• @Donjuanme@lemmy.world
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      But then the person behind her would just wait to move at all until she’s made it through, the line would continue to grow backwards and each next person would have further to walk, and have to have better prediction times/cause longer waits at the service till.

  • @DaddleDew@lemmy.world
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    I once got berated by a Costco employee for ducking under the queue ropes instead of zigzagging my way through. There was no one in the queue. Sometimes society needs more logical thinking.

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      Costco thends to groom their employes into becomig assholes or at least very dogmatic since their management seems to be cartoonishly rigid.

    • @Laticauda@lemmy.ca
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      Did you touch or move the queue ropes when you did this? Cause I worked at a movie theatre in the past and while we didn’t really care if people ducked under the ropes without touching them, if they pushed them up or unhitched them or grabbed them too hard then they often broke them because they didn’t realize how delicate they could be, especially if they’re older or already damaged but not quite damaged enough to replace yet. They would also often push them out of line a little bit, which adds up after a while and forced us to re-adjust them, which is kind of annoying when we keep having to fix them over and over again after busy times of the day. So after a point we just told people not to duck under them or try to go through them at all, just to avoid the possibility of them fucking the queue lines up in some way because we couldn’t exactly predict who would or wouldn’t touch something while attempting it. Obviously one person isn’t going to do much but you wouldn’t have been the only person who would have tried it that day by a long shot.

      • @DaddleDew@lemmy.world
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        I just ducked under. Maybe my back brushed against it when I did so but that was it. They were steel chains too if I remember well so it’s not like I was going to break something. She claimed that “I could have gotten hurt” which is complete nonsense and I’m pretty sure that she made it up.

        There is a certain type of person who when they see someone do something that is different from what they are used to they feel the urge to self-righteously stop it and will invent all sorts of excuses to justify themselves doing so. They’re the kind of people who call the cops on kids playing in a skate park. I’m pretty sure that was one of them.

        • @Laticauda@lemmy.ca
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          I mean it’s also entirely possible that it’s the policy of the store and she was just trying to do her job, just saying.

    • @Pulptastic@midwest.social
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      That happened to me at the Atlanta airport. Security person saw and told me “I’ll send you to the back of the line!”, I said “I AM the back of the line!”

      • @DaddleDew@lemmy.world
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        Technically they were chains. It was back in the COVID times where they could only allow a certain number of people in the store at a time.

  • @zuhayr@lemmy.world
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    Yep. that’s me too. also, i dont stand up while the aircraft is still taxi’ing. It doesn’t save you any time, folks!

    • @Badass_panda@lemmy.world
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      If you don’t stand up, how well you needlessly block the aisle on the off chance of stopping someone sitting further up the plane than you from getting off? Come on!

    • @Tavarin@lemmy.ca
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      Gotta stretch the legs man, I get knee pain sitting in airplane seats. Stand up to relieve it as soon as I can.

    • @STUPIDVIPGUY@sopuli.xyz
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      Some people are impatient, and some people just need to stretch the legs. Overall I just ignore what people around me choose to do after the landings and wait until everybody in front of me is clear.

  • @samus12345@lemmy.world
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    Behaving rationally in a society means taking into account other people, as that’s literally what a society is. This is irrational and selfish behavior.

  • @terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Standing in line is where society breaks down. It’s a weird thing I enjoy; standing in line and observing those around me. I encourage anyone to try it. Just watch, and you’ll start to see patterns of a handful or so of the same types of people.

    • @Siegfried@lemmy.world
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      Today we voted in argentina. I had to wait in line for like 20 to 25 min… not great, not terrible. 5 mins in, someone in my queue started complaining about how we can’t even manage a school for an ellection (the queues where a mess everywhere) and we are voting to ellect a president… I mean, he was right but still, save something for the end of the day

    • @EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works
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      You are? Great. Raiders stole my [radiantQuestItemTierOne]. Here, I’ll mark it in your map. Please hurry, it is very important to me.

  • @MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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    I do this with traffic. People edge their cars forward and I’ll just sit there.

    Where are you going? The light isn’t any less red.

