I don’t know what I couldn’t do which would necessitate one of the huge new full sized trucks, aside from towing construction equipment or line a shit ton of welding gear or live stock. The number of people who do THAT must be microscopic
Towing really. Have more than one quad to transport? Full pickup, one quad in the box and the other in a trailer, or one bike and a camper etc…
And it is because of these people that I have to custom order a poverty spec work truck, because manufacturers will only send dealers 100k “family trucks” with fancy nonsense
man I miss the s-10 form factor. now everything is absurdly huge.
Used to drive a five speed Ranger for work. I loved it.
The old Rangers were the epitome of trucks that get shit done.
I have a 3rd gen Tacoma and it is HUGE for a “small” truck. I miss actual small trucks (I also miss hoods that were lower and slanted forward in a way that you could actually kind of see over).
Horse shit, you want a base Colorado? I’ll get you one 8% off MSRP. I’ll only charge $1000.
All while the US actively outlaws small cars.
But they don’t
But they do, a lot of Kei trucks and cars are banned because they can’t stand up to an accident with a 10,000lb (not an exaggeration) hummer.
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Kei cars have been banned in Massachusetts, Georgia, Maine and New York with restrictions in Alabama and Arkansas.
Ah! Well I stand corrected.
Edit: looks like they’ve rescinded the ban, at least in MA.
Not to mention the 25 year delay on new Kei cars
I would say more like actively discourages small cars by encouraging large vehicles and allowing them lower standards (emissions etc)
While I don’t tow more than 2 or 3 times per year, I like to daydream about owning a boat. I need to be able to tow one to imagine I could own one some day.
Here’s a video of a Miata launching a boat at a ramp.
https://youtu.be/JvA0ctoUD4AWhy not just keep it in a marina where you want to use the boat? Not snarky, genuine question since I don’t know much about boat ownership.
Generally pretty damn expensive, as with pretty much everything related to boats
Nice!
Why don’t you post the original source for this data.
You won’t because it’s shitty data.
I’m going to get responses, if any, to a 2013 phone survey for 1000 people that splits users with shitty questions or a REFERENCE 2018 to a 2018 axios study but not the data because it’s only sold and under copyright. Even looking at the questions I’m nearly certain OP is talking about the first.
I tow 12 times a year. But I don’t go off road. Ohhhh and look now I’m contributing to your shitty mutually exclusive population splits.
You are parroting rage engagement bait and being manipulated.
Prove me wrong .
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Mate, you’re the arsehole who started out blasting someone for a source (which was provided, btw) for a meme sharing some generally well-known stats (in the sense that it’s generally well-known that most drivers of yank tanks rarely use them for serious work that requires such a large vehicle, even if the specific numbers aren’t known). If you don’t want people like @[email protected] to use weak emotional flame towards you, maybe don’t start with the same.
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This is rude to everyone, not just the person you have a bug up your ass about.
The source was provided over 2 weeks ago now. If you don’t want to read it that’s fine, but don’t go whinging about a lack of sources.
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I own a cast iron pan, but I only bake 15% of the meals I cook in said pan.
I am such a huge disgrace for not needing to utilize my tools every time I cook.
Gonna go microwave something in my cast iron so I can be cool like everyone here.
But do you only use your cast iron pan once a year or less?
I’d say about 35% of the time actually.
Theres A difference between a pan lying around in your lockers and a 3t vehicle driving around on public streets and putting people who walk at risk to be run over, because you don’t see shit.
Your usage rate is like literally a hundred times that of the stats listed (assuming they’re true). The vast, vast majority of truck owners would be better off with a regular car and renting a truck from Home Depot, Uhaul, or whatever local business does that sort of thing.
Your cast iron pan isn’t driving you to use a shitload of extra fuel (electricity or natural gas) in this case, while it hangs on your wall waiting to be used.
But having a giant truck instead of a low-pollution economy car does exactly that. Imagine if you had to lug your cast iron pan on your back everywhere you went. (Say if we were still migratory, as a society.) Then you’d be rethinking your cast-iron pan choices, if lighter options were available.