    • @solstice@lemmy.world
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      I always stop at intersections even if the light is green when it is clear that there’s nowhere to go because traffic is backed up to a standstill. Where I come from people would honk at you and then pass you so that they can get stuck in the intersection and cause a traffic jam, then they give you the finger and scream at you out the window like its your fault. Savages

      • @Mesa@programming.dev
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        “I like to unnecessarily contribute to traffic.”

        Have you ever considered that this extends the backup for those behind you? That it actually does take time for your car to decelerate when you’re stopping at the green light, in addition to the fact that it takes more time for multiple cars to pull off in series per car than just one? How about stop trying to be quirky and just go through the green light like a normal person?

        • @Pregnenolone@lemmy.world
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          ???

          In almost every jurisdiction on earth, you aren’t allowed to block an intersection. OP is doing the right thing by waiting on the other side of the intersection for space to move into. If anything they’re avoiding traffic by not blocking the tangent lane of cars at the next light.

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            Exactly. I’ve been fucked far too many times by the behavior the guy above you is condoning. People who block intersections are as much a part of the traffic problem as weavers, left lane cruisers, tailgaters, cutters, and all the jerks who deny zipper merging.

          • @Mesa@programming.dev
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            Valid. I missed the getting blocked into the intersection part because that feels like a given. Why even say anything at that point? It’s a very mundane thing to say that you follow the rules of the road.

            That’s on me for looking for the argument before reading to understand.

        • @indepndnt@lemmy.world
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          Have you ever considered that in most places it’s literally illegal to block an intersection, and that if there is not space to proceed through the intersection you’re supposed to stop before it?

    • @Tangent@lemmy.world
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      Where am I going? To make room for people trying to clear the intersection behind me. Failing to pull forward means they’re either stuck on the far side for another cycle of the light or they’re going to block the intersection. With really busy intersections leaving those big gaps can make a huge impact on traffic trying to get through the one behind you.

      • @MooseBoys@lemmy.world
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        Even more fundamental than signal cycles, you’re moving out of the way for people still driving forward behind you. Creating gaps in traffic is what causes spontaneous traffic jams behind you that can last for hours.

    • @derpysmilingcat@lemmy.world
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      The problem with this is if it’s a long enough line, there could be a persom trying to get into a turning lane and they can’t because you have a big ass gap between you and the car in front. That means the person could miss their light because they can’t get over.

      It’s fine if you look behind you and you’re not cutting someone off from a light or turning.

      • @yokonzo@lemmy.world
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        If I can’t get in the turning lane I’m sitting behind the last person who is, most people in my state recognize this as totally fine and will deal with the lane blockage

      • @MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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        I agree. I try to keep my situational awareness at very high levels while I’m behind the wheel, so in high density traffic, I’m looking for issues exactly like you describe. I’ll move if there’s enough room to move into and I see something that might be solved simply by moving (or I’m unable to rule out that it won’t help, due to being unable to see enough).

      • @MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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        I don’t live or drive in areas where the traffic is so dense and the spacing of the lights is so short that this is a problem.

        I tend to notice, frequently, if there’s any issues like this in my immediate area, like blocking a laneway or people getting stuck in an intersection or behind it, and I react accordingly… Sometimes packing myself against the car in front of me, far closer than I normally would to try to fix such problems behind me. I’m sure I don’t notice 100% of the time, but I’ll notice an issue and creep forward to less than a foot to the vehicle in front of me, to make space so the person behind can move to clear a laneway where someone is stuck, only to have the person behind me not notice that I’ve moved, and continue blocking the laneway.

        I’m pragmatic about it. If there’s no good reason to shift forwards, I will probably just wait where I am. Once the light goes green though, I’ll close the gap pretty quickly.

    • @garibaldi_biscuit@lemmy.world
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      This is a real pain in the ass if you drive manual:

      Auto cars relax pressure on brake pedal to inch forward;

      Manual cars take foot off brake, drop clutch, engage gear, engage clutch, move forward, drop clutch and engage brake again, gear to neutral, foot off clutch.

      I’m sure all this inching forward happened a lot less when most cars were manual (Europe).

      • @MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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        I feel this pain. I’m a MT driver, it’s part of the reason I’m very pragmatic about when I creep forward… If I’m going to move forward just a little bit, I’m going to need a pretty good reason to do so; thus I try to be very observant to what’s going on around me, specifically regarding if the gap in front of my is negatively affecting the movement of vehicles in my immediate area, like blocking laneways or slip lanes, etc. If I’m not creating a problem with where I am, I don’t bother moving.

      • @PreachHard@lemmy.world
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        Idk if it’s ok to do but I’ve always just: keep it in first and clutch + brake -> bite on the clutch and swap to accelerator a smidge to move forward in traffic. Doesn’t bother me much tbh but I’ve never driven an automatic so idk if I’m missing out.

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          I’m also a MT driver. I’ve driven my fair share of AT’s though. With an AT, it’s always pushing forward, so the brake is actually working against the idle force of the engine, so simply releasing the brake causes forward movement.

          I too sit at most lights while standing on the clutch and brake while in first. It’s the MT “ready to go” stance to me. For very long lights, I’ll kick it into neutral and take my foot off the clutch, but for the most part, in active traffic, I’ll just stand on it, because the light usually isn’t long enough for me to reposition that much…

          It’s far easier to do as you say, as a veteran of MT driving, newbies will struggle, as they do. To be fair, I’d do the same as you, but I’m still very pragmatic about when I do it.

          • @PreachHard@lemmy.world
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            Yeah it’s definitely a different kettle of fish when you’re on a hill in traffic and swapping to the handbrake constantly, I think that’s where newbies really struggle.

            I’ve only been driving since 2012 so I wouldn’t call myself a veteran since I know a few delivery drivers and the difference in experience is unreal lol

            • @MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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              That’s probably around when I got behind the wheel of my first standard, and I’ve driven a MT car as my main, daily driver, ever since. And I drive most days for at least 30 minutes a day any day I drive.

              You’re probably better than you give yourself credit for. By no means am I a perfect MT driver, but I can definitely drive manual very adequately, at least as well as I can drive an AT vehicle, which is what I learned on in the mid 2000’s. I had the benefit of 5+ years of driving before I started with a MT vehicle, then drove nothing but manual for over 10 years.

              15 years of driving + 10 of that being on a manual, means I’m very much not new at it.

    • @Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world
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      Agree if you are talking about people who edge over the line at the front of the queue but leaving massive gaps between you and whoever is in fro t causes issues further back.

      You could be creating a block at a joining road behind you. You could be blocking a filter lane for traffic making a left/right turn from a dual carriageway.

      Just move your car forward and remember that you dont know what issues your decision might cause and its a little self entitled to assume everyone else is just waiting in the same line as you.

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        Oh, certainly if it’s a significant gap, more than a car length more than I would normally stop, I’ll shift forwards, especially in high density situations (if nobody is behind me and I’m not blocking a laneway, then I’ll probably just sit there).

        Something to add to the consideration is that I drive standard, so moving a small amount is a lot more difficult for me than most drivers, and takes more active effort. Most AT drivers just release the brake for a few seconds and they can close the gap. I have to release the clutch and possibly press the throttle to ensure the engine doesn’t stall… Etc.

        I’ll still do it, but my tolerance for a gap in front of me is much higher than others.

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          Fair enough. I may have taken meaning that you didnt intend from your comment. I had assumed you were purposfully holding up traffic because you were teying to point out somebody else being dumb on the road.

          But totally fair enough.

  • @Furbag@lemmy.world
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    I’d just cut in front of her since she was so nice to leave a gap. The lesson will be learned one way or another.

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    I get it, but I’d be worried that someone approaching the queue would see the big gap and mistake it for the back of the line. Then, instead of zig zagging through from the back, they duck under the ropes in front of her. She’d have her face buried in her phone and wouldn’t notice. SO, this puts me in a position of having to watch out for such an occurrence - which stresses me out.

    She should just move the fuck up.

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      There’s presumably people behind her so you’d have to walk past other people in line to do that.