Emotional support trucks are much like emotional support guns. The only thing they’re supporting (other than facilitating rampage killers and suicides) are emotions.
TBF, because I think about this sort of thing, yes, here in the states, our boys are trained that they have to keep up manly appearances, we worship sports figures and deride intellectual prowess as super-villainy material, and these are issues for which ES Trucks and Guns (and rampage killings) are a symptom.
But you get to own the libs every day so it evens out.
Saw a truck the other day with Harris and Coexist stickers and was so confused.
I imagine it’s pretty much the same in UK - a lot of the people using them for work might be better off with a small van.
But then, they don’t look ‘manly’ do they?
What does a van offer that a small truck wouldn’t? Other than opportunity for passengers. Since its a work vehicle passengers isn’t generally a concern since basically anything you can buy can handle atleast 2 people. Covered space? Get a cap. Need more Clearance for a fridge you intend on plugging in right away? take the cap off. Over sized item in more ways than one like a couch or bed? you can drop and remove the tailgate. I have yet to see a small van that can be all that customizable?
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You can down vote but you should add to the discussion. Can we get the numbers on people that have vans and aren’t using them to capacity or carrying anything. How about the amount that drive passenger cars that are driving 2+ occupant but serves no more utility than a bicycle that’s faster.
To add to the numbers my house hold has a 4 door sedan and a pickup. But we are dual income with no kids. What should I drive instead? so I live 30 miles from work because who is so lucky to work next door and wife is 20 miles fron work. I also do things like move fire wood and mow lawns and… Really do you want a list of all the things I would have to rent a truck for? I have a cap for my bed and have pulled it to move larger stuff. Just because you dont have to do a thing or have a thing or what ever… Doesn’t mean there is t a use case which doesn’t involve using someone else’s and just using your own.
What does a van offer that a small truck wouldn’t?
A much, much higher degree of safety. Because vans don’t typically have those absurdly high and long bonets that make it so you could run over multiple children without even seeing them there.
My 98 ranger is lower than all of those…
We can fix the truck problem by making health insurance cover penis enlargements. If they have more of a dick maybe they will be less of a dick.
I haul, tow, go off road more frequently in my Yaris.
Yeah, but that’s a quality car, that doesn’t count.
Just an example of when folks think they need a truck, most often what they really need/want is a fucking trailer hitch.
Excluding childish hotwheel fantasies, of course.
I have a work truck that I beat the hell out of. Go off road and hit 4 wheel drive 3-4 times per week. I haul 1000-1,500 lbs of gear everywhere for around 4 months of the year. I tow daily for 2-3 months of the year and up 1-2 times per month the rest of the time. My cab is full of gear (it’s basically my mobile office).
Guess what I hop into and drive every chance I get? The small SUV I own. It is much easier to drive, park, go shopping in etc. It takes a lot more more effort to drive the larger vehicles.
If I could swing it I would turn my 1/2 ton work truck in for one of those new small trucks. Unfortunately the weight that I am moving is too much for them. So I am stuck with the large truck.
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I own a station wagon, a suburban, and previously a truck. When I owned the truck it was full of shit or hauling stuff constantly. I sold it the moment I didn’t need it. The suburban replaced it because I refuse to put my dogs in the bed while towing the boat to go camping. The wagon is a people hauler because it’s payload is too low most of the time.
There are quite a few people in this world who actually use their trucks. I also completely hate seeing people who own trucks but don’t use them.
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Or if they’re a tradesman of some kind, a van
Would have loved one of those sprinter vans when I did field work, used our utility trailer a lot, but something with a small workbench, lighting and conveniently located inverters would have been amazing.
That does sound like an incredible alternative to drying herbarium vouchers in a hotel with a hair drier (my field work)
The estate car is the ideal car for 80% of all drivers, a hatchback is ideal for 15% of all drivers.
I used to have a Chevy Sonic and I hauled so much stuff in that car, full size fridges, front load washing machines, lumber, 14" canoe. Summer and winter offroading at a solar farm jobsite for the province of Ontario, prolly 2-4km deep
Why do I keep getting recommended this sub. Wtf is this place even for?? Is it hating on cars or hating on car owners??
WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS PLACE TO BEGIN WITH???
A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let’s explore the bad world of Cars!
From the sidebar. If you don’t like it, block the community instead of complaining and typing in full caps with excessive punctuation like some boomer on Facebook.
Also you can’t get miffed at me for supposedly “Complaining” about the point of the community
Deadass the title is fuckcars. 90% of everyone here is complaining about something jerkass
Its always Anti-“Insert topic” subs that, when I ask why they exist and what’s the point, people immediately insult me instead of either going “Myeh we don’t all just hate on cars here, just specific things like ‘Insert specific things’” or just answering the question. Its always “WELL IF YA DON’T LIKE IT GET OUT!”
Maybe it is the caps, but I never badmouth anyone or anything when I ask, Im just super confused and wanna understand. But I get told to fuck off.
All you’re doing by commenting here is telling the algorithm you like to engage with this community, therefore you will keep seeing it more, and complaining more, thus telling the algorithm you like engaging with the community etc.
I told you to block the community because you don’t enjoy it, that’s all.
You insulted me while saying that. thats why I keep commenting. Not to mention the other assholes that keep doing the same!
You cant give someone decent advice and then straight up mock/insult me and just expect people to be chill with that type of shit. I even said “What if there’s something here I DO actually find interesting” I still got made fun of for it. Regardless the “Algorithm”, it doesn’t do shit ti cater to my interest anyways! I’ve been here for months! And I KEEP getting recommended Linux and programming memes. I dont even program! Thats just all this place keeps offering me!
Again, you keep commenting on these things so you keep getting offered them and you seem to think blocking communities to curate your experience is in some way an insult to you?
I likened you to a group of people on a social media platform doing exactly what you do. You are straight up using verbally offensive insults against me.
I’ve been patient enough with you as it is. I will use the block feature to curate my experience now and rid myself of your nonsense.
This dude is weird.
> Barges into public conversation
> Refuses to read the room
> Asks why would anyone be against this
> Elaborates by insulting people who are just living their lives
> Refuses to leave, says they won.
You have issues man. You really do. Never did I say I won. You gotta hop off the fuckin internet my guy.
When the fuck did I ever say I won??
I even explained I have fucking autism you dipstick?? Read the rest of the replies here, plenty of other people kindly explained it to me better than you did cus you were just generally being a dick.
I’m now imagining someone doing this same thing at a funeral and honestly it’s pretty amusing.
Jesus fuck, you didn’t have to go and insult me. The sidebar was enough but even then I still don’t understand wtf the point of the sub at all or why it’s constantly recommended to me. :/
I use a buncha caps and punctuation all the time cus im autistic, it’s in all my comments and posts; for me it’s like I’m putting my thoughts as they are on the screen. So if I wanna scream or emphasize somethin then I put it in all caps.
I don’t really like having to block whole ass communities like that, cus what if there IS an interesting post I see from there?? I like just being able to tell Lemmy “Hey, stop showing me this” instead of blocking.
And im not even complaining really I just:
A. dont understand what this post is trying to tell me.
B. what this has to do about cars being bad.
C. Why fuckcars is the only one shown to me and not something else like Anti-child or Anti-work or anti-anything else.
And the sidebars are often useless compared to the actual behavior of the community. Scrolling the comments, it’s just a lotta people going “Yea I know a guy who ALWAYS drives his truck with stuff in it, fukin chump.” and some (Seemingly) sour attitudes towards truck drivers for carrying a buncha stuff in their trucks.
tldr
The TLDR: “I don’t understand the point of this place and since I can’t read, this place sucks.”
Every comment here is “Why do you wanna do that?!” And then it’d explained and they double down or ignore it.
And I did read it. But your stupid ass doesn’t wanna read what I HAVE to say! And you have the balls to call me ignorant? Fuck off. Blocked.