    • @rifugee@lemmy.world
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      Or the queue could get so long that it is no longer within the allotted space and is now obstructing other passengers. It’s true that it is the same for HER if she moves along or waits, but that is not necessarily true for everyone else.

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      I was going to post saying she isn’t wrong but you changed my opinion. Brb grabbing my pitchfork

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    A few years ago (when I commuted) I was driving in stop start traffic. I basically kept my car moving at tickover in 1st gear while the cars in from would pull about 8 car lengths ahead, stop, I’d creap up on them, then with luck traffic would start again and repeat. A chimp behind me couldn’t hack this and switched lane, passed me out then reentered my lane so they could get ahead of me and join the rest in stop and start routine

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      This is actually how you help cure traffic, as lots of the slow downs are due to lane changes. They cause stops, which ripple and persistent for hours.

      Enough people leaving a 3-4 car gap and not caring about people changing lanes in front of them turns “stop and go” into “go” in most traffic.

      Its also chill as fuck.

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        And saves gas. Too much over acceleration and sudden stopping will eat your tank supply. Coasting into a slow stop eases on the wasted gas due to over acceleration.

      • @Dozzi92@lemmy.world
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        Unfortunately doesn’t work, but it’s definitely the way to make traffic a little easier to deal with, and a little easier on your car.

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          Please explain to me how it “doesn’t work”.

          My understanding is that an object already in motion requires less force (gas) to stay in motion, compared to bringing an object at rest into motion. Why else would they need to differentiate city vs highway MPG?

          Are you familiar with the concept of hypermiling? If not check it out!

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            It doesn’t work because nobody else does it. I’m stuck in traffic with a bajillion people and 99% of them either brake or gas, no coast. In some ideas scenario where everyone does it, sure, but in real life it’s a no go. But I still do it.

            Hypermiling is silly.

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            Definitely a good way to go, but it doesn’t really improve throughput. If that gap ahead of you means not getting through an intersection before the light changes, it just backs up traffic more. That’s worthwhile to me when you consider things like higher fuel efficiency/less wear to drive a consistent speed vs stop and go, lower chance of collisions since you’re allowing a greater following distance.

            It’s actually similar to the till line issue. When you have multiple tills open with multiple lines, you can get people through faster than having a single line that breaks out to multiple tills. People prefer the second case though because it feels like the line moves faster and it feels more fair because nobody has to be the one that ends up in a line moving slower than the rest. Traffic would probably flow better if more people just let themselves follow the flow instead of fighting for a good position, but the effort spent finding ways to advance through traffic makes people feel like they’re making more progress.

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              Highway only, no lights. When lights are involved my principle is clear the intersection as efficiently and quickly as conditions allow.

    • @llii@feddit.de
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      That’s what I do! Most people only look at the car directly in front of them, but it’s better to look a few cars ahead and observe how the traffic is flowing. There is no need to accelerate if you need to break again in a few seconds.

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    It’s the same for her, not for everyone behind her. She’s a perfect example of thinking only of herself.

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      Its the same for everyone behind her as well, unless you forgot how lines work. Id rather stand still for 5 minutes and move 15 feet than 18 inchs every 30 seconds.

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        Have you never been to a busy airport before? The lines already fill the breezeway even when they move forward. What do you think is going to happen with the constant flow of people arriving at a line that doesn’t move? It’s going to quickly become a safety hazard.

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          Been to quite a few, only one that has ever been packed to the point it would matter would have been Dulles. I tend to go to smaller airports.

        • @DeriHunter@lemmy.world
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          This is exactly the mentality in the roads on my country “either way there’s traffic so I stop 10 meter from the car in front of me when on the traffic light” then less cars pass the light which means mor traffic waiting at the lights. People just do t get it but they only think about themselves

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          Technically, same until just before then, unless everybody responds very quickly and joins the line in order with no issue

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    Okay but in all fairness, psychologically it isn’t the same. Humans perceive time moving faster when they’re moving around in line or moving while waiting for something than they do when standing still while doing the same thing. So while technically time moves the same either way from an outside perspective, mentally if you aren’t moving periodically as the line moves you perceive the time as passing more slowly.