But your stupid ass doesn’t wanna read what I HAVE to say! And you have the balls to call me ignorant? Fuck off. Blocked.
Bye, I don’t wanna deal with someone who barges into a conversation, questions everything and nothing at the same time, and then says people talking about it are too confusing until people take hours explaining it.
I actually had someone else explain it better to me. Cheers.
I was made fun of/mocked. When asking FURTHER QUESTIONS you continue to be a dick and insult me. I never fucking doubled down on anything aside from the fact that this some parts community just feels judgmental asf to outsiders.
I wanted to learn MORE about the community, to understand it. The side bar didn’t answer all the questions I had. I didnt come here to fucking attack you or anyone else here. I don’t hate this place either, but it is a fact that some people here, LIKE YOU just aren’t tolerant of others. I came to lemmy to get away from that typa shit.
I never said this place fucking sucked. thanks for putting words in my mouth.
Thanks for the concise translation.
It’s to promote and advocate for alternatives to car dependence.
What alternatives?? Every post here is either complaining about roads, traffic, or specific cars?? I have yet to see someone go “Ah, just finished a bike run! Feeling real good!”
Because car infrastructure is totally dominant. There are some posts about advocating for busses, trains, or bike lanes. Most users are in the US though where car dependence is strongly built into the system.
You can only make so many posts saying how much better trains or busses are at moving people though. It gets old fast. There’s a lot more ways to joke about how much it sucks that we are required to use cars, and how shitty certain large vehicles in particular are.
Oh…
Well what about the post above?? I don’t understand what these statistics even are or why they’re even important? Who made the image and what for?
sorry if im asking a buncha questions, im just confused is all :<
Basically, trucks take up a disproportionate amount of our infrastructure budget and provide disproportionately little. If the same money was spent on infrastructure for car alternatives everyone would be better off. It sucks that society has prioritized them over everyone else.
Thank you
It’s actually mainly about hating car-dependent infrastructure. The stuff that makes cities impossible to conveniently get around unless you’re in a car, because cycling distances are too far and force you to mix with fast-moving cars due to lack of separated paths. And public transport is expensive and slow, if it exists at all, because cities choose not to invest in it and even if they wanted to it’d be more expensive for them than if cities were planned better.
Or if you’re like my neighbor you live in a town house and never tow anything and never use the bed for anything.
I have 4 acres of land and I tow my mower down to my land every weekend to clean up. So I use my truck all the time for towing and I also haul things at least once a month. Not all truck owners do it just for the truck. If I didn’t need a truck I wouldn’t own one.
Then congratulations, this meme isn’t about you so maybe you don’t need to feel attacked yeh?
Which is why you aren’t the target of the meme. It’s the city dwellers who never leave the city but have a 2 ton pickup that barely fits in the narrower, low speed lanes in cities and take up 2-4 compact parking spots who are the target.
Are you the neighbor? Weird spot to defend yourself, here, unless you were the neighbor in question.
Meanwhile europe where you see people with renault twingos do more with their cars.
I get timber/PIR/plasterboard from the builders merchant, and also take that plus garden waste to the tip, 10+ times per year, in a 4 seat car that weighs under 1 tonne.
Anything truly massive, they just deliver it to me.
The day I discovered that a 2.4m 6*2 would fit inside was a very good day.
As was the one I bought roof bars.Heck people carry more on their bicycles that many ever carry on their trucks.
Actually true lol. I see people here with trailer thingies for their bicycles and they carry stuff with it. It probably has the same bed size as the newest “ford f-550 ultra extreme plus carbon dioxide poisoning engine from cruise ship edition”
Imagine riding your bike every day with the trailer attached just for the odd day every other month when you need to carry something. That’s truck brain logic.
okay but I actually do this with my panniers and those suckers add a lot of drag
I regurarly carry some tools and some small boxes strapped to the panier rack of my ebike. Lol.
I got a 2004 Silverado 1500 and I couldn’t be happier with it. It’s not a giant penile enhancement. Its just a normal sized truck. I use it as a daily driver and grocery getter. But when I need a truck to haul shit I got it.